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I plan to copy over some earlier relevant posts that are scattered around.

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Eric Schneiderman on Keeping Trump in Check and Maybe, Maybe, Investigating the Russian Ties ...

Even before Comey’s firing, some well-placed congressional Democrats had been urging Schneiderman to probe the Trump campaign’s suspected Kremlin connection, as far afield as that might seem for a state officeholder. But New York, of course, is home to the Trump Organization and its bank accounts. “We have jurisdiction over everything because we’re New York, and every check clears New York,” said former state attorney general (and governor) Eliot Spitzer, whose high-profile prosecutions on Wall Street demonstrated the office’s national reach. “There are odd jurisdictional hooks that sometimes come into play. Money laundering may be implicated here.” ...

“When Trump was elected, it became very clear to me, having known him for some time, that there were going to be new challenges,” Schneiderman told me in April in an interview at his Broadway office, which looks out on the harbor and the World Trade Center memorial — a reminder of the stakes of law enforcement in New York. “This is a president who doesn’t like to see checks on his power,” he said, and a Congress with “a real reluctance to serve as a check on the Executive branch.”

“The states are able to serve as a backup,” he said. Particularly New York, whose attorney general’s office is perhaps the most powerful in the country, aided by the Martin Act, a state law that gives sweeping powers to investigate financial fraud. Past occupants of the office have used that power to raise their political profiles — both of Schneiderman’s immediate predecessors, Spitzer and Andrew Cuomo, ended up as governor. It’s no secret that Schneiderman would like to follow that example, and his confrontational stance toward Trump has made him a popular figure on the left. But it could also be an effective litigation strategy. Schneiderman and other state attorneys general led the successful counterattack against Trump’s initial Muslim-nation immigration ban, and similar lawsuits could slow the administration’s moves on civil rights and environmental regulations. “I think that we’re in a situation now,” Schneiderman said, “where the confrontations provoked very early on have set up an unprecedented set of battle lines.” ...

Trump vowed never to settle the Trump University case. He did, right after the election, for $25 million. It may prove to be a template for future legal dramas. Trump may have the power to squelch federal investigators, but Schneiderman’s office has a staff of some 650 attorneys and formidable resources. In what was widely viewed as a preparatory move for cases to come, he recently hired a public-corruption prosecutor who worked for Preet Bharara, the U.S. Attorney for New York controversially ousted by Trump. (The Trump Foundation investigation, for one, is ongoing.)

“If it’s hard to get checks on the presidency from Congress, we’re going to try to fill that space,” Schneiderman said. “I’m willing to bet on the rule of law. I think at the end of the day, it’s what people want. I will bet on that to survive this presidency.”
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May 14 2017

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Manafort's Real-Estate Deals Said to Be Probed by N.Y.'s Top Cop

New York State has opened an investigation into the real-estate dealings of President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, deepening the already intense legal scrutiny of the young administration.

The probe by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, one of the most outspoken critics of the president, is in a preliminary stage, according to a person familiar with the matter who asked not to be named because the investigation isn’t public. Manafort, who ran Trump’s campaign from April to August last year, has owned property in the Hamptons and Trump Tower in Manhattan.

Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. is also in the early stages of an investigation into Manafort’s transactions, a person familiar with that probe said. Representatives for Schneiderman and Vance declined to comment. ...

Manafort’s business dealings have featured prominently in discussions of links between the Trump campaign and Russia. He used Cypriot bank accounts to receive money from Russian tycoon Oleg Deripaska and Ukrainian clients, according to court records and former executives at the bank where the accounts were kept. Manafort and Deripaska have said the accounts were opened for legitimate business transactions.
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Thanks for starting this thread Addie. I think this investigation is probably more important than we know. The firing of Comey has pushed everything else off the front page but other things are happening despite that.
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I was bothered by the Feds suddenly settling a Russian money laundering case in Manhattan on Friday. Comey's fired on Tuesday, case settled Friday. I'm hoping Schneiderman's office can look into this stinky resolution.
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May 13 2017

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U.S. settles Russian money laundering case

A Russian-owned group of companies has agreed to pay nearly $6 million to settle U.S. civil allegations that the firms laundered proceeds of a $230 million tax fraud, ending a politically charged case days before it was set to go to trial.

Federal prosecutors in New York announced late Friday the surprise settlement between the U.S. government and Russian businessman Denis Katsyv, the owner of Prevezon Holdings, as both sides were preparing to bring the three-year case to trial next week.

