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fierceredpanda wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:03 am
bill_g wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:39 am Cancer doesn't stop him from rioting in DC, but it does limit his ability to spend time in jail.

Got it. I had no idea cancer was selective like that. Such an insidious disease. :bored:
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I suspect Bill is dubious about his health claims, although we’ll see.
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It's only the flu anyway, he's in no danger, or he would have worn a mask. 8-)
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fierceredpanda wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:03 am
bill_g wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:39 am Cancer doesn't stop him from rioting in DC, but it does limit his ability to spend time in jail.

Got it. I had no idea cancer was selective like that. Such an insidious disease. :bored:
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The fact that he says he has cancer, and yet still decided to be an insurrectionist (along with his girlfriend--did she get herself arrested or perhaps fired from her job?), just goes to show that these people REALLY didn't think that there would be any consequences for their seditionist actions. I imagine that they really are shocked that they are being called to account in even the slightest fashion.
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Azastan wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:43 am
fierceredpanda wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:03 am
bill_g wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:39 am Cancer doesn't stop him from rioting in DC, but it does limit his ability to spend time in jail.

Got it. I had no idea cancer was selective like that. Such an insidious disease. :bored:
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The fact that he says he has cancer, and yet still decided to be an insurrectionist (along with his girlfriend--did she get herself arrested or perhaps fired from her job?), just goes to show that these people REALLY didn't think that there would be any consequences for their seditionist actions. I imagine that they really are shocked that they are being called to account in even the slightest fashion.
Yes. Their President called upon them, said he’d lead the charge, promptly abandoned them, and so they did their DUTY to the President and country.

Telling you right now. If Joe asks me to do something like this — not gonna happen.
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pipistrelle wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:10 am
Telling you right now. If Joe asks me to do something like this — not gonna happen.
I like Joe but yea wouldn’t do it either, even before I retired from the military
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pipistrelle wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:10 am
Azastan wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:43 am
fierceredpanda wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:03 am
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The fact that he says he has cancer, and yet still decided to be an insurrectionist (along with his girlfriend--did she get herself arrested or perhaps fired from her job?), just goes to show that these people REALLY didn't think that there would be any consequences for their seditionist actions. I imagine that they really are shocked that they are being called to account in even the slightest fashion.
Yes. Their President called upon them, said he’d lead the charge, promptly abandoned them, and so they did their DUTY to the President and country.

Telling you right now. If Joe asks me to do something like this — not gonna happen.
Fortunately, Joe would never ask that. Not in a million years.

He might ask you to write to your Congresscritter or Senator, but that's the way its supposed to be done.

Many of those arrested still feel that they did nothing wrong. A few have expressed remorse and said, in effect, "I don't know what I was thinking", but that may just be a ploy for leniency.
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fierceredpanda wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:03 am
bill_g wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:39 am Cancer doesn't stop him from rioting in DC, but it does limit his ability to spend time in jail.

Got it. I had no idea cancer was selective like that. Such an insidious disease. :bored:
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Understood, and thank you. I should add his concerns about CV19 were not evident in the photos taken Jan 6. He seemed quite at ease in unmanaged crowds.
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I bet he didn’t give a crap about any of the prisoners who contracted Covid prior to his incarceration.
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Slim Cognito wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:04 am I bet he didn’t give a crap about any of the prisoners who contracted Covid prior to his incarceration.
Or about anyone else, period.
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noblepa wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:23 am
A few have expressed remorse and said, in effect, "I don't know what I was thinking", but that may just be a ploy for leniency.
Leniency, and “Oooops, I lost my CEO job at the marketing company I founded.”
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A founding member of the Oath Keepers arrested in the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol has agreed to plead guilty and cooperate against others in the case — the first defendant to potentially flip in the sprawling domestic terrorism investigation that has led to charges against more than 400 people.

The scheduled plea comes exactly 100 days after Jon Ryan Schaffer and hundreds of other supporters of former president Donald Trump allegedly stormed the Capitol hoping to prevent Joe Biden from being confirmed as the next president. Prosecutors hope Schaffer’s plea spurs others to provide additional evidence in hopes of avoiding long prison sentences.

