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Post by Addie » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:41 pm

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Amid White House Tumult, Pence Offers Trump a Steady Hand

WASHINGTON — When some of President Trump’s aides were reassuring him over the past few weeks that he had enough votes to pass a health care bill, Vice President Mike Pence was skeptical.

Mr. Pence, a Hill-wise former Indiana congressman who is typically a palliative presence in an administration of piranhas, had been keeping tabs on conservatives, counseling the president not to take anything for granted, and he urged Mr. Trump to take a hard line against his ideological allies who were pushing for a far more radical rewrite of the Affordable Care Act.

During the course of the last two trying weeks, as less-experienced advisers floundered — and others skipped town — Mr. Pence emerged as an effective, if not ultimately successful, wingman for a president short on competent help.

The health care debacle was nothing if not a CT scan of a troubled and inexperienced West Wing — from the president’s sketchy grasp on policy, to the heavy-handed tactics of his chief strategist, Stephen K. Bannon, who issued a final ultimatum to a balky Freedom Caucus. ...

That has left Mr. Pence to carry out many of the functions that the White House chief of staff, Reince Priebus, would normally fulfill if he possessed more policy experience and legislative connections: sounding out lawmakers for inside information, providing the president with tactical counsel, quietly offering policy tweaks during negotiations.
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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:21 pm

Addie wrote:New York Times
Amid White House Tumult, Pence Offers Trump a Steady Hand
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Are they building up Trumps successor ?


PS. in a tyop I wrote first of Temps successor :lol: How temporary will Trump be?

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Axios
Baffled, brooding Trump searches for new approach

President Trump brought his chaos-and-loyalty theory of management into the White House, relying on competing factions, balanced by trusted family members, with himself perched atop as the gut-instinct decider. He now realizes this approach has flopped, and feels baffled and paralyzed by how to fix it, numerous friends and advisers tell us.

"Trump is thinking through his frustrations," said one Washington wise man close to the West Wing. "The team didn't put the windows in right." ...

The purpose of the meeting was to spin her departure — the officials said they needed an all-star player to get the group off the ground. But during the conversation one of the officials made a revealing comment. He views the Trump White House in terms that could be applied to the iterative process of designing software. It's a beta White House. ...

"We rode something until it didn't work any more," the official said. "We recognized it didn't work, we changed it, we adjusted it and then we kind of got better ... [T]his was much more entrepreneurial."

In the White House, he said, "we're going to keep adjusting until we get it right."
  • Translation: Buckle up. You should expect regular, sometimes violent, upheavals in this Trump White House.

    Sound smart: In any organization, all habits — good and bad — trickle down. So no wonder you have so many young staffers spending so much time stirring mischief and trying to prove loyalty, often blindly.
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Post by Kendra » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:00 pm

I guess this is as good a place as any. Interesting comments about our new Secretary of State. Sorry no quotes, I don't know how to on my phone.

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Post by Chilidog » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:17 pm

From the wapo article that the above link is based on
Most of his interactions are with an insular circle of political aides who are new to the State Department. Many career diplomats say they still have not met him, and some have been instructed not to speak to him directly – or even make eye contact.
Tell me that's not insane.

A man whose very job description is to communicate with foreign nations is uncomfortable making eye contact with his own staff??????

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 89532e006c


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Post by WriteItDown » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:06 pm

I heard an interesting discussion on NPR about Trump's mental condition and one of thr guest psychologist/psychiatrists said he would be very happy with a President Pence. He said that Pence's policies and philosophies are horrible but at least he is not "dangerously mentally ill". Interesting.
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Post by Addie » Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:49 am

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Kushner’s privileged status stokes resentment in White House ...

But Kushner's status as the big-issue guru has stoked resentment among his colleagues, who question whether Kushner is capable of following through on his various commitments and complain that his dabbling in myriad issues and his tendency to walk in and out of meetings have complicated efforts to instill more order and organization into the chaotic administration. These people also say Kushner can be a shrewd self promoter, knowing how to take credit — and shirk blame — whenever it suits him.

