POST VERDICT TERRY TRUSSELL DISCUSSION - THE AFTERMATH

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haatsie wrote:
Reality Check wrote:I have some post trial questions esp. for the lawyer types.
Why do you think the SA chose not to call any of the school board members? Was there a way to have gotten convictions on all counts without calling them? Do you think the State was willing to blow off those charges?
I'm new here, I've been lurking for a while. :bag:
I have an idea about why the SA didn't call on the school committee people. He was working pretty hard to keep the the trial focused on the charges and to avoid hot button topics. I.G. was trying the opposite. If the school committee had been included than common core would have been brought up; it's not a popular subject in a lot of circles. Ms G. would have wallowed in it and have had the opportunity to plant the seed in jurors minds that TT was just trying to save them, he was forced to do what he did, etc. I doubt the jury thought of the SA as the devil, so it didn't work there. But I'm willing to bet that at least some of the jurors could be convinced that common core is and it could have muddied the waters quite a bit. If that makes sense?
You could be on to something here. I noticed that IG really took advantage of bringing up Tea Party and Common Core as often as she could. Even though I thought she was not very effective most of the time, and inappropriate a great deal of the time, the single smart thing she did was to keep bringing up those two subjects. Chances are really good that there were at least one and probably more people on that jury who identify as Tea Party. And, I doubt there is a single Tea Party member that doesn't think Common Core is a Communist or Socialist agenda - they wallow in that kind of rhetoric.
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Forgive me if this has been posted elsewhere, but I found this on the website for the Miami Public Defender's office:

Sentencing

Sentencing is the stage at which the judge imposes punishment after a finding of guilt that resulted from a trial, or entry of a plea of guilty or no contest by the client. The judge may order the Florida Department of Corrections to prepare a pre-sentence investigation (PSI) report and postpone sentencing until after the report has been submitted and reviewed.

The PSI includes information about the case and circumstances of the crime, any prior criminal record, the client’s reputation in the community, education, employment, health and background of the client’s family. The PSI may also include the client’s lifestyle, behavior pattern and general attitude. When the PSI is completed, the defense attorney reviews it with the client and prepares for the sentencing hearing. The defense attorney can have doctors or other experts evaluate the client and prepare a sentencing report with recommendations to be presented to the judge.

The defense attorney should know in advance the names and addresses of people who want to speak at the sentencing hearing on behalf of the client. At the sentencing hearing, the client has a right to speak and have the defense attorney make a presentation. The judge then informs the client of the finding of guilt and imposes the sentence, which can range from suspending the sentence, or a probation term, to the maximum jail or prison time allowable by law. The judge can, and, in some cases must, require the client to pay restitution to the victim and attorney (public defender) fees and court costs.

In capital cases, the maximum sentence is death and the law provides for a sentencing process that involves jurors making a recommendation to the judge regarding whether to impose the death penalty. "

I imagine the process is similar in each county for the PSI. It says they will look into the "lifestyle, behavior pattern and general attitude" of the defendant, as well as reputation in the community, health, etc. With Trussell it's a mixed bag. But he's stayed mostly out of trouble. The prevalence of sovcit ideas and causes won't help him. The worst thing he could do is have a bunch of sovcits show up and proclaim his innocence while harping about the fringe on the flag, in my opinion. But that might just be what he does...

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Trussell should call GimmeMark as a character witness. Who else could do the job a tenth as well?
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There must be a terrible mistake. According to this site, Trussell was exonerated way back in June of 2015!

http://taskforceliberty.org/the-terry-t ... Oto4Q.dpbs

Since task farce liberty would never lie to us, I guess that means Trussell gets to walk free, right?

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Techno Luddite wrote:Forgive me if this has been posted elsewhere, but I found this on the website for the Miami Public Defender's office:

Sentencing

Sentencing is the stage at which the judge imposes punishment after a finding of guilt that resulted from a trial, or entry of a plea of guilty or no contest by the client. The judge may order the Florida Department of Corrections to prepare a pre-sentence investigation (PSI) report and postpone sentencing until after the report has been submitted and reviewed.

