TX Anti-Abortion Law

[Slim Cognito]

In one of our threads, it was noted that a so-called crisis center was advising women they could carry ectopic pregnancies to term if they were “very careful.” When somebody dies, who gets to sue whom?

[bill_g]

3,2,1 ... do your own research!!!!

[neeneko]

In one of our threads, it was noted that a so-called crisis center was advising women they could carry ectopic pregnancies to term if they were “very careful.” When somebody dies, who gets to sue whom?

There really needs to be some kind of legal consequence for taking state money to commit blatant fraud.

[pipistrelle]

Ectopic shouldn’t be called “pregnancy” if they’re not viable. If they’re called cell misplacement or a better medical term, then perhaps they could be treated appropriately without abortion being a question. Thank you, SCOTUS, for overreaching into medical decisions and treatments.

[Jim]

Debbie Reynolds' Emotional Abortion Story Resurfaces: 'The Baby Died Inside of Me' at 7 Months
"In those days there were no abortions allowed," Debbie Reynolds tells Joan Rivers in the 1989 clip, which resurfaced after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last week

Debbie Reynolds opened up about her "dangerous" abortion experience in the 1960s.

In the video clip from 1989, the legendary actress — who passed away in 2016 — told Joan Rivers that doctors initially refused her an abortion in the 1960s because it was against the law. The vintage clip resurfaced after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last week.

"I had Carrie and Todd [Fisher] and I wanted to have two other children. I got pregnant, I was very lucky, in that sense, right away," she shared of growing her family with husband Eddie Fisher. "I was pregnant seven months and the baby died inside of me but I didn't know it. It just sorta shrunk down a little bit."

She continued, "And in those days, there were no abortions allowed, whether you were ill, whether you were raped, whether the child died, which is disgusting to think there is those laws."

Reynolds was "lucky enough" to get pregnant again after a number of months; however, she suffered the same experience.

"The same thing happened. Second baby dies, just like that. And this time, I said, 'I don't want a note from Congress. I don't want a note from any of you. You are taking this baby now because I don't want to have to go through what I had to go through before," she revealed. "And they did and the law was still in existence that couldn't be but because of knowing that they almost allowed me to die because of that silly law."

[Jim]

Who Will Help Care for Texas' Post-Roe Babies?

Texas is one of the most dangerous states in the nation to have a baby. The state’s maternal mortality rate is one of the worst in the country, with Black women making up a disproportionate share of deaths. The state’s infant mortality rate, at more than 5 deaths per 1,000 births in 2020, translates into nearly 2,000 infant deaths annually.

[tek]

Who Will Help Care for Texas' Post-Roe Babies?

They don't care. After the kid pops out it ain't their problem.

[Jim]

Who Will Help Care for Texas' Post-Roe Babies?

They don't care. After the kid pops out it ain't their problem.

And there should be wall-to-wall commercials this election season on how the pubs choose the possibility of life over the living, breathing humans in their selection of laws. Opposite of God.

[Volkonski]

[MN-Skeptic]

For many women, having an abortion is the financially wise thing to do. Now when they're forced to bear children which will push them deeper into poverty, the Republicans will point to them and berate them for having children they cannot afford. And call them welfare queens.

The VERY best way to reduce abortions is by making birth control available and affordable, and by improving the economy for poor and middle class women, including financial assistance and education programs when necessary. Unfortunately, Republicans don't want to put any money towards helping anyone other than themselves and those already well-to-do. And that makes the whole country poorer as a result.

[sugar magnolia]

And all those pregnant women who don't want their child will likely forego the prenatal care and the diet and abstinence that a healthy pregnancy and baby require, even if they aren't actively trying to harm the fetus, so the states will be stuck with an influx of FAS babies, and preemies who require life long care and children who were neglected in utero who will be "challenged" in ways we don't even know yet. Their chances of growing into functioning, contributing adults are pretty low. And we're facing an entire generation of them.

[Ben-Prime]

And all those pregnant women who don't want their child will likely forego the prenatal care and the diet and abstinence that a healthy pregnancy and baby require, even if they aren't actively trying to harm the fetus, so the states will be stuck with an influx of FAS babies, and preemies who require life long care and children who were neglected in utero who will be "challenged" in ways we don't even know yet. Their chances of growing into functioning, contributing adults are pretty low. And we're facing an entire generation of them.