The plea marks a new stage in the historic investigation, as prosecutors seek to work up the chain of defendants to gather evidence and better understand the full scope of any planning and organizing of the violence — particularly among groups like the far-right Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys. Dozens of members from both groups appeared to act in concert to storm the building, prosecutors have alleged.
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Jon Ryan Schaffer, the Oath Keeper who is pleading guilty today in DC, will be sponsored for Witness Protection, the judge just said.

Perhaps the most interesting thing about Schaffer's cooperation deal is that the government WANTED it made public. They didn't request a sealed courtroom even after Judge Mehta gave them the chance.
They wanted someone (surely in the Oath Keepers) to know.
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Shaffer is pleading guilty to one count of Obstruction of an Official Proceeding and one count of Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon.
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Volkonski wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:46 pm

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Jon Ryan Schaffer, the Oath Keeper who is pleading guilty today in DC, will be sponsored for Witness Protection, the judge just said.

Perhaps the most interesting thing about Schaffer's cooperation deal is that the government WANTED it made public. They didn't request a sealed courtroom even after Judge Mehta gave them the chance.
They wanted someone (surely in the Oath Keepers) to know.
What strikes me as odd is the judge offering to seal the courtroom. Trials are supposed to be public, and I can’t imagine the government having good cause to seal the courtroom.
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Maybenaut wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:54 pm
What strikes me as odd is the judge offering to seal the courtroom. Trials are supposed to be public, and I can’t imagine the government having good cause to seal the courtroom.

Probably the same reason that he is being offered the Witness Protection Program; fear of reprisal by fellow Oath Keepers or Proud Boys.
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This isn’t a trial, though, is it?
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DOJ Press Release re Schaffer
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Lifetime Founding Member of the Oath Keepers Pleads Guilty to Breaching Capitol on Jan. 6 to Obstruct Congressional Proceeding

WASHINGTON – Jon Schaffer, 53, of Columbus, Indiana, today admitted that he breached the Capitol on January 6, 2021, wearing a tactical vest and armed with bear repellent, and pleaded guilty to unlawfully entering the U.S. Capitol to obstruct Congress’ certification of the U.S. presidential election results.

"On this 100th day since the horrific January 6 assault on the United States Capitol, Oath Keepers member Jon Schaffer has pleaded guilty to multiple felonies, including for breaching the Capitol while wearing a tactical vest and armed with bear spray, with the intent to interfere with Congress’ certification of the Electoral College results," said Acting Deputy Attorney General John P. Carlin. "The FBI has made an average of more than four arrests a day, seven days a week since January 6th. I commend the hundreds of special agents, prosecutors and support staff that have worked tirelessly for the last hundred days to bring those who committed criminal acts to justice."

"The defendant in this case admits forcing his way into the U.S. Capitol on January 6 for the express purpose of stopping or delaying congressional proceedings essential to our democratic process. These actions are disgraceful and unacceptable" said FBI Deputy Director Paul M. Abbate. "The FBI and our partners will continue to utilize all available authorities to aggressively investigate, pursue and hold accountable those who committed acts of violence or otherwise violated the rule of law that day."

In his plea agreement, Schaffer acknowledged he is a founding lifetime member of the Oath Keepers, a large but loosely organized collection of individuals, some of whom are associated with militias.

In his plea agreement, Schaffer also acknowledged that on January 6, 2021 he was in Washington to attend the “Stop the Steal” rally at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C. to protest the results of the presidential election, which he believed were fraudulent. Schaffer wore a tactical vest and carried bear spray, a dangerous weapon and chemical irritant used to ward off bears. When the rally finished, Schaffer joined a large crowd that marched from the Ellipse to the Capitol, where a joint session of Congress, presided over by Vice President Michael Pence, was in session to certify the electoral college vote results. Shortly after 2:00 p.m., members of the mob forced entry into the Capitol building, disrupting the joint session and causing members of Congress and the Vice President to be evacuated from the House and Senate chambers.