“He's saving the government and the Middle East at the same time,” one senior administration official quipped.

In addition to being arguably the president’s most trusted and influential adviser, Kushner also serves as Trump’s unofficial hatchet man. And all eyes are on Kushner as White House insiders predict a broader staff shakeup amid rising tensions between Kushner and White House chief strategist Steve Bannon. ...

On Wednesday, White House staffers and outside allies passed around a story from the parody website The Onion indicating that Kushner had “quietly moved the task ‘solve Middle East crisis’ to his to-do list for next week” because “there was simply too much on his plate right now to bring stability to the fractious region by end of day Friday.” Kushner did not see the piece, a person close to him said.

Yet he is frequently the last person Trump speaks to at night. He spends most weekends with his father-in-law, traveling to Florida aboard Air Force One. Last week, he called lawmakers from a vacation in Aspen, Colo., as the health care bill went off the rails — and, while several aides questioned his decision to go on holiday at such a critical time, Kushner was the one who went to dinner with the president the day after the bill failed, joined by his wife Ivanka Trump--who is now also taking a formal position alongside her husband in her father’s administration.
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Post by Addie » Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:34 pm

New York Times Op-Ed
President Trump’s Leaky Ship of State ...

A leaky White House is not the only consequence of Mr. Trump’s chaotic management style, and maybe not even the most important. Mr. Trump’s cabinet officers are having a terrible time getting their departments up and running — and building their own leadership teams — in part because they are having to deal with a small army of 500 Republican advisers, lobbyists and itinerant campaign workers appointed by the White House to oversee the transition from one administration to the other. ...

At the Environmental Protection Agency, Scott Pruitt, the new administrator, is saddled with Don Benton, who has been described as Mr. Trump’s “senior adviser” to the agency. This totally mystifies Republicans in Mr. Benton’s home state, Washington, where, according to The Seattle Times, he has had “an almost perfect track record of failure and interpersonal conflict, often resulting in legal or disciplinary action, at every public position he’s held.” Mr. Benton is a former state Republican Party boss whose only experience in running an environmental agency was a stint as director of environmental services in Clark County, Wash., where he had to be pressured into showing up.

As a state senator, a job he held simultaneously with his environmental gig, Mr. Benton once called a female colleague a “trashy, trampy-mouthed little girl,” and followed her around the Senate floor, saying: “You are weird. … Weird, weird, weird. Just so weird!” This emerged in a workplace complaint that Mr. Benton filed, saying he felt “physically threatened” by the colleague he harassed.

Mr. Benton is now driving Mr. Pruitt batty. Two agency officials told The Washington Post that Mr. Pruitt has tried to shut Mr. Benton out of meetings because he has “piped up so frequently during policy discussions,” with remarks so weird, weird, weird they are actually humorous. Of course, given what Mr. Pruitt has been up to at the E.P.A., it’s tempting to hope that Mr. Benton sticks around and continues to gum up the works.

There may be a 100-day housecleaning in the works, according to leaks from several Republicans close to the White House (who hope their rivals will be among the first to go). But this may be wishful thinking. Mr. Trump seems to enjoy the confusion and intrigue that occurs when staffers with hazy roles — or, like Mr. Benton, few qualifications — scrap over turf and vie for his attention.
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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:03 am

I couldn't think of a better person to create havoc and prevent productivity for Scott Pruitt. Oh, the trials of being a public servant. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post by Addie » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:18 am

LA Times - Editorial Board
Donald Trump's train-wreck presidency

It was no secret during the campaign that Donald Trump was a narcissist and a demagogue who used fear and dishonesty to appeal to the worst in American voters. The Times called him unprepared and unsuited for the job he was seeking, and said his election would be a “catastrophe.”

Still, nothing prepared us for the magnitude of this train wreck. Like millions of other Americans, we clung to a slim hope that the new president would turn out to be all noise and bluster, or that the people around him in the White House would act as a check on his worst instincts, or that he would be sobered and transformed by the awesome responsibilities of office.