The PSI includes information about the case and circumstances of the crime, any prior criminal record, the client’s reputation in the community, education, employment, health and background of the client’s family. The PSI may also include the client’s lifestyle, behavior pattern and general attitude. When the PSI is completed, the defense attorney reviews it with the client and prepares for the sentencing hearing. The defense attorney can have doctors or other experts evaluate the client and prepare a sentencing report with recommendations to be presented to the judge.

The defense attorney should know in advance the names and addresses of people who want to speak at the sentencing hearing on behalf of the client. At the sentencing hearing, the client has a right to speak and have the defense attorney make a presentation. The judge then informs the client of the finding of guilt and imposes the sentence, which can range from suspending the sentence, or a probation term, to the maximum jail or prison time allowable by law. The judge can, and, in some cases must, require the client to pay restitution to the victim and attorney (public defender) fees and court costs.

In capital cases, the maximum sentence is death and the law provides for a sentencing process that involves jurors making a recommendation to the judge regarding whether to impose the death penalty. "

I imagine the process is similar in each county for the PSI. It says they will look into the "lifestyle, behavior pattern and general attitude" of the defendant, as well as reputation in the community, health, etc. With Trussell it's a mixed bag. But he's stayed mostly out of trouble. The prevalence of sovcit ideas and causes won't help him. The worst thing he could do is have a bunch of sovcits show up and proclaim his innocence while harping about the fringe on the flag, in my opinion. But that might just be what he does...
Terry could minimize his sentence by admitting his mistake and offering apologies to the victims. I think there is a good chance he does this, now that he's seen he has almost 0 support from the people who got him into this mess in the first place. Staying in lockup instead of trying to get bond would not be a bad idea either. It saves money and accrues time toward whatever sentence he gets. They might also count the month or so he spent as a living, breathing, ..., after his arraignment.

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Inger Garcia
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ok so home from a very corrupt trial - it is amazing......
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Vidurek says wasn't his deal.
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Some of you may have noticed that a posting was taken down. It had to do with Terry Trussell being found guilty in Dixie County Florida. The person alluded that the NLA was a factor in Terry's issue. This is untrue. Rodger Dowdell and Hagan Smith were the masterminds (Loose Term) of this problem for Terry and I explained this repeatedly. This person then posted the following as a smoking gun against the NLA: https://www.youtube.com/watch

This person claimed that NLA and John Darash were clearly mentioned by Terry during his trial and this is patently untrue. I went through all the recordings and it only confirms that Rodger Dowdell and Hagan Smith were his contributors.

Some may say that Rodger and Hagan were NLA, and that is true, WERE. At the time of Terry and his problems Rodger and Hagan had deviated from NLA and were seeking a faster route. This was how Terry became their victim. NLA disagreed and wished them well.

NLA offered to help Terry, but he refused as Rodger was getting him an attorney, as he should as he landed Terry in the predicament in the first place, and continued to pay until later but discontinued for some reason.

I asked Vicki Larson Briner, the original poster, to clarify which day and session, but she has failed to provide the smoking gun time. I listened to all of it and there is no mention, as there should not be, of NLA or John Darash.

Based on the testimony of Terry it would not surprise me if Rodger and Hagan get a phone call sometime soon.

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I've long thought that NLA were playing a game of doing just enough to keep the grift coming in the door, but being very careful to not make the same kinds of mistakes that have led to high levels of law enforcement attention that was focused on other sovereigns. For example, didn't the RuSA thing get federal attention when they wrote all the states' governors with veiled sovrun nonsense threats? I've seen similar language to this posted in this thread about the NLA before, where they get at odds with someone in the so-called liberty/patriot/fake legal grifter community over how aggressive that person wants to be. IIRC there was some comment about that with regard to the fake judges in the Malheur thing. And prior stuff with Dowdell et al as well.

