State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

Dave from down under · #676

“Only little/stupid people pay their bills.” - DJ Trump

#677

https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/judiciary- ... -sect-753/

Judiciary Law § 753 looks like it's been on the books for some time, and it doesn't provide a great deal of guidance without looking at the caselaw.

Section 753 as is relevant here provides:

§ 753. Power of courts to punish for civil contempt

A. A court of record has power to punish, by fine and imprisonment, or either, a neglect or violation of duty, or other misconduct, by which a right or remedy of a party to a civil action or special proceeding, pending in the court may be defeated, impaired, impeded, or prejudiced, in any of the following cases: …

3. … or for any other disobedience to a lawful mandate of the court.

Here's a short law firm blog post that reviews some caselaw: https://www.barnespc.com/news-articles/ ... rt-orders/

#678

Ask Taitz what happens when you don't pay (they record it as a lien against your home and put your home up for sale - involuntarily). At least, that's one possible outcome.

#679

Foggy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:11 pm Ask Taitz what happens when you don't pay (they record it as a lien against your home and put your home up for sale - involuntarily). At least, that's one possible outcome.

Not his 30,000 square foot penthouse!

Sam the Centipede · #680

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:15 pm Not his 30,000 square foot penthouse!

No, they put a lien on real estate.

Not fictional estate.

#681

FWIW, two additional lawyers from Continental LLC, Christopher Kise's firm, were admitted pro hac vice today as part of Trump's trial team. Jennifer Hernandez has been a lawyer for four years; Ivan Ferris has been a lawyer for two years.

Not sure why the team bothered to get them admitted, since they don't need to be admitted to work on prep and briefs, and it seems unlikely that such newish lawyers would be entrusted with any speaking work at the trial.

noblepa · #682

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:48 pm
sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:46 pm
bob wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:11 pm https://twitter.com/frankrunyeon/status ... 9495658807
While this dovetails in with other issues, many attorneys (especially male attorneys) are like this.
He also initially denied saying "no" when half the reporters present heard him say it.
I just want to go on the record as registering my surprise that Kise is a lying liar that lies obvious lies.

Par for the course on his side.

And then lies about having told the lie.

Only the best.

Chilidog · #683

Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:57 pm
raison de arizona wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:15 pm Not his 30,000 square foot penthouse!

No, they put a lien on real estate.

Not fictional estate.

#684

So, a fine.

And then it increments up if he does it again. Engoron is a patient man.

Maybenaut · #685

Chilidog wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:04 pm
Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:57 pm
raison de arizona wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 5:15 pm Not his 30,000 square foot penthouse!

No, they put a lien on real estate.

Not fictional estate.

RTH10260 · #686

reported earlier

NY court employee disrupts Trump trial, says she's there to support him | NBC new York

NBC New York
18 Oct 2023

A New York court employee was charged with contempt of court after she allegedly disrupted Donald Trump's fraud trial proceeding, state court spokesperson Lucian Chalfen said.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/c ... l/4780343/

Dave from down under · #687

The cultists are everywhere

noblepa · #688

How long have you worked here, not counting tomorrow?

#689

Rolodex · #690

Who are you following on Twitter for this trial? I've been following Adam Klasfeld, but sometimes he gets overly general. Is someone else covering it? I think they can live tweet.

From what I've read, I like Engoron. He seems like a good natured guy who's been doing this forever. Not often that such a big name comes up, but probably more often in NYC than other places.

#691

I've been following Adam Klasfeld, but I did a little searching and you might want to check out Dan Alexander and Stewart Bishop. And Dan has this tweet up:

#692

No court tomorrow due to covid exposures per Adam Klasfeld. May resume Tuesday with Michael Cohen.

Kendra · #693

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 86297&ei=7

New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron rebuffed objections of attorneys for former President Donald Trump and ordered his $250 million fraud trial to continue despite concerns about COVID-19.

At the start of Tuesday's hearing, Trump lawyer Chris Kise announced that four members of the attorney general's office had contracted COVID-19.

"We have the leading candidate for president of the United States in this courtroom today," Kise said, according to Politico legal correspondent Erica Orden.

Kise called the prosecution "irresponsible" for its handling of the potential contagion caused by outbreak.

"It seems that nothing else matters, except for pursuing President Trump," he griped.

But Engoron pushed back.

"As Judge Engoron notes, no one on the defense side is wearing a mask, even though they are free to," MSNBC analyst Lisa Rubin reported. "Louis Solomon, for the AG's side, masked, stands, and insists he has followed all CDC guidelines for isolating, testing, and masking."
"Masks are available. We are going to proceed," Engoron said.

Kendra · #694

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html

Former President Donald Trump said he is not worried about his former attorney’s testimony at his civil fraud trial, saying he’s not a credible witness.

“He has a horrible record,” Trump said outside the courtroom as he exited for a lunch break. “It’s not going to end up very good for him. We’re not worried at all about his testimony.”

Trump again said his assets are far above what his financial statements indicated, as he has done many times during the trial, which is in its fourth week.

Cohen, meanwhile, walking out for the lunch break, told reporters that his appearance is a “heck of a reunion."

He will return to the stand when the hearing resumes.

NewMexGirl · #695

Kendra wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:34 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 86297&ei=7

Thanks for the article! Alina Habba refuses to wear a mask but won’t use the same microphone that prosecutors are using.

Also, too: Trump is supposed to show up in the courtroom later today. Will he wear a mask

‘Course not. He would rather die of COVID than wear a mask. Bet he doesn’t show, what with his germ phobia.

#696

NOW they care about COVID?

#697

Lisa Rubin https://twitter.com/lawofrub ... 4501278745

@lawofruby
Michael Cohen on the stand at the NYAG civil fraud trial: “I was asked by Mr. Trump to increase the total assets based upon a number that he arbitrarily elected… 1/

… and my responsibility, along with Allen Weisselberg predominantly, was to reverse engineer those asset classes, increase those assets in order to achieve the number Mr. Trump had tasked us to.”

https://twitter.com/DanAlexander21/stat ... 5482773934

Dan Alexander
@DanAlexander21
18/ Michael Cohen offers testimony implicating Donald Trump, saying that the real estate mogul would come up with an arbitrary number for his net worth, then task Cohen and Weisselberg with reverse engineering the value of the assets to reach the number Trump had picked.

Pretty strong stuff. We'll see how he holds up on cross.

#698

For one thing, his opening testimony is conclusory. We'll see if he can back it up with persuasive specifics.

RTH10260 · #699

The judge ought to have reminded them that impotus recommended vaccination

#700

Following a breaking story reported by multiple people on Twitter has always been challenging, but I'm finding it particularly difficult to follow the afternoon testimony.

Edit: Although it's possible that the reporters have run out of energy for minute-by-minute reporting. It's an extremely challenging and fatiguing thing to do.