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President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:07 pm
by MN-Skeptic
Ok, a meteorite did not strike him down and the Bible did not burst into flames. :crying:

I propose this thread for general stuff Trump does as President. I'm sure there will be plenty of other threads for individual scandals and controversies.

Re: President Trump - ShitGibbon-in-Chief

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:13 pm
by Mikedunford
I get that I'm not likely to get a lot of support on this, but - is the second half of the title necessary?

I spent a lot of the last eight years royally pissed off at all the Obummer and Obozo and similar bullshit that was being thrown around by the right. I'd like to think that we can oppose the shit out of POTUS and his new policies without having to do the same kind of thing. It really makes me uncomfortable to see it here.

Re: President Trump - ShitGibbon-in-Chief

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:17 pm
by Howard_Kahn
Mikedunford wrote:I get that I'm not likely to get a lot of support on this, but - is the second half of the title necessary?

I spent a lot of the last eight years royally pissed off at all the Obummer and Obozo and similar bullshit that was being thrown around by the right. I'd like to think that we can oppose the shit out of POTUS and his new policies without having to do the same kind of thing. It really makes me uncomfortable to see it here.
You got support from me. It immediately takes away credibility from the thread.

Re: President Trump - ShitGibbon-in-Chief

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:19 pm
by Slartibartfast
Mikedunford wrote:I get that I'm not likely to get a lot of support on this, but - is the second half of the title necessary?

I spent a lot of the last eight years royally pissed off at all the Obummer and Obozo and similar bullshit that was being thrown around by the right. I'd like to think that we can oppose the shit out of POTUS and his new policies without having to do the same kind of thing. It really makes me uncomfortable to see it here.
:like: :yeah: :like:

I didn't vote for him, but he's my president and I hope he does a good job.

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:22 pm
by MN-Skeptic
Can I at least call him Tweeter-In-Chief?

Re: President Trump - ShitGibbon-in-Chief

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:23 pm
by kate520
I have zero confidence the next four years will be anything but a clusterfuck of epic proportions, I will never release that wonderful sobriquet from my vocabulary, but for the sake of decorum and internet cred, I would agree.

We need at least a day to mourn, though.

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:25 pm
by TollandRCR
Thanks for the change of title.

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:31 pm
by Mikedunford
MN-Skeptic wrote:Can I at least call him Tweeter-In-Chief?
Thank you for the title change.

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:34 pm
by Slartibartfast
MN-Skeptic wrote:Can I at least call him Tweeter-In-Chief?
My rule of thumb is how would I feel if a birther said it about President Obama? (If the situation were reversed) "Tweeter-In-Chief", given President Trump's1 penchant for the Twitter machine, seems reasonable to me for more informal usages, but things like the title of a thread should show respect to the office. The right has shown for 8 years that they are poor losers, now they are showing themselves to be poor winners as well. I think the left should seize this opportunity to break the cycle, not to follow the precedents that the Republicans and the rest of the right have established.

Thanks for showing that we're better than the mindless partisanism that led to this point MN-Skeptic!
:thumbs:

  • 1. Yes, I just threw up in my mouth a little. :sick:

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:41 pm
by bob
I've always been a fan of just using the person's name, for clarity. Save the insults for the actual insult. ;)

I'm also not a big fan of titles. I wrote "President Obama" only to irk birthers. :evil:

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:48 pm
by Sluffy1
the last eight years royally pissed off at all the Obummer and Obozo and similar bullshit that was being thrown around by the right.
Well yeah, that's the reason they were saying Obummer and Obozo and similar bullshit.

So, let us be nice, PC and show respect and not call him names so we don't offend any deplorables.
Is Minority President Trump PC?

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:52 pm
by Slartibartfast
bob wrote:I've always been a fan of just using the person's name, for clarity. Save the insults for the actual insult. ;)

I'm also not a big fan of titles. I wrote "President Obama" only to irk birthers. :evil:
I've always tried to use the title "President" ever since I saw a certain West Wing episode, but I think the important thing is to be consistent. There are however, a couple of exceptions (Dick the War Criminal and Dick the Crook), but President Trump will have to earn that disrespect via his actions in office. I can totally understand your inconsistency in response to birthers, though.

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:53 pm
by RoadScholar
Those who abused and ridiculed Obama, who talked about "watering the tree of liberty" and "second amendment solutions" need to get a taste of how it feels to be on the receiving end of that behavior for a while.

But it doesn't have to be in a thread title. Agreed.

Except... how are we supposed to wish him well, to hope he does a good job, when he and the Republicans have signaled that they are not going to do exactly what they lambasted us for not doing: representing all of the people. When they are in the process of destroying many of the things we--- and in fact, a majority of the public--- hold dear? They are set to ram an extremist, minority agenda up our collecting noses.

How do you even try to work with that? Seriously, how?

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:54 pm
by Animal Mother
Well, I think that Trump is going to be a terrible president.

But I try to look on the bright side. He's likely better than Pence would be. And maybe once in awhile Trump will throw us a bone and reign in the Congressional leadership. Now those are some folks that are really reactionary and scary.

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:55 pm
by MN-Skeptic
I really adore Michelle Obama. I will keep in mind her "When they go low, we go high."

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:57 pm
by Flatpointhigh
APOLOGIES FOR THE SIZE

Via BoingBoing:
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Stolen from Twitter:
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Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:22 pm
by Slartibartfast
RoadScholar wrote:Those who abused and ridiculed Obama, who talked about "watering the tree of liberty" and "second amendment solutions" need to get a taste of how it feels to be on the receiving end of that behavior for a while.

