TS/Hurricane Dorian -- Puerto Rico, Bahamas, Florida, Carolinas (Not Alabama, Donald.)

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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:20 pm

The remnants are killing us over here. The high pressure that kept it towards the east is also giving us temps in the high 90s with sweat factors in the 108-112 range, and humidity from around 45-70% with zero rain predicted. Central a/c, ceiling fan, desk fan, window unit and funeral fan in a 140 sf room and I'm still sweating. The weather guy said a "cool front" was moving in early next week with highs in the high 80s and low 90s. My husband and I literally laughed out loud that low 90s is a "cool front."

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Post by Whatever4 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:32 am

Almost completely missed us in Coastal Maine, just some minor rain. But we do have a few extra cruise ships in town, diverted from somewhere. We expect a couple more in the next few days.
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Post by Kendra » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:49 am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/ ... 6ts8b0heat
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s decision to back President Trump instead of its own scientists on the question of whether Alabama was at significant risk from Hurricane Dorian has led to widespread outrage in the broader weather community.

Weather forecasters inside and outside the government and former leaders of NOAA and the National Weather Service have spoken out against the NOAA action.

Late Friday afternoon, NOAA released a statement siding with Trump’s Sept. 1 assertion that Alabama “would most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated” by Hurricane Dorian, even after its own National Weather Service office in Birmingham had accurately tweeted: "Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian.”

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Post by Kendra » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:58 am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... mXPWKcXyI0
Nearly a week before the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration publicly backed President Trump over its own scientists, a top NOAA official warned its staff against contradicting the president.

In an agencywide directive sent Sept. 1 to National Weather Service personnel, hours after Trump asserted, with no evidence, that Alabama “would most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated,” staff was told to “only stick with official National Hurricane Center forecasts if questions arise from some national level social media posts which hit the news this afternoon.”

They were also told not to “provide any opinion,” according to a copy of the email obtained by The Washington Post.

A NOAA meteorologist who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution said the note, understood internally to be referring to Trump, came after the National Weather Service office in Birmingham contradicted Trump by tweeting Alabama would “NOT see any impacts from the hurricane.”

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Kendra wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:58 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... mXPWKcXyI0
Nearly a week before the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration publicly backed President Trump over its own scientists, a top NOAA official warned its staff against contradicting the president.

In an agencywide directive sent Sept. 1 to National Weather Service personnel, hours after Trump asserted, with no evidence, that Alabama “would most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated,” staff was told to “only stick with official National Hurricane Center forecasts if questions arise from some national level social media posts which hit the news this afternoon.”

They were also told not to “provide any opinion,” according to a copy of the email obtained by The Washington Post.

A NOAA meteorologist who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution said the note, understood internally to be referring to Trump, came after the National Weather Service office in Birmingham contradicted Trump by tweeting Alabama would “NOT see any impacts from the hurricane.”
This explains it all:
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Post by Volkonski » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:25 am

Incredible. :madguy: :madguy: :madguy:
Kendra wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:58 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... mXPWKcXyI0
Nearly a week before the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration publicly backed President Trump over its own scientists, a top NOAA official warned its staff against contradicting the president.

In an agencywide directive sent Sept. 1 to National Weather Service personnel, hours after Trump asserted, with no evidence, that Alabama “would most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated,” staff was told to “only stick with official National Hurricane Center forecasts if questions arise from some national level social media posts which hit the news this afternoon.”

They were also told not to “provide any opinion,” according to a copy of the email obtained by The Washington Post.

A NOAA meteorologist who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution said the note, understood internally to be referring to Trump, came after the National Weather Service office in Birmingham contradicted Trump by tweeting Alabama would “NOT see any impacts from the hurricane.”
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Post by Kendra » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:33 am

Thanks Neon, very interesting. Oh, and just noted on MSNBC that NOAA is under the Department of Commerce, Wilbur Ross.

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Post by Jeffrey » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:47 pm



Yeah that's nice.

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Post by Volkonski » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:02 am

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Hurricane Dorian has left nearly 70,000 Bahamians homeless and hundreds more are desperately looking for a way out. Over the weekend, as evacuations continue, hundreds of Bahamians were told to get off a ferry headed to the US.
https://cnn.it/2kCl6J0
In a social media video taken aboard a ferry boat leaving the Bahamas, posted on Twitter by CNN affiliate WSVN reporter Brian Entin, an unidentified person announces via a loudspeaker that anyone traveling to the Unites States without a visa must disembark.

Entin told CNN he was on a Balearia ferry from Freeport to Fort Lauderdale when the announcement was made Sunday. His video shows families with children disembarking the vessel. One woman told Entin that as many as 130 people left the ferry after the announcement.

:snippity:

"Everyone who arrives to the United States from another country must present themselves to a CBP officer for inspection at an official CBP Port of Entry. All person must possess valid identity and travel documents," the agency said. "CBP has a Preclearance operation in Nassau. CBP is committed to carrying out our duties with professionalism and efficiency -- facilitating lawful international travel and trade."