In his plea agreement, Schaffer admitted that after arriving on Capitol grounds, he walked past barriers intended to restrict access to the public and to a set of locked doors on the Capitol’s west side. At approximately 2:40 PM, Schaffer positioned himself at the front of a crowd that broke open a set of doors being guarded by four U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) officers wearing riot gear. Schaffer admitted to being among the first individuals to push past the damaged doors and into the Capitol building, forcing officers to retreat. Schaffer and others advanced toward five or six backpedaling USCP officers while members of the mob swelled inside of the Capitol and overwhelmed the officers. The officers ultimately deployed a chemical irritant to disperse the mob. Schaffer was among the people who were sprayed in the face, after which exited while holding his own bear spray in his hands.

Schaffer pleaded guilty to a criminal information charging him with obstruction of an official proceeding and entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon. Combined, he faces up to 30 years in prison if convicted. The Honorable Amit P. Mehta accepted Schaffer’s guilty plea.

Anyone with tips can call 1-800-CALL-FBI (800-225-5324) or visit tips.fbi.gov.

The charges contained in the complaint are allegations. The defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

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What is a "security officer" vs LE? Are we talking mall-cop?
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neonzx wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:28 pm What is a "security officer" vs LE? Are we talking mall-cop?
Probably a government security position. Erm.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ju ... -ntp-feeds

Accused Capital insurrectionist Rachel Powell has been seen wearing a mesh mask full of holes, that judge Royce Lamberth thinks mocks the conditions imposed when she was granted bail. Specifically, her bail agreement ordered that she wear a mask whenever she left home.

I think that she is just being childish and saying "See, I'm wearing a mask", even though the "mask" has no hope of preventing the spread of disease. I suspect that the judge feels the same way.
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noblepa wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:59 pm https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ju ... -ntp-feeds

Accused Capital insurrectionist Rachel Powell has been seen wearing a mesh mask full of holes, that judge Royce Lamberth thinks mocks the conditions imposed when she was granted bail. Specifically, her bail agreement ordered that she wear a mask whenever she left home.

I think that she is just being childish and saying "See, I'm wearing a mask", even though the "mask" has no hope of preventing the spread of disease. I suspect that the judge feels the same way.
Pictured here in her “mask” smirking. https://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 066#p11066
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pipistrelle wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:43 pm This isn’t a trial, though, is it?
Yes, it is.
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pipistrelle wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:43 pm This isn’t a trial, though, is it?
All court proceedings are presumed to be open; closing them requires a good cause.

Having said that, I'm a little surprised that the prosecutor did even go through the motions to argue that a closed proceeding was necessary to protect ongoing investigations.

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noblepa wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:59 pm I think that she is just being childish and saying "See, I'm wearing a mask", even though the "mask" has no hope of preventing the spread of disease. I suspect that the judge feels the same way.
Lamberth (yes, that Lamberth) seems to agree; the OSC:
D.D.C. wrote:Defendant's decision to appear in a video wearing a mask with holes in it at work mocks compliance with the Court's Order setting as a condition of pre-trial release that she "wear a mask whenever she leaves her residence." . . . . No reasonable person could think that defendant's "mask" complied with that condition, which Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell imposed to ensure that defendant "would not pose a risk to the health and safety of the community when she left her house." . . .

The Court does not take defendant's willingness to flout the Court's Order lightly. When a defendant refuses to comply with a condition of pre-trial release, the Bail Reform Act authorizes the Court to consider revoking pre-trial release, ordering the defendant detained pending trial, or holding the defendant in contempt of court. . . . Accordingly, the Court directs defendant to show cause in writing, no later than ten (10) days from this date, why the Court should not revoke her pre-trial release, order her detained pending trial, or hold her in contempt.
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Additionally, the Court is concerned with defense counsel's apparent reaction to defendant's non-compliance. When Pre-Trial Services asked defendant where the mask was, defendant responded that she "threw it away per her attorney's advisement.". . . In defendant's show-cause filing, defense counsel shall include an explanation for his alleged instruction to his client to dispose of evidence of her non-compliance with a Court ordered condition of pre-trial release.
A two-fer: Dumb defendant and dumb defense counsel.
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