State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

[Chilidog]

Shipping clerks handle bills of lading, general average, demurrage, flotsam, jetsam and all other admiralty requirements. I hope that helps.

Uh oh......

Don't tell the sovcits

[realist]

“Consider this statement a gag order forbidding all parties from posting, emailing, or speaking publicly about any of my staff,” he said, revealing he had ordered Trump’s post deleted.

“Personal attacks on members of my court staff are unacceptable, inappropriate and I will not tolerate them in any circumstances.”

So does this include the judge? It effing should. But I suppose he is waiting a piccy of fuckhead aiming a baseball bat at his (Engoron's) head.

So apparently there was some off-the-record talk among the parties. I'm guessing Engoron told fuckhead's lolyers to knock it the hell off. Time will tell.

Just as importantly, does it include the prosecutors?

According to the judge's order, yes, as it states above, all parties. That would include the prosecutors. Who wouldn't be doing it anyway, but just sayin'.

[Sam the Centipede]

Shipping clerks handle bills of lading, general average, demurrage, flotsam, jetsam and all other admiralty requirements. I hope that helps.

Uh oh......

Don't tell the sovcits

? Doesn't the joke originate in our amusement at the sovcits' alternate reality, in particular their obsession with admiralty law (to what purpose I don remember)?

[Fiascoist]

But we are talking about TFG who has the control of a vinegar gnat on cocaine or the self control not to throw ketchup on the wall in front of others. And his "lawyers" who are there just to do his bidding to piss off the judge...and file some crazy shit in the appellate courts.

[p0rtia]

“Consider this statement a gag order forbidding all parties from posting, emailing, or speaking publicly about any of my staff,” he said, revealing he had ordered Trump’s post deleted.

“Personal attacks on members of my court staff are unacceptable, inappropriate and I will not tolerate them in any circumstances.”

So does this include the judge? It effing should. But I suppose he is waiting a piccy of fuckhead aiming a baseball bat at his (Engoron's) head.

So apparently there was some off-the-record talk among the parties. I'm guessing Engoron told fuckhead's lolyers to knock it the hell off. Time will tell.

Just as importantly, does it include the prosecutors?

According to the judge's order, yes, as it states above, all parties. That would include the prosecutors. Who wouldn't be doing it anyway, but just sayin'.

noy

I meant, does the group of people fuckhead is not to attack include the judge himself and as Sugar notes, the prosecutors. Engoron only says "my staff", which is surprisingly narrow.

[Maybenaut]

Shipping clerks handle bills of lading, general average, demurrage, flotsam, jetsam and all other admiralty requirements. I hope that helps.

Uh oh......

Don't tell the sovcits

? Doesn't the joke originate in our amusement at the sovcits' alternate reality, in particular their obsession with admiralty law (to what purpose I don remember)?

It has to do with gold fringe on the flag. That’s all I remember.

But if they knew anything about admiralty law *at all,* they’d know that it’s the silver oar on the bench and not the gold fringe on the flag that symbolizes an admiralty court.

Back in the day, admiralty courts were separate from courts of general jurisdiction. The mace shaped like an oar was the symbol. We don’t have admiralty courts in the US (I don’t think we ever did after independence), but our federal courts do hear cases involving admiralty law. And when they do, some courts set a small silver decorative oar on the bench to denote that the case is an admiralty case.

[Sam the Centipede]

Engoron only says "my staff", which is surprisingly narrow.

Perhaps the judge is careful to preclude accusations of restricting free speech?

Tacit parts of a statement are intrinsically subject to misinterpretation. So: prosecutors aren't mentioned: (a) so it's ok to disparage them, (b) but they could be added, (c) because they're not an issue at this moment.

I suspect it is a warning shot about aiming build at other folk.

[noblepa]

Shipping clerks handle bills of lading, general average, demurrage, flotsam, jetsam and all other admiralty requirements. I hope that helps.

Uh oh......

Don't tell the sovcits

? Doesn't the joke originate in our amusement at the sovcits' alternate reality, in particular their obsession with admiralty law (to what purpose I don remember)?

One of the favorite sovcit memes is that a fringed flag in the courtroom indicates that the court is an admiralty court and, therefore, has no jurisdiction over them, for whatever land-based infraction they are charged with. Some have even claimed (and a few have tried it IIRC) that, if you see a fringed flag, you can simply announce to the judge that you are not subject to admiralty law, turn around and walk away.

[Suranis]

I meant, does the group of people fuckhead is not to attack include the judge himself and as Sugar notes, the prosecutors. Engoron only says "my staff", which is surprisingly narrow.

I think when Crackula starts attacking the Judge and the Prosecutors etc, we will know.

[noblepa]

I'm a little confused.

Isn't this the case in which Judge Engoran last week isssued a summary judgement, finding that Trump and the Trump organization had, indeed, fraudulently inflated the value of his properties? Didn't he also order that all of Trump's New York based companies be dissolved?