Instead, seventy-some days in — and with about 1,400 to go before his term is completed — it is increasingly clear that those hopes were misplaced. In a matter of weeks, President Trump has taken dozens of real-life steps that, if they are not reversed, will rip families apart, foul rivers and pollute the air, intensify the calamitous effects of climate change and profoundly weaken the system of American public education for all. His attempt to de-insure millions of people who had finally received healthcare coverage and, along the way, enact a massive transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich has been put on hold for the moment. But he is proceeding with his efforts to defang the government’s regulatory agencies and bloat the Pentagon’s budget even as he supposedly retreats from the global stage. ...

What is most worrisome about Trump is Trump himself. He is a man so unpredictable, so reckless, so petulant, so full of blind self-regard, so untethered to reality that it is impossible to know where his presidency will lead or how much damage he will do to our nation. His obsession with his own fame, wealth and success, his determination to vanquish enemies real and imagined, his craving for adulation — these traits were, of course, at the very heart of his scorched-earth outsider campaign; indeed, some of them helped get him elected. But in a real presidency in which he wields unimaginable power, they are nothing short of disastrous.
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Post by pipistrelle » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:29 am

Chilidog wrote:From the wapo article that the above link is based on
Most of his interactions are with an insular circle of political aides who are new to the State Department. Many career diplomats say they still have not met him, and some have been instructed not to speak to him directly – or even make eye contact.
Tell me that's not insane.

A man whose very job description is to communicate with foreign nations is uncomfortable making eye contact with his own staff??????

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 89532e006c


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Not making eye contact is a sign of submissiveness on the part of the staff, which I think is what is going on.

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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:45 am

Addie wrote:LA Times - Editorial Board
Donald Trump's train-wreck presidency
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Note: to be followed by three additional articles these following days
The problem with Trump
A series of Times editorials

Our Dishonest President
Coming Monday
Coming Tuesday
Coming Wednesday

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Post by Addie » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:04 pm

New York Times - OpEd
Trump Needs a Brain ...

Because a core weakness of this White House, more devastating (for now) than the pugilistic tweets and permanent swirl of scandal, is the absence of anyone who seems to have thought through how one might translate Trumpism, the populist nationalism on which the president campaigned, into substantive policy on any specific issue except a temporary visa freeze.

The dearth of Trumpists in official Washington was always going to be a major problem for this administration, both in staffing the White House and in negotiating with Congress. But it’s been worse than anticipated, because Trump himself doesn’t know what he wants to do on major issues and there’s nobody in his innermost circle who seems to have a compelling vision that might guide him. ...

It was probably unreasonable to expect a sixtysomething whose life experience is all in media and Hollywood to suddenly turn into a one-man think tank, no matter how many French far-right agitators he name-drops. But a think tank is basically what Trump needs: a small brain trust committed to figuring out what parts of the mainstream G.O.P. vision he should support and what heterodoxies it makes sense for him to champion, so that he isn’t stuck governing on the Heritage Foundation’s austerity budgets while his friends outside the administration urge him to expand Medicaid. ...

All of this assumes that Trump cares about Trumpism as something more than a grift, and that he can accept advice and counsel in a sustained way, without changing his mind the instant someone makes a different case. As I said, it’s a deeply implausible idea.

But so is every solution to this White House’s struggles — and we’ve still got most of four years left to go.
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Post by DejaMoo » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:13 pm

Chilidog wrote:From the wapo article that the above link is based on
Most of his interactions are with an insular circle of political aides who are new to the State Department. Many career diplomats say they still have not met him, and some have been instructed not to speak to him directly – or even make eye contact.
Tell me that's not insane.

A man whose very job description is to communicate with foreign nations is uncomfortable making eye contact with his own staff??????

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 89532e006c


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That's not a matter of discomfort, but of arrogance. It's a demand typically made by celebrities about the 'little people' who work for/with them. In other words, dude thinks he's so far above his underlings, they shouldn't even deign to lift their eyes to him, much less their voices/opinions.
I've heard this bull before.