On its website, CBP says visas are not required for Bahamian residents flying into the US from the Bahamas if they also meet other criteria, including possessing a valid passport or travel documents, having no criminal record and carrying a police certificate issued within the past six months.
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Post by Slim Cognito » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:20 am

Volkonski wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:02 am
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Hurricane Dorian has left nearly 70,000 Bahamians homeless and hundreds more are desperately looking for a way out. Over the weekend, as evacuations continue, hundreds of Bahamians were told to get off a ferry headed to the US.
https://cnn.it/2kCl6J0
Shame on those Bahamians who didn't think to strap the necessary paperwork to their bodies as they swam for their lives through a sea of drowned bodies.
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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:43 am

Slim Cognito wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:20 am
Volkonski wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:02 am
New Day
@NewDay
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Hurricane Dorian has left nearly 70,000 Bahamians homeless and hundreds more are desperately looking for a way out. Over the weekend, as evacuations continue, hundreds of Bahamians were told to get off a ferry headed to the US.
https://cnn.it/2kCl6J0
Shame on those Bahamians who didn't think to strap the necessary paperwork to their bodies as they swam for their lives through a sea of drowned bodies.
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Oh, and fuck donald trump.
:twisted: Extraordinary measures like national emergencies are only needed to build border walls, not to direct CBP to operate a refugee camp for hurricane victims, just illegal entries detention camps. Flexibility is not known to dotus. Hurricane victims can queue up in Nassau for US visa applications. How fast can the US authorities handle tens of thousand of requests? Will they finish prior the next hurricane hits?

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Post by Kendra » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:35 am

I forget where I saw it, but now CBP is denying they had anything to do with denying those folks from heading towards the US.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/09/world/ba ... index.html
'Grand Bahama right now is dead': A firsthand look at Dorian's destruction

Three CNN journalists recount what it was like to ride out the storm and emerge to its aftermath
I was hoping they'd do something to let us look inside their storm coverage. On one of his reports, the lead reporter noted that the folks that let them stay in their home liked the generator they brought with them more than the reporter/staff :bighug:

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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:14 am

Kendra wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:35 am
I forget where I saw it, but now CBP is denying they had anything to do with denying those folks from heading towards the US.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/09/world/ba ... index.html
'Grand Bahama right now is dead': A firsthand look at Dorian's destruction

Three CNN journalists recount what it was like to ride out the storm and emerge to its aftermath
I was hoping they'd do something to let us look inside their storm coverage. On one of his reports, the lead reporter noted that the folks that let them stay in their home liked the generator they brought with them more than the reporter/staff :bighug:
It's very well possible that it was not a new CBP reminder but the ship's captain acting on existing regulations and company policies. Without a waiver he probably is personally liable for bringing "illegals" to US shores and he and his company may get blacklisted by US authorities. This administration and CBP ought to have clarified their current handling of Bermuda citizen in the hurricane relief.

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Post by Volkonski » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:40 pm

Kendra wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:33 am
Thanks Neon, very interesting. Oh, and just noted on MSNBC that NOAA is under the Department of Commerce, Wilbur Ross.
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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:20 pm

more than one moron in this administration.
more dementia in this administration.




yeah --- really #MAGA :cantlook:

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Post by much ado » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:23 pm

Yeah, several things to be outraged about, but my feeling is that Trump is digging his own grave among moderate conservatives; not his hardcore supporters, but among those who he really needs to stick with him in the next election, conservatives who have a soul. Many Republicans voted for him because they have always voted Republican. They have now been educated. Trump is in deep doodoo. This, of course, is only my humble opinion.

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Post by Slim Cognito » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:27 pm

So NOAA is now Pravda Weather. Good to know.
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RTH10260 wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:20 pm
more than one moron in this administration.
more dementia in this administration.

yeah --- really #MAGA :cantlook:
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much ado wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:23 pm
Yeah, several things to be outraged about, but my feeling is that Trump is digging his own grave among moderate conservatives; not his hardcore supporters, but among those who he really needs to stick with him in the next election, conservatives who have a soul. Many Republicans voted for him because they have always voted Republican. They have now been educated. Trump is in deep doodoo. This, of course, is only my humble opinion.
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Post by Jeffrey » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:48 pm

The Secretary of Commerce threatened to fire top employees at NOAA after after the agency’s Birmingham office disputed President Trump’s claim that Hurricane Dorian might hit Alabama
This is unfortunately one of the rare cases of the administration being in the right. The official forecast included Alabama at the time that the Birmingham office contradicted Trump.

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Post by DejaMoo » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:58 pm

much ado wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:23 pm
Yeah, several things to be outraged about, but my feeling is that Trump is digging his own grave among moderate conservatives; not his hardcore supporters, but among those who he really needs to stick with him in the next election, conservatives who have a soul. Many Republicans voted for him because they have always voted Republican. They have now been educated. Trump is in deep doodoo. This, of course, is only my humble opinion.
But this isn't Trump, this is the GOP. It's how they roll. Remember Valerie Plame? And the fact that Dumbya's administration worked hard at embedding party loyalists in the civil service, knowing/trusting in the fact that Democrats would not purge the civil service.

One party has politicized the civil service for political gain and retaliation, the other has not. This is bigger than Trump.
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Jeffrey wrote:
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The Secretary of Commerce threatened to fire top employees at NOAA after after the agency’s Birmingham office disputed President Trump’s claim that Hurricane Dorian might hit Alabama
This is unfortunately one of the rare cases of the administration being in the right. The official forecast included Alabama at the time that the Birmingham office contradicted Trump.
No, it didn't. I was following it minute by minute. The warnings including central Florida and Alabama were two days out of date when Trump tweeted the initial blunder, and all the spaghetti maps had the path turning north at that time. Even the wind-speed probability cones at worst warned of 39mph winds. No devastation likely. And that was when Dorian was still a ways off.

Hurricanes lose power quickly over land, as I would have assumed you knew.

By the time Birmingham contradicted Trump, Dorian had already started slowing and the prediction was the typical one historically: slowing, turning north, swinging to the east and grazing the coast. Happens all the time.

Trump was in no conceivable way correct about Alabama.
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Post by Jeffrey » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:56 pm

This seems like a semantic argument over the definition of hit. 39 mph wind justifies the inclusion of Alabama in warnings. Birmingham should not have tweeted what it did before the official forecast eliminated the possibility of impact in Alabama.

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