But it doesn't have to be in a thread title. Agreed.

Except... how are we supposed to wish him well, to hope he does a good job, when he and the Republicans have signaled that they are not going to do exactly what they lambasted us for not doing: representing all of the people. They are in the process of destroying many of the things we--- and in fact, a majority of the public--- hold dear? They are set to ram an extremist, minority agenda up our collecting noses.

How do you even try to work with that? Seriously, how?
I think that there are two main responses that need to happen: articulate a clear alternative (which should be what the entire Democratic party campaigns on in the future) and hold them accountable for the effects of their policies. In other words, make it about integrity and the merits of policies.

I understand the desire for those who disrespected President Obama, the country, and rational discussion to get their comeuppance, but it is far more important, in my opinion, to simply marginalize them by providing an example that makes them look petty and inane. Why would I want to emulate them in any way?

In any case, we need to build something and lay the groundwork for 2018 and 2020---momentum for wave elections needs time and nurturing to grow.

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:27 pm
by RVInit
Slartibartfast wrote:
RoadScholar wrote:Those who abused and ridiculed Obama, who talked about "watering the tree of liberty" and "second amendment solutions" need to get a taste of how it feels to be on the receiving end of that behavior for a while.

But it doesn't have to be in a thread title. Agreed.

Except... how are we supposed to wish him well, to hope he does a good job, when he and the Republicans have signaled that they are not going to do exactly what they lambasted us for not doing: representing all of the people. They are in the process of destroying many of the things we--- and in fact, a majority of the public--- hold dear? They are set to ram an extremist, minority agenda up our collecting noses.

How do you even try to work with that? Seriously, how?
I think that there are two main responses that need to happen: articulate a clear alternative (which should be what the entire Democratic party campaigns on in the future) and hold them accountable for the effects of their policies. In other words, make it about integrity and the merits of policies.

I understand the desire for those who disrespected President Obama, the country, and rational discussion to get their comeuppance, but it is far more important, in my opinion, to simply marginalize them by providing an example that makes them look petty and inane. Why would I want to emulate them in any way?

In any case, we need to build something and lay the groundwork for 2018 and 2020---momentum for wave elections needs time and nurturing to grow.
:yeah:

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:33 pm
by GreatGrey
Right now the United States has no ambassadors. Anywhere.

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:38 pm
by RoadScholar
So you're discounting the Golden Rule Dope Slap? When people get their own behavior returned to them, and they can now see how it feels and maybe re-think doing it in the first place?

For example: I have (and will again) interjected into conversations with Right Wingers, "Well, you know, it's a good thing we still have those 'second amendment solutions,' like Sarah Palin talked about."

After I let them sputter a bit, I tell them "I wasn't serious... I in no way support violence against people in government, or anywhere. But how did it feel? That moment when someone implied a hypothetical assassination of your president, just like your guys did to ours?"

The Golden Rule sometimes needs a mirror.

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:51 pm
by Skip Intro
Trump steals image from Obama inauguration for his Twitter banner. Samantha Bee fixes it for him.

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Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:55 pm
by Slartibartfast
RoadScholar wrote:So you're discounting the Golden Rule Dope Slap? When people get their own behavior returned to them, and they can now see how it feels and maybe re-think doing it in the first place?

For example: I have (and will again) interjected into conversations with Right Wingers, "Well, you know, it's a good thing we still have those 'second amendment solutions,' like Sarah Palin talked about."

After I let them sputter a bit, I tell them "I wasn't serious... I in no way support violence against people in government, or anywhere. But how did it feel? That moment when someone implied a hypothetical assassination of your president, just like your guys did to ours?"

The Golden Rule sometimes needs a mirror.
Which in no way denigrates or baselessly disrespects anyone---it just shines a light on the hypocrisy. However, if you're giving them a taste of the disgusting behavior the birthers and their ilk have shown, the conversations will never get to that point, will they? Honestly, I think you just proved my point and that you are better than them at the same time. Nyah-nyah!

:towel:

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:55 pm
by Mikedunford
RoadScholar wrote:So you're discounting the Golden Rule Dope Slap? When people get their own behavior returned to them, and they can now see how it feels and maybe re-think doing it in the first place?

For example: I have (and will again) interjected into conversations with Right Wingers, "Well, you know, it's a good thing we still have those 'second amendment solutions,' like Sarah Palin talked about."

After I let them sputter a bit, I tell them "I wasn't serious... I in no way support violence against people in government, or anywhere. But how did it feel? That moment when someone implied a hypothetical assassination of your president, just like your guys did to ours?"

The Golden Rule sometimes needs a mirror.
I strongly doubt that very many people will recognize themselves without assistance, which typically requires a one-on-one discussion.

Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:56 pm
by Skip Intro
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Re: President Trump

Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:01 pm
by noblepa
RoadScholar wrote:So you're discounting the Golden Rule Dope Slap? When people get their own behavior returned to them, and they can now see how it feels and maybe re-think doing it in the first place?

For example: I have (and will again) interjected into conversations with Right Wingers, "Well, you know, it's a good thing we still have those 'second amendment solutions,' like Sarah Palin talked about."

After I let them sputter a bit, I tell them "I wasn't serious... I in no way support violence against people in government, or anywhere. But how did it feel? That moment when someone implied a hypothetical assassination of your president, just like your guys did to ours?"

The Golden Rule sometimes needs a mirror.
The trouble is, those people will never see or understand the hypocrisy. They will merely see your use of the phrase "second amendment solutions" as proof that that is the correct way to engage in political discourse. "Everybody does it".