“We will not allow the U.S. financial system to be used to launder the proceeds of crimes committed anywhere – here in the U.S., in Russia, or anywhere else," Acting Manhattan U.S. Attorney Joon H. Kim said in a statement.

The settlement comes after Prevezon was hit with key setbacks last week: U.S. District Judge William Pauley denied a summary judgment motion by the defense and granted a government motion to admit evidence from a Russian criminal case.

In a statement Prevezon portrayed the settlement as a victory, saying that the deal was struck without it admitting guilt and that the payment represented less than three percent the amount initially sought by the U.S. government.
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BBC News: Police probe UK links to Magnitsky money ...

The US Justice Department highlighted the UK connection to suspected illicit funds after investigating how proceeds of the Russian tax fraud were allegedly laundered into luxury apartments in New York.

US court documents, seen by the BBC, show alleged wire transfers from the Russian organised crime group going into the UK bank account of Renaissance Capital - a Russian investment banking firm, which has offices in London.

The US investigation led to $6m being recovered by the New York district attorney.

The files given to British police highlight a number of "money laundering red flags" over Renaissance Capital's activities, although the US authorities have not suggested Renaissance played a role in, or were aware of, the original Russian tax fraud.
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Russian money-laundering details remain in the dark as US settles fraud case ...

The trial was set to start on Monday, but late Friday night, federal prosecutors in New York announced they settled the case with Prevezon, the company accused of buying up "high-end commercial space and luxury apartments" with laundered money.

The abrupt conclusion has some involved in the trial wondering why this Russian investigation had been cut short.

"What most concerns me is: Has there been any political pressure applied in this?" asked Louise Shelley, an illicit finance expert who was set to testify in support of the US government on Tuesday. ...

There was one witness set to testify at the trial who had a very personal connection to the case: Jamison Firestone, whose law firm partner was Magnitsky.

On Saturday, Firestone lamented that details about the Russian government, mobsters and investors who allegedly received these funds won't be aired at trial.

"I wanted this all to come out," he told CNN on Saturday. "The embarrassing stuff exposes the Russian government's entire money laundering machine."
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Reality Check wrote:Thanks for starting this thread Addie. I think this investigation is probably more important than we know. The firing of Comey has pushed everything else off the front page but other things are happening despite that.
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Schneiderman hires prosecutor who worked for Preet Bharara to pursue Trump cases

Albany -- New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has hired a former prosecutor under ex-U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara to pursue public corruption cases.

Howard Master previously worked for Bharara as deputy chief of the criminal division in the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York. He focused on public corruption cases, including the prosecution of former New York State Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, according to the New York Daily News.

Schneiderman also has hired Eric Haren to work on public corruption cases, the News said. Haren was previously chief counsel to Democratic U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California.

Both new hires will prioritize taking on the administration of President Donald Trump and holding the federal government accountable, according to the News.

Schneiderman plans to explore whether Trump is violating a clause of the Constitution that some say bars Trump-owned businesses from accepting payments from foreign governments.
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March 19 2017

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NY’s Schneiderman, Cuomo plan to use unique power vs. Trump

ALBANY — New York plans to use a powerful state law to try to counter rollbacks in Wall Street enforcement under President Donald Trump as well as employing the state’s clout to fight any retreat from global warming initiatives, experts say.

Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman and Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, both Democrats, are planning to wield the state’s Martin Act in the financial sector against a Republican White House and Congress. A decade ago, then-Attorney General Eliot Spitzer rediscovered the Depression-era law that propelled him into a political and enforcement power as he took on President George W. Bush’s administration, Wall Street and corporate boardrooms.

The state Martin Act is one of many “blue sky statutes” created by states to mirror or complement federal enforcement of Wall Street. If the federal law changes, New York’s measure remains in force for companies based in or operating in New York, which is most of Wall Street.

The Martin Act has criminal and civil powers, but it has almost always been used as a civil action to force investment banks and other corporations to require more transparency, to end potential conflicts of interest and more. Companies commit to the changes in binding settlements to end the often costly state investigations. The agreements can include restrictions that surpass the requirements of federal statutes.

Last month Trump signed an executive order to ease regulations on Wall Street known as the Dodd-Frank Act. The Democratic Obama administration put the consumer protections and anti-fraud measures in place after the markets tanked and contributed to the Great Recession.
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March 22 2017
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Lawyer for Russian whistleblower's family falls out of apartment building before court date ...