But at root of it, they're all peddling the same nonsense, with different though equally unfruitful paths to application of the nonsense. Vidurek/Darash is probably to blame for the repopularization of the idea that common law grand juries can be somehow appropriate under the laws of the US and the States. So, from my perspective, he gets some of the blame for Terry Trussell's flight of stupidity.

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LOL Vidurek was quick to respond to this, he knows law enforcement is on to him as well.

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Techno Luddite wrote:I've long thought that NLA were playing a game of doing just enough to keep the grift coming in the door, but being very careful to not make the same kinds of mistakes that have led to high levels of law enforcement attention that was focused on other sovereigns. For example, didn't the RuSA thing get federal attention when they wrote all the states' governors with veiled sovrun nonsense threats? I've seen similar language to this posted in this thread about the NLA before, where they get at odds with someone in the so-called liberty/patriot/fake legal grifter community over how aggressive that person wants to be. IIRC there was some comment about that with regard to the fake judges in the Malheur thing. And prior stuff with Dowdell et al as well.

But at root of it, they're all peddling the same nonsense, with different though equally unfruitful paths to application of the nonsense. Vidurek/Darash is probably to blame for the repopularization of the idea that common law grand juries can be somehow appropriate under the laws of the US and the States. So, from my perspective, he gets some of the blame for Terry Trussell's flight of stupidity.
Vidurek was all about making fake grand juries so they could indite public officials they don't like. He wanted the keys to the courthouses, and Terry was doing exactly what Vidurek said people should do. Once Terry got arrested, Vidurek changed his story to say NLA is an "educational" organization.

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Turtle wrote:
Techno Luddite wrote:I've long thought that NLA were playing a game of doing just enough to keep the grift coming in the door, but being very careful to not make the same kinds of mistakes that have led to high levels of law enforcement attention that was focused on other sovereigns. For example, didn't the RuSA thing get federal attention when they wrote all the states' governors with veiled sovrun nonsense threats? I've seen similar language to this posted in this thread about the NLA before, where they get at odds with someone in the so-called liberty/patriot/fake legal grifter community over how aggressive that person wants to be. IIRC there was some comment about that with regard to the fake judges in the Malheur thing. And prior stuff with Dowdell et al as well.

But at root of it, they're all peddling the same nonsense, with different though equally unfruitful paths to application of the nonsense. Vidurek/Darash is probably to blame for the repopularization of the idea that common law grand juries can be somehow appropriate under the laws of the US and the States. So, from my perspective, he gets some of the blame for Terry Trussell's flight of stupidity.
Vidurek was all about making fake grand juries so they could indite public officials they don't like. He wanted the keys to the courthouses, and Terry was doing exactly what Vidurek said people should do. Once Terry got arrested, Vidurek changed his story to say NLA is an "educational" organization.
I remember that, but I also remember prior scaredy-cat language from him about how dangerous the approach of task farce liberty was. Isn't that Dowdell's organization? I may be misremembering things, but that is what my sometimes faulty grey matter is telling me.

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Turtle wrote: Vidurek was all about making fake grand juries so they could indite public officials they don't like. He wanted the keys to the courthouses, and Terry was doing exactly what Vidurek said people should do. Once Terry got arrested, Vidurek changed his story to say NLA is an "educational" organization.
Correct. Trussell had bought the garbage hook, line and sinker. He followed Vidurek's magic plan in all respects. Most important was holding his vigilante meeting in a courthouse. That was the mojo that made everything real. He then filed his nonsense True Bills, exactly as Vidurek instructed. And used the True Bills to extort officials to do his bidding. Entirely Vidurek's playbook. But when Trussell got arrested it turned out that we have always been at war with Eastasia.

He of the swirly signature ran away as fast as he could. And his stupefyingly dumb cult followers swallowed every false lie.