But, I mean, the second they commit a crime, they become laborers in the state prison system, so problem solved. /s

[Azastan]

Why would the anti-abortionists and their anti-abortion non-profits be 'unprepared' for this coming onslaught of unwanted babies? They have been waiting for this moment, and NOW they are unprepared?

Someone needs to take care of these babies, let it be the people who so stridently crusaded against abortions.

That's like pet owners who wake up on 3 July and frantically call their veterinarians for a tranquilizer prescription for their dogs because 'fireworks'.

[AndyinPA]

I still can't get past the thought that this is a medical issue, as is contraception. I know I could go look up the history of abortion, but right now I'm too distracted with all the PT and OT and doctors' appointments for the husband to keep my head on straight. I am wondering, though, if the change from midwives to male medical doctors made a difference.

I do know, though, that it was common and thought of as just a women's issue at the time of the writing of the Constitution, in spite of Clarence Thomas' reading (or lack thereof) of history.

One other thing that's driving me nuts is the evangelicals' and I guess Catholics' pick-and-choose decisions on what they will or will not agree with in the Bible. They completely ignore the Old Testament view that the woman's life comes first, and the baby is not a full human being until it takes its first breath. But they really latch onto the view of homosexuality in the Old Testament, although my understanding is that the Jewish reading of this is very nuanced, which is why they have relatively a more modern view of homosexuality. Abortion--ignore the Old Testament; homosexuality--EVIL. I also understand this varies on the depending on the denomination.

[RTH10260]

Why would the anti-abortionists and their anti-abortion non-profits be 'unprepared' for this coming onslaught of unwanted babies? They have been waiting for this moment, and NOW they are unprepared?

Someone needs to take care of these babies, let it be the people who so stridently crusaded against abortions.

That's like pet owners who wake up on 3 July and frantically call their veterinarians for a tranquilizer prescription for their dogs because 'fireworks'.

Think of all those white Chistian families that are waiting to adopt the perfect white baby. The are queuing up on the steps of the hospitals to tear the baby out of the arms of the nurses....


tsk tsk tsk - now don't come and spoil the story by mentioning melanin and sharia and meth and alcohol and ......

[Slim Cognito]

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... ecommended

Google says it will delete location history for visits to abortion clinics, medical sites

[Azastan]

Think of all those white Chistian families that are waiting to adopt the perfect white baby. The are queuing up on the steps of the hospitals to tear the baby out of the arms of the nurses....


tsk tsk tsk - now don't come and spoil the story by mentioning melanin and sharia and meth and alcohol and ......

There are at least 400,000 children in foster homes, waiting to be adopted. I have seen people with the gall to say that they wouldn't want to adopt a child with 'baggage', they only want a baby. They don't have the nerve to say 'I want a perfect little white baby', though.

[Ben-Prime]

I still can't get past the thought that this is a medical issue, as is contraception.

Next up: a SCOTUS ruling which says that not only is euthenasia still banned, but so is simply pulling the plug -- all individuals must be kept on all necessary life support until they die despite that life support, because God has a plan. Also, the state can't pay for that care, because that'd be socialism.

[Ben-Prime]

Think of all those white Chistian families that are waiting to adopt the perfect white baby. The are queuing up on the steps of the hospitals to tear the baby out of the arms of the nurses....


tsk tsk tsk - now don't come and spoil the story by mentioning melanin and sharia and meth and alcohol and ......

There are at least 400,000 children in foster homes, waiting to be adopted. I have seen people with the gall to say that they wouldn't want to adopt a child with 'baggage', they only want a baby. They don't have the nerve to say 'I want a perfect little white baby', though.

This is the definitive reason that I have a multi-racial cousin. When I was born, my mother named her oldest first cousin (10 years younger than my grandma, so about 14 years older than my mom) as my godmother. Cousin Lee was a 'spinster' librarian in Baltimore, single in her mid-to-late-30s, and the story goes that holding me so much on back and forth visits between NYC and Baltimore/D.C. made her maternal instinct kick in, but since actually getting pregnant without a husband in 1970-1971 would have cost her her career, she adopted. Of course, being a single mother in the Baltimore/D.C. area, all she could get permission to adopt were the babies that nobody else wanted. Hence, my *second* best friend in life (my uncle, who was my godfather, was my first) was my Cousin Julie. On family vacations until I was about 8 or 9, we were inseparable. Our grandparents retired to the same Florida condo complex (the one where I live now when home in Florida, though around the corner) and building, literally just two floors and a corner breezeway apart.