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Post by Suranis » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:21 pm

Reminds me of a chat show interview I saw once of this woman who said she used to work at a casino, and she was given instructions that she would never look at this particular Sheik who didn't like Women looking at him. The interviewer asked "Did he ever, uh *sexual innuendo face* look at you?" And she said "I have no idea, I never looked at him!"

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Post by Dan1100 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:24 pm

DejaMoo wrote: :snippity:

That's not a matter of discomfort, but of arrogance. It's a demand typically made by celebrities about the 'little people' who work for/with them. In other words, dude thinks he's so far above his underlings, they shouldn't even deign to lift their eyes to him, much less their voices/opinions.
Don't look at Mr. Jordan in the eyes.


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Post by DejaMoo » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:34 pm

Dan1100 wrote:
DejaMoo wrote: :snippity:

That's not a matter of discomfort, but of arrogance. It's a demand typically made by celebrities about the 'little people' who work for/with them. In other words, dude thinks he's so far above his underlings, they shouldn't even deign to lift their eyes to him, much less their voices/opinions.
Don't look at Mr. Jordan in the eyes.
One of the earliest reports of this diva behavior was documented in the book "Call her Miss Ross", the unauthorized bio of Diana Ross. It's now a routine demand of most major celebrities, even extending to their own personal assistants. They behave like imperious tyrants because nobody calls them on it.
I've heard this bull before.

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Post by TollandRCR » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:39 pm

When a person does not look at me in the eyes I suspect that person is lying. Most of the time, I just get out of the engagement.

I don't know the current state of research on what our eyes reveal about us. However, for some decades I have trusted what I see in the eyes more than what I hear in the ears.

Is this magical thinking?
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Post by listeme » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:46 pm

There are a lot of truthful people who don't look people in the eye, though. Autism spectrum, social anxiety (that's me!). (Neither of these account for Mr. Tillerson's oddities, as far as I know.)

Anyway, I rarely make eye contact, even with close trusted friends.
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Post by RVInit » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:49 pm

pipistrelle wrote:
Chilidog wrote:From the wapo article that the above link is based on
Most of his interactions are with an insular circle of political aides who are new to the State Department. Many career diplomats say they still have not met him, and some have been instructed not to speak to him directly – or even make eye contact.
Tell me that's not insane.

A man whose very job description is to communicate with foreign nations is uncomfortable making eye contact with his own staff??????

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 89532e006c


Holy Fuckamole!
Not making eye contact is a sign of submissiveness on the part of the staff, which I think is what is going on.
Apparently he believes he's a silver back. :roll:
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Post by RVInit » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:55 pm

In some ways I want this fucker to stay in office a full term, until he can be replaced by a Democrat. If he were replaced by Pence the Republicans would have 4 years (or whatever) in which to destroy everything we hold dear. Even though Trump provides distraction, it's been somewhat hard for Congress to achieve much of anything - especially the big stuff.
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Post by listeme » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:56 pm

RVInit wrote:In some ways I want this fucker to stay in office a full term, until he can be replaced by a Democrat. If he were replaced by Pence the Republicans would have 4 years (or whatever) in which to destroy everything we hold dear. Even though Trump provides distraction, it's been somewhat hard for Congress to achieve much of anything - especially the big stuff.
Except the nuke codes :crying: :crying: :crying:
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listeme wrote:
RVInit wrote:In some ways I want this fucker to stay in office a full term, until he can be replaced by a Democrat. If he were replaced by Pence the Republicans would have 4 years (or whatever) in which to destroy everything we hold dear. Even though Trump provides distraction, it's been somewhat hard for Congress to achieve much of anything - especially the big stuff.
Except the nuke codes :crying: :crying: :crying:
yeah, that's true, too. We are f'd either way.
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Post by Jim » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:30 pm

RVInit wrote:In some ways I want this fucker to stay in office a full term, until he can be replaced by a Democrat. If he were replaced by Pence the Republicans would have 4 years (or whatever) in which to destroy everything we hold dear. Even though Trump provides distraction, it's been somewhat hard for Congress to achieve much of anything - especially the big stuff.
I don't think the pubs will accomplish much of anything anyway...they are their own worse enemy.

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