Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:09 pm
Jerry Mander wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:05 pm Trump has been indicted again! And Pat Robertson is dead!
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Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:11 pm
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:12 pm
Thought this would never happen. So happy to have been wrong.
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:21 pm
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to post them all here.Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:23 pm
He’s not in jail. We still have due process here.
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:24 pm
While I doubt we'll see this POS in an orange jumpsuit, this makes me happy.
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:27 pm
Phillip Bump offers a no-paywall story.
Philip Bump @pbump 2m
In case you think the issue here is "Trump had a document in a box," this article (no paywall) will disabuse you of that notion.
CNN has been going for 35 minutes without a commerical break and going...
Rooting for an Espionage Act count. That puts it in a whole other league for the "process crimes" MAGAts.
Philip Bump @pbump 2m
In case you think the issue here is "Trump had a document in a box," this article (no paywall) will disabuse you of that notion.
CNN has been going for 35 minutes without a commerical break and going...
Rooting for an Espionage Act count. That puts it in a whole other league for the "process crimes" MAGAts.
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:28 pm
Mark Meadow: "Tell him it was just business."NEW confirming per source familiar: Trump has been indicted in the Mar-a-Lago docs case on willful retention of national security material, obstruction and conspiracy.
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:30 pm
Gift link to NY TImes live updates...
Trump Indicted - Trump Is Charged in Classified Documents Inquiry
Shouldn't that be 'Trump Indicated'?
Trump Indicted - Trump Is Charged in Classified Documents Inquiry
Shouldn't that be 'Trump Indicated'?
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:34 pm
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:39 pm
NSFW…
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:39 pm
Thank you so much, Much Ado! Those gift links are the best, the pages with live updates are terrific with gift links. And absolutely, Trump Indicated is a must.much ado wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:30 pm Gift link to NY TImes live updates...
Trump Indicted - Trump Is Charged in Classified Documents Inquiry
Shouldn't that be 'Trump Indicated'?
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:47 pm
But no Espionage Sec. 793 charge?
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:50 pm
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:50 pm
Well:
Willful retention is a section 793 crime:NEW confirming per source familiar: Trump has been indicted in the Mar-a-Lago docs case on willful retention of national security material, obstruction and conspiracy.
Subd. (e) wrote:Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:50 pm
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:52 pm
Ah thanks Bob. Willful retention describes his crime to a T.
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:53 pm
Holding our waters in anticipation, oh great and marvelous Poet LaureateW. Kevin Vicklund wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 1:29 pm Pointer Sisters have been consulted, the Muse is sated, just waiting for Jackso I can drop one on you, FogBow.
ETA:guess who posted withou reading to the bottom of the thread
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:53 pm
While it is possible, I also would say doubtful.
It would, at this point, have to be a crime committed in DC entirely.
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:58 pm
HELL YEAH
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:59 pm
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:00 pm
It could be Sec. 793(d) or (e) (depending on whether the government is alleging authorized or unauthorized original possession of defense information); or it could be 18 USC 1924, retention of classified information. Or both, or all three.
We’ll have to see the charging document to know for sure.
Edit: Ninja’d by bob (sort of). I think 793(d) is possible, at least theoretically. Trump was clearly in lawful possession of these documents at some point while he was President. When he didn’t give them back, a crime under 793(d) would be complete (theoretically).
Also arguably, once he removed them from the White House, his possession was unauthorized, and his retention was a crime under 793(e).
The problem is you can’t be in both authorized and unauthorized possession of the same document at the same time. So the government is going to have to pick one.
There’s also a willfulness element that they’d have to prove under 793 that they wouldn’t have to prove under 1924.
So we’ll have to wait and see.
Also arguably, once he removed them from the White House, his possession was unauthorized, and his retention was a crime under 793(e).
The problem is you can’t be in both authorized and unauthorized possession of the same document at the same time. So the government is going to have to pick one.
There’s also a willfulness element that they’d have to prove under 793 that they wouldn’t have to prove under 1924.
So we’ll have to wait and see.
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:00 pm
I really wish Garland had been prepared to give a press conference the moment after informing Trump's lawyers. The DOJ is just letting tis known liar get out ahead of everything and allowing him to own the narrative.
Edit: Now someone on CNN saying the same thing.
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:11 pm
Hannity brings Dershowitz on as guest 1 after he whines about Clinton. Sean looks unusually circumspect. Sean quotes NY Times reporting that a count is in the Espionage Act. "How can you not look immediately at classified information on Hillary Clinton's server? How about Joe Biden? BleachBit! Hammers! What about what about what about???" Gregg Jarrett says conclusively that there's a double standard and Garland "bastardized the law". Hacks on parade.
Special Counsel Jack Smith: Judgement Day (one way or the other)
Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:34 pm
The people who will fall for his narrative wouldn't listen to Garland anyway.RVInit wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:00 pm I really wish Garland had been prepared to give a press conference the moment after informing Trump's lawyers. The DOJ is just letting tis known liar get out ahead of everything and allowing him to own the narrative.
Edit: Now someone on CNN saying the same thing.