On March 22, Gorokhov was scheduled to appear in front of the Moscow City Appeals Court to argue against the Tverskoi District Court's refusal to consider a new criminal complaint filed by Magnitsky's mother in regards to new evidence, Tuesday's press release said.

A series of electronic communications, known as the Pavlov Leaks, had been uncovered and it showed collusion of individuals responsible for the fraud case that Magnitsky uncovered, the release alleged. Members of the Klyuev crime syndicate and police officers were involved, the release claimed.

Gorokhov is also a key witness in the U.S. government's case against Prevezon Holdings, a Cyprus company owned by Denis Katsyv, son of senior Russian official Petr Katsyv, the release said. The trial, scheduled to begin on May 15th, is in relation to Prevezon's alleged money laundering that Magnitsky discovered, the release continued.

Former New York attorney Attorney Preet Bharara was handling the Prevezon affair before President Donald Trump fired him.
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Update: Feds Subpoena Records for $3.5M Mystery Mortgage on Manafort’s Home

Federal investigators have subpoenaed records related to a $3.5 million mortgage that former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort took out on his Hamptons home just after leaving the campaign, according to a source familiar with the matter.
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Manafort Got $3.5M Mystery Mortgage, Paid No Tax

Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort took out a $3.5 million mortgage through a shell company just after leaving the campaign, but the mortgage document that explains how he would pay it back was never filed — and Manafort's company never paid $36,000 in taxes that would be due on the loan.

In addition, despite telling NBC News previously that all his real estate transactions are transparent and include his name and signature, Manafort's name and signature do not appear on any of the loan documents that are publicly available. A Manafort spokesperson said the $3.5 million loan was repaid in December, but also said paperwork showing the repayment was not filed until he was asked about the loan by NBC News. ...

On August 19, 2016, Manafort left the Trump campaign amid media reports about his previous work for a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine, including allegations he received millions of dollars in payments.

That same day, Manafort created a holding company called Summerbreeze LLC. Several weeks later, a document called a UCC filed with the state of New York shows that Summerbreeze took out a $3.5 million loan on Manafort's home in the tony beach enclave of Bridgehampton.

A review of New York state and Suffolk County records shows the loan was made by S C 3, a subsidiary of Spruce Capital, which was co-founded by Joshua Crane, who has partnered with Donald Trump on real estate deals. Spruce is also partially funded by Ukrainian-American real-estate magnate Alexander Rovt, who tried to donate $10,000 to Trump's presidential campaign on Election Day but had all but the legal maximum of $2,700 returned.
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Schneiderman Presses Search for Tillerson Lost Exxon Emails

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman is pressing on with a search for U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s lost emails that he wrote under the pseudonym of “Wayne Tracker” while he was the Chief Executive of Exxon Mobile Corp.

Schneiderman said on Friday that his office issued new subpoenas and questioned witnesses about the disappearance of the emails, in which Tillerson allegedly discussed climate change risks and other sensitive issues. Exxon has admitted that as much as a year’s worth of emails Tillerson wrote under the Wayne Tracker handle may have been lost. It blamed a technical glitch.

Tillerson used the pseudonym account to communicate with company board members, according to Schneiderman, who is investigating whether the Irving, Texas-based company broke state law by misleading investors for years about the possible impact of the Earth’s warming on its business. Schneiderman’s Massachusetts counterpart Maura Healey is running a parallel investigation.

Exxon has been trying without success to upend the probes through a lawsuit in federal court in Texas -- an effort backed by House Republicans. That suit was transferred to federal court in New York in March.

Exxon’s lawsuit is improperly impeding the state’s investigation, and the company has shown no injury qualifying it for intervention by a federal court, Schneiderman said in a request Friday to a New York judge to throw it out. Healey also urged the judge to dismiss the lawsuit.
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Inside Climate News
Exxon's Climate Accounting a 'Sham' Under Rex Tillerson, New York’s AG Says

New York's attorney general has accused ExxonMobil of misleading investors by using two sets of numbers in its greenhouse gas accounting—one shown to investors, and a "secret" set used internally by the company.

In a document filed in a New York court on Friday, Attorney General Eric Schneiderman says that Rex Tillerson, who was then the chief executive of Exxon and is now the U.S. secretary of state, approved of what "may be a sham."

