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Kendra wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 3:30 pm https:// mobile.twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1558875446103756801
Q: Are you concerned at all about national security breaches with those classified documents being at the Mar-a-Lago estate?

Russia Ron: I think Mar-a-Lago is a pretty safe place .. So, no, I’m not overly concerned about some Top Secret information being leaked out.
Ron ought to view some of those old James Bond movies, maybe he will change his mind about easy access. But then again, what will a British agent be against MaL security. :twisted:
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RTH10260 wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:56 pm
Kendra wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 3:30 pm https:// mobile.twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1558875446103756801
Q: Are you concerned at all about national security breaches with those classified documents being at the Mar-a-Lago estate?

Russia Ron: I think Mar-a-Lago is a pretty safe place .. So, no, I’m not overly concerned about some Top Secret information being leaked out.
Ron ought to view some of those old James Bond movies, maybe he will change his mind about easy access. But then again, what will a British agent be against MaL security. :twisted:
Storing documents of that level of secrecy at MaL is indefensible. Anyone attempting to defend it is disingenuous, stupid, or both. We’re past ignorant.
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raison de arizona wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:49 pm tfg is taking us down a very dangerous path re: FBI et all. His FBI Truth essay:
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The former guy was four years in office. What did he do to reform the agency? Except upheave the plans for them to relocate to better suited facilities? :cantlook:
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RTH10260 wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:52 pm
Dr. Ken wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 4:11 pm Why is John Solomon named as Trump's Presidential Records representative? As far as I know he hadn't served in any government position at the time and is nothing more than a right wing propagandist.

https:// twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1558884622208999424
I don't believe it really matters. This is about the public stuff. And it's millions of pages. An outsider will be looking for the needle in the haystack. The handyman to get boxes out of storage to the reading area and clean up after. You don't want high payed historians doing the grunt work :twisted:
I suspect Solomon was named because Trump had allowed him access to the records stored at Mar-a-Lago. The designation of Solomon and Kash Patel happened almost simultaneously with the DOJ subpoena for video surveillance records. My conjecture is that this was an attempt to provide some sort of cover for (or minimize the bad optics of) the prior access to the MAL records (many of which should have been provided to the Archives).
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Nice timeline from CNN:
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Q - How much trouble is your former boss in?

Jason Miller - I don’t think he’s in trouble at all. Pres Trump can declassify any of these documents when he chooses. And he had a standing order that anything he had removed to the WH was brought to Mar-a-Lago .. was declassified.
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I'd love to hear him say that under oath. :towel:
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I'd love to hear any of them say that under oath. It's a transparent post-hoc rationalization, never once raised during the 15-month period of negotiations. At least, I assume that is true and I assume FBI/DOJ have meticulous records documenting all conversations and correspondence.
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The former guy and his entourage have a strange concept of government secrets.

Aka "when I read it it becomes public domaine" :blackeye:

Also too, re "standing order" - the impotus ought to have waited the reclassification before sneaking documents into his WH residence, only then would the papers carry the correct classification markup. :blackeye:

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No, as Portia pointed out, in all the conversations over the months, and the retrieval of classified documents, and 45’s admission that they already picked up classified documents…. They could have (allegedly by their wrong logic) just said, “What classified documents? 45 declassified everything he touched.
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Presidential Power to Declassify Information, Explained
While it is legally irrelevant, former President Donald J. Trump claims he had declassified the top secret files the F.B.I. seized at his Florida residence.

By Charlie Savage
Aug. 14, 2022 Updated 11:31 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON — Former President Donald J. Trump’s claim that he had declassified all of the documents that the F.B.I. seized in the search of his Florida home last week — including those marked as top secret — has heightened interest in the scope of a president’s power to declassify information.

On Friday, Mr. Trump’s office claimed that when he was president, he had a “standing order” that materials “removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them,” according to a statement read on Fox News by a right-wing writer Mr. Trump has designated as one of his representatives to the National Archives.

Apart from whether there is any evidence that such an order actually existed, the notion has been greeted with disdain by national security legal specialists. Glenn S. Gerstell, the top lawyer for the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020, pronounced the idea that whatever Mr. Trump happened to take upstairs each evening automatically became declassified — without logging what it was and notifying the agencies that used that information — “preposterous.”

The claim is also irrelevant to Mr. Trump’s potential troubles over the document matter, because none of the three criminal laws cited in a search warrant as the basis of the investigation depend on whether documents contain classified information.

Still, the novel claim is striking. Here is a closer look at what a president can and cannot do when it comes to removing protections for government secrets.