Was the summary judgement only a partial judgement, leaving some issues still to be resolved? If so, what issues remain?

[Suranis]

Nope, different case. That case only applied to stuff in New York. There was EVEN MORE FRAUD! so this applies to other places.

[raison de arizona]

I'm a little confused.

Isn't this the case in which Judge Engoran last week isssued a summary judgement, finding that Trump and the Trump organization had, indeed, fraudulently inflated the value of his properties? Didn't he also order that all of Trump's New York based companies be dissolved?

Was the summary judgement only a partial judgement, leaving some issues still to be resolved? If so, what issues remain?

Yes, summary judgment on the one main issue, I think there were 6 counts (7?) that needed trial still.

Edit:

The judge overseeing the case, Arthur Engoron, resolved the lawsuit’s top claim before the trial even began, ruling that Trump routinely deceived banks, insurers and others by exaggerating the value of assets on paperwork used in making deals and securing loans. Engoron will decide on six remaining claims in New York Attorney General Letitia James’ lawsuit, including allegations of conspiracy, falsifying business records and insurance fraud.

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[realist]

Nope, different case. That case only applied to stuff in New York. There was EVEN MORE FRAUD! so this applies to other places.

No, don't think so. This case is about NY stuff. That's why it's titled State of NY v Trump.

Judge in the instant case did rule in partial summary judgment that Trump had indeed commited fraud and cancelled his business licenses and essentially put his NY-based companies in receivership.

There are still issues to be tried related to his offspring, etc.
And damages if warranted.

[Suranis]

Nope, different case. That case only applied to stuff in New York. There was EVEN MORE FRAUD! so this applies to other places.

No, don't think so. This case is about NY stuff. That's why it's titled State of NY v Trump.

Judge in the instant case did rule in partial summary judgment that Trump had indeed commited fraud and cancelled his business licenses and essentially put his NY-based companies in receivership.

There are still issues to be tried related to his offspring, etc.
And damages if warranted.

Ah, my mistake.

[Kendra]

I finally saw the clip from today when tfg said he'd definitely testify. Lawyer Kise (sp?) was right behind him. Watch closely, but he looked awfully pained.

[Frater I*I]

I finally saw the clip from today when tfg said he'd definitely testify. Lawyer Kise (sp?) was right behind him. Watch closely, but he looked awfully pained.

He bought his tickets, he knew what he was getting into....


I say...let his career crash....

[Reality Check]

Off Topic

Re: Shipping Clerks
I thought the Fogbowism of referring to court clerks as shipping clerks paid homage to Orly Taitz and her disdain for court clerks especially SCOTUS clerk Danny Bickell whom she particularly singled out. She accused him and others of tampering with the court record on her cases. We had a similar discussion on Oldbow but I don't think anyone could come up with an instance where Orly actually used the term "shipping clerk".

[chancery]

[This case is about NY stuff. That's why it's titled State of NY v Trump.

This case is about New York corporations and LLCs. However, it does deal with some properties outside of New York, (e.g., Florida, Scotland), because those properties are owned by NYS business entities which are defendants.

[bob]

Was the summary judgement only a partial judgement, leaving some issues still to be resolved? If so, what issues remain?

Yes, and issues remain; among other issues, damages/fine.

[Kendra]

I finally saw the clip from today when tfg said he'd definitely testify. Lawyer Kise (sp?) was right behind him. Watch closely, but he looked awfully pained.

He bought his tickets, he knew what he was getting into....


I say...let his career crash....

Agreed.

[realist]

Just as importantly, does it include the prosecutors?

According to the judge's order, yes, as it states above, all parties. That would include the prosecutors. Who wouldn't be doing it anyway, but just sayin'.

noy

I meant, does the group of people fuckhead is not to attack include the judge himself and as Sugar notes, the prosecutors. Engoron only says "my staff", which is surprisingly narrow.

Sorry I misunderstood. Long day.

[pipistrelle]

Having said that, this is exactly why shipping clerks should* keep a low profile; to the protect the court from even an appearance of impropriety.

What is a shipping clerk, what is s/he supposed to do and what is this one doing wrong?

Thanks!!

some jerk* explained it; I believe the original is in Anna von Reitz's ramblings writings.

[Ben-Prime]

I finally saw the clip from today when tfg said he'd definitely testify. Lawyer Kise (sp?) was right behind him. Watch closely, but he looked awfully pained.

He bought his tickets, he knew what he was getting into....


I say...let his career crash....

Airplane! references are never inappropriate.

[Reality Check]

Yes, summary judgment on the one main issue, I think there were 6 counts (7?) that needed trial still.

Latitia James motion was only for a partial summary judgement on the matter of fraud:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... memo-83023

[Gregg]

Anyone think he's aware enough to realize the dumbest thing he ever did was come down that escalator?

That is actually a monitor there is no keyboard, so all he has is pictures.

FTW my dude....