Schneiderman spelled out the evidence for the first time from documents and testimony already turned over by Exxon, and demanded more information under additional subpoenas in a probe that has been going on since 2015.

The details of the allegation provide the most substantive evidence yet that the energy company may have misrepresented the financial risks posed to its business by climate change.

The filing says that Tillerson was "specifically informed of, and approved of" the discrepancy.
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Wednesday 31 May 2017 13.28 EDT
Shareholders force ExxonMobil to come clean on cost of climate change
‘Historic’ vote by nearly two-thirds of shareholders will force annual ‘stress test’ to measure how regulation will affect assets

ExxonMobil, the world’s biggest oil company, was compelled by shareholders to be more open about the impact of climate change on its business in a “historic” surprise vote on Wednesday.

The public rebuke came as Donald Trump reportedly prepared to pull out of the Paris climate accord, the agreement forged by close to 200 countries to address climate change.

Some 62% of shareholders voted for the resolution and against Exxon’s management at the company’s annual meeting in Dallas, Texas. The vote to more clearly report how climate change affects Exxon’s business comes as investors are increasingly demanding companies disclose the likely impact of global warming and follows the passing of similar proposals at two smaller energy companies earlier this month.

Edward Mason, head of responsible investment at Church Commissioners for England, which led the vote, said shareholders were showing how out of step the Trump administration had become on climate change. “Trump is acting contrary to Wall Street and the world’s largest investors,” he said. “Climate change is a material financial risk and shareholders want to know how companies will manage the change to a low carbon economy.”

Exxon’s management sought to head off the proposal championed by the pension funds of the Church of England, New York and California and other large shareholders, which will force the company to conduct an annual “stress test” measuring how its oil assets will be affected by climate change regulation and new technology.

Last year, the same proposal was backed by 38% of shareholders who voted. <SNIP>
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Exxon Mobil Shareholders Demand Accounting of Climate Change Policy Risks

A majority of Exxon Mobil’s shareholders, in a reversal, have voted in favor of more open and detailed analyses of the risks posed to its business by policies aimed at stemming climate change.

Those policies include the goal of the Paris climate agreement to restrict global temperatures to no more than 2 degrees Celsius above preindustrial levels.

Preliminary results announced at the company’s annual shareholder meeting on Wednesday put the results at 62.3 percent in favor, up from the 38 percent a similar resolution garnered last year.

The resolution, which the company’s directors opposed, is nonbinding. But Darren W. Woods, the chief executive, said the board would consider the result because it reflected the view of a majority of shareholders. <SNIP>
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Eric Trump's foundation funneled $100,000 intended for child cancer research to Trump Organization

President Trump's son has hosted charity golf tournaments over the past decade and raised money for child cancer research, but some of the proceeds were funneled to the Trump Organization, according to a report published Tuesday.

The charity events, organized by Eric Trump since 2007 at a Trump-branded golf course, ostensibly raised millions of dollars for St. Jude’s Children Research Hospital.

Donors contributed more than $500,000 that they believed was being used to help sick children. In fact, their donations were going to other Trump-connected charities, according to Forbes magazine.

Trump’s practices, if true, would violate federal and state laws on self-dealing and misleading donors. ...

In December, then President-elect Trump announced he would dissolve his foundation to avoid conflicts of interests.

New York’s Attorney General Eric Schneiderman's office said Trump cannot dissolve his foundation until its investigation is complete.
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1. We are living in very, very strange days when Exxon-Mobil is getting reality-based on climate science. Especially since state legal activity is suggesting and alleging (but not yet at the point of proving in a court of law) that the former CEO of Exxon had a secret e-mail account in which he understood and acknowledged the risks of climate change, and authorized deceiving his investors of those risks. And that said ex-CEO is now Secretary of State and (rather surprisingly, given his history) urged the current President to adhere to the Paris Agreement on climate change, and (less surprisingly) urged the president to commit to Article V at the NATO summit and (back to surprisingly) seems to actually have a solid theory of statecraft, if you go by his all-employee speech archived at state.gov (which I recommend everyone watch - good 40 minutes, and even if I don't agree completely with Tillerson, it dramatically affected how I view his membership in this administration).

2. It's not hugely surprising that the Trump children take after their father in their lust for skimming off the top. It's a matter of record that news reporting suggests that the Trump children have had occasion recently to discuss various matters with the FBI. It's a matter of breaking news that the Trump children are presently considering launching a more modestly-priced hotel chain.