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/us/p ... ments.html
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Why do we not run a full scale security clearance background check on politicians before handing over the keys? Because they are "elected"? Seems like a HUGE lapse in security.
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it’s time for Bush(W), Clinton, Obama, Biden (who else?) to clearly state what nonsense is being spewed on these related topics.
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This whole business of Donald Trump flouting national security laws brings to mind an old story about a Navy submariner who took photos of the nuclear missile controls in his submarine and then tried to conceal the act by throwing his phone in a dumpster.

His name was Kristian Saucier, and he was pardoned by Donald Trump. I think it was some sort of revenge for Hillary Clinton not being prosecuted for emails.

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Did the Don collect this material for compromat, or to sell, or as his perceived leverage? Personally, I think he took the shit because that's what he always does. Takes shit.
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neonzx wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:06 pm Why do we not run a full scale security clearance background check on politicians before handing over the keys? Because they are "elected"? Seems like a HUGE lapse in security.
Because if the US electors want to put someone into the Presidency who is willing to sellout or destroy the US - that is how it is.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 995c55ae94
A former FBI and CIA official predicted there could be another "catastrophic event" like January 6.
Phil Mudd said threats against law enforcement resemble the period leading up to the Capitol attack.
Threats have escalated as Republicans lash out against the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago.
A former official who served in the FBI and CIA said the fallout from the Mar-a-Lago raid resembles the events that led up to the January 6 attack on the Capitol — and predicted there could be another "catastrophic event."

Phil Mudd, now a CNN counterterrorism analyst, previously worked for the CIA as an analyst specializing in South Asia and the Middle East. He later served as the first-ever deputy directer of the FBI's National Security Branch.

Mudd appeared on CNN Sunday to discuss the aftermath of the unprecedented FBI raid on former President Donald Trump's residence. Federal officials said violent threats to law enforcement spiked after the raid. Some Republican lawmakers, including Trump, have railed against the FBI and baselessly suggested the agency could target regular citizens next.
I saw that interview, always a treat to see Mudd coming on air. Not mentioned in the article (unless I missed it), but Mudd mentioned that he's received at least one threat since some comments he'd made earlier on the MAL search. Said it's kind of off-putting, he's been retired for twelve years and now he's got to watch more carefully when he goes out. Paraphrasing, since it's been a few hours since I watched and :oldlady: memories are poor.
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I dealt with a lot of classified documents during my active duty and DoD civilian days, mostly while overseas. This is an excellent and accurate thread regarding classified material.

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Danraft wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:08 pm it’s time for Bush(W), Clinton, Obama, Biden (who else?) to clearly state what nonsense is being spewed on these related topics.
Carter, but I assume he's too ill or should be taking it easy.
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poplove wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:42 pm I dealt with a lot of classified documents during my active duty and DoD civilian days, mostly while overseas. This is an excellent and accurate thread regarding classified material.

https:// twitter.com/OfficeBob/status/1558957669020422144
Thank you, that was worth the read.
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poplove wrote: Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:42 pm I dealt with a lot of classified documents during my active duty and DoD civilian days, mostly while overseas. This is an excellent and accurate thread regarding classified material.

https:// twitter.com/OfficeBob/status/1558957669020422144
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A friend with classified document experience has given me permission to post her comments here, and so...a thread:

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Nice twitter thread adding details to the NYT article upthread.


Obviously a certain doubly impotus declared that those rules only apply to the plebs and MaL is excluded from them too.. :doh:
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I put forth this theory in a Fogbow virtual meetup a month or two ago, when I was exploring the implications of using the terminology of viral evolution and the symbiotic relationship of cognitive beings like humans have with information, that the information bits that get optimized for spreading (infecting belief systems) follow motif based rules.

Inherent in the analysis was that the Twitterverse is the most useful model to consider this.

Knowing that the right wing disinformation machine on Twitter (and other similar platforms) seems to be consciously manipulated and that the apparent end result is that, in the opinion of many studies, seem to have “jumped the shark”, that it is possible that the GOP (in general somewhat) has mistakenly adopted the position that what happens on Twitter (and similar, even more biased sites) is reflective of the general sentiment of the people.

They don’t seem to grasp the concept of selection bias and information bubbles.

This has led to unprecedented political performance theater wherein they confuse getting approval( in the form of Twitter likes and shares) on these platforms with what is the real zeitgeist of the times. So, the rabid nonsense of “own the libs” etc has fragmented like a grenade into other outlandish performances.

I also will add, that the Newt Gingrich Rule, that every time one refers to a Democrat, it must be prefaced with a negative connotation adjective, has had some impact. Just not as much as they(the GOP) believe.

In short, the midterms could well (hopefully) elect many Democrats because they are misplaying their hands because of false perceptions.
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