I had my first serious playground fight defending her when someone called her the N-word, and the first time I backtalked with malice (as opposed to it being "shit kids say") to an adult was to tell some nosy 1970s pre-Karen that the young girl of color in the condo complex pool with me while we were visiting our grandparents in Florida that, no, she wasn't a cleaning lady's kid sneaking into the pool, she was my cousin, our grandparents were the Baumans and Tanens and lived in Building 26, and she could go ask them, but we were not leaving the pool. She knew my grandmother and tried to walk it back by lecturing me about my tone, and I stood firm that she was accusing my cousin of being bad when my cousin did nothing wrong.

Postscript: Though we would drift apart for a few decades, my being in D.C. for recruitment and training allowed us to connect back. She followed in the family tradition of education & larnin' and is a Vice Principal. Lee hitting 90 this past year, she retired long ago, but towards the end of her career, left the public sector as a corporate librarian, something about maintaining the archives of formulas and other IP information for Revlon or one of the other big cosmetic companies, which I always thought was effin' cool. Cousin Lee and Cousin Julie were the last relatives with whom I spent time before heading off to Dhaka -- we went for a Sunday brunch with Julie's own daughter, named for *my* late Grandpa (since he was Lee and Julie's favorite uncle, and his name has an easy unisex version).

Bringing it back on topic: Yes, this is absolutely, explicitly the point. Literally as far back as I can remember.

[Ben-Prime]

This is the definitive reason that I have a multi-racial cousin.

Come to think of it, and still tangentially on topic given what else Texas would love to squelch, that side of the family (my maternal grandmother's sisters and their descendents) was also the reason I had the first out-of-the-closet lesbian in the family that anyone knew of, when one of my Mom's other maternal first cousins came out of the closet and divorced her husband in the late 70s after producing two kids with him.

This might explain why I a) identified so strongly as left-libertarian and b) registered as an actual Libertarian, as soon as I was a teenager and politically aware -- in the late 1980s, while (D) folks paid more lip service than (R) folks, it didn't seem like either of the major political parties was particularly good on the issues that touched the existence of my weird, scattered family. Now I realize I can have the former beliefs while flipping the bird to the right-libertarian anarcho-capitalist circle-jerk-fest that has become the LP, and be my own thing.

Obligatory "Fuck Texas" right here. With apologies to those who have family there. I have kin there, too, and I am trying to get them to either step up and fight or cut their losses.

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

For many women, having an abortion is the financially wise thing to do. Now when they're forced to bear children which will push them deeper into poverty, the Republicans will point to them and berate them for having children they cannot afford. And call them welfare queens.

The VERY best way to reduce abortions is by making birth control available and affordable, and by improving the economy for poor and middle class women, including financial assistance and education programs when necessary. Unfortunately, Republicans don't want to put any money towards helping anyone other than themselves and those already well-to-do. And that makes the whole country poorer as a result.

[RTH10260]

I still can't get past the thought that this is a medical issue, as is contraception.

Next up: a SCOTUS ruling which says that not only is euthenasia still banned, but so is simply pulling the plug -- all individuals must be kept on all necessary life support until they die despite that life support, because God has a plan. Also, the state can't pay for that care, because that'd be socialism.

Sounds like a plan. Similar to the financial industry in the last crash, hospitals would offload and transfer patients pending end of life into specialized organizations and let those units go bancrupt. Who will care for all the "bad assets" they still had in their books or wards? Who will blame the utilities who pull the plug for not paying the bills? Who to blame for the failing life support equipement that received no maintenance?

[Uninformed]

“Roe v Wade: Abortion pills a new front in culture wars”:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61973510

“But increasingly, anti-abortion campaigners have promoted claims that abortion medication - cast as "chemical abortion" - is ineffective and dangerous.
"These drugs have caused injury, infertility, death," Ms Hawkins said. "Every single abortion ends one life, but chemical abortion is going to start ending two lives and they [pro-choice campaigners] are going to be responsible for it."
The FDA has reported a total of 26 deaths associated with mifepristone since it was approved - a rate of about 0.65 deaths per 100,000 medication abortions. For comparison, the death rate associated with aspirin is about 15.3 deaths per 100,000 aspirin users.”

Bugger, this was meant to be in the “Roe” topic.