3. Russia might not be the only world power to understand the power of kompromat*. It's just cruder and less subtle and less rule-of-law based than others in its approach. I would hesitate to speculate much further than that.

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Please keep speculating, Guppy! :daydream:

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I think Tillerson is a "company man" who does whatever the Board of Directors or President tells him to do in spite of his own misgivings. Perhaps he thinks he can make things less bad than if someone else were in his place.
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Sterngard Friegen wrote:Please keep speculating, Guppy! :daydream:
OK. Chris Christie sure dodged a bullet with Bridgegate.

I could go further down the rabbit hole, but that would probably be worthy of a new thread clearly marked as "wild speculation" rather than fact. I wouldn't want to harm this forum's reputation for fact-based observation.
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It is great to have a resourceful arm of the justice system over which Trump has no power. I hope they cause him all the trouble that he has deserved for many years. Roy Cohn just postponed the downfall of Donald J. Trump.
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A.G. SCHNEIDERMAN AND ACTING TAX COMMISSIONER MANION ANNOUNCE INDICTMENT OF “TAXI KING” EVGENY FREIDMAN FOR ALLEGEDLY STEALING NEARLY $5 MILLION IN MTA TAXES

ALBANY – Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman and Acting Commissioner of Taxation and Finance Nonie Manion announced today the arrests of Evgeny A. Freidman, 46, of New York, NY, and Andreea Dumitru, 41, of Sunnyside, NY, on a five-count indictment charging them jointly with theft and failure to remit to the New York State Tax Department over $5 million in 50 cent MTA surcharges between 2012 and 2015. During this time period, Freidman and Dumitru—respectively the CEO and CFO of Taxiclub Management Inc.—managed a fleet of over 800 medallion taxicabs out of locations in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Woodside, and Long Island City.

“The ‘Taxi King’ built his empire by stealing from New Yorkers – pocketing money that should have instead been invested in our transportation system,” said Attorney General Schneiderman. “No one is above the law, and my office will use every tool available to hold accountable those who cheat the system.”

“This indictment exposes a blatant scheme to short-change the Metropolitan Transit Authority, the transportation infrastructure relied on by millions of New Yorkers,” said Acting Commissioner of Taxation and Finance Nonie Manion. “Hundreds of honest taxi drivers did their part in collecting the proper fare, however Mr. Freidman and his business partner are accused of manipulating tax filings to put this money right into their own pockets. We will continue to work with the Attorney General’s Office and all of our law enforcement partners to ensure that those who accumulate personal wealth with tax schemes and ill-gotten gains face justice.”

This case was the result of a joint investigation by the New York State Attorney General’s Office and the Department of Taxation and Finance. Additionally, the Attorney General’s Taxpayer Protection Bureau is conducting an ongoing parallel civil investigation into Mr. Freidman’s conduct. Separately, the Attorney General’s Labor Bureau has investigated Freidman’s failure to properly pay drivers; those investigations resulted in a 2013 settlement for $1.2 million and a 2016 consent order in New York Supreme Court requiring Freidman and four of his taxi medallion management agencies to pay over $275,000 in damages and fines and to hire an independent monitor to examine compliance with TLC driver-related rules.
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New York AG looking into Eric Trump Foundation

New York's attorney general is looking into the Eric Trump Foundation after reports that the foundation may have funneled money to the Donald J. Trump Foundation.

Eric Schneiderman's office, which has previously been investigating the Donald J. Trump Foundation, is now looking into the Eric Trump Foundation for potential violation of state laws, a spokesman told Forbes.

It was reported earlier this week that President Trump’s charity foundation funneled $100,000 in donations meant for St. Jude’s Children’s Research Hospital into revenue for the Trump Organization by using his son’s charity.

“The attorney general's office is looking into the issues raised by this report," said Eric Soufer, the communications director for the New York state attorney general. ...

Additionally, more than $500,000 over 10 years was then re-donated to other charities, including charities connected to members of the Trump family. At least four of those charities also held charity golf tournaments at Trump golf courses, according to the report.

President Trump reportedly gave the order himself for the Trump Organization to bill the Eric Trump Foundation for the money, which, if true, would violate both New York state and federal law.
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Re: New York State Investigations of Trump and Related

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And don't we know from the Pulitzer Prize winning Washington Post series by Farenthold (on the tiny screen, so I don't have a link) that very little (if any) Trump Foundation money was actually spent on charitable giving?
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