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Techno Luddite wrote:
Turtle wrote:
Techno Luddite wrote:I've long thought that NLA were playing a game of doing just enough to keep the grift coming in the door, but being very careful to not make the same kinds of mistakes that have led to high levels of law enforcement attention that was focused on other sovereigns. For example, didn't the RuSA thing get federal attention when they wrote all the states' governors with veiled sovrun nonsense threats? I've seen similar language to this posted in this thread about the NLA before, where they get at odds with someone in the so-called liberty/patriot/fake legal grifter community over how aggressive that person wants to be. IIRC there was some comment about that with regard to the fake judges in the Malheur thing. And prior stuff with Dowdell et al as well.

But at root of it, they're all peddling the same nonsense, with different though equally unfruitful paths to application of the nonsense. Vidurek/Darash is probably to blame for the repopularization of the idea that common law grand juries can be somehow appropriate under the laws of the US and the States. So, from my perspective, he gets some of the blame for Terry Trussell's flight of stupidity.
Vidurek was all about making fake grand juries so they could indite public officials they don't like. He wanted the keys to the courthouses, and Terry was doing exactly what Vidurek said people should do. Once Terry got arrested, Vidurek changed his story to say NLA is an "educational" organization.
I remember that, but I also remember prior scaredy-cat language from him about how dangerous the approach of task farce liberty was. Isn't that Dowdell's organization? I may be misremembering things, but that is what my sometimes faulty grey matter is telling me.
Yeah, he came out against those splinter groups like in FL, CO, maybe a couple other state groups because:
- they were attracting the wrong kind of attention to Vidurek
- they were competing with Vidurek for donations
- they questioned Vidurek and his inner circle on their abilities

Before Task Force Liberty, Dowdell was part of the NLA state group for FL, but they went rogue and eventually he formed the new group.

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I'm pretty sure "The NLA Plan" changed dramatically around the time Terry Trussell got arrested.

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A few years back, when that mess was starting, I used to troll a certain website. The NLA goons were pumping the shtick big time there. They were advertising for new members in each state and talking a whole load of shit about how great and powerful it was going to be. And I warned them that someone would end up prosecuted under some state's laws against simulating legal process. I guess they didn't listen to me. :shrug:

But I am sure that twonames is getting legal advice from someone who is telling him NOT to do certain things. I am also sure that he has gotten far more attention than he expected and Trussell is a really bad sign for his organization (if you can call a set of fax machines an organization).

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Amazing, Ingie dingie got one thing, at least, right, although NOT for the reason she claims. The trial was corrupted by her and her client, and well a few of their witnesses.

TT was the poster child for Johnny Two Names fantasy, and as was pointed out, was following it to the letter, until it exploded in his, and their faces, then all of a sudden they never heard of him and they were a knitteling society.
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No matte how much Vidurek back pedals and hits the delete button and scrubs, the evidence of his involvement remains, everywhere!

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Patagoniagirl wrote:No matte how much Vidurek back pedals and hits the delete button and scrubs, the evidence of his involvement remains, everywhere!
The meeting I went to, put on by Dowdell when he was still a member, was all about the NLA, join the NLA, contribute to the NLA. The propaganda they passed out was printed by the NLA. Although Trussell had been arrested (the first time), he still bragged him up as the hero who was going to prove them all right.
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Techno Luddite wrote:There must be a terrible mistake. According to this site, Trussell was exonerated way back in June of 2015!

http://taskforceliberty.org/the-terry-t ... Oto4Q.dpbs

Since task farce liberty would never lie to us, I guess that means Trussell gets to walk free, right?
Would love to see Dowdell tap dancing to this.
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I wonder how many of Trussell's "friends and supporters" have contacted or visited him since he was led off in handcuffs?

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Trussell? Never heard of him.
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Slim Cognito wrote:
Techno Luddite wrote:There must be a terrible mistake. According to this site, Trussell was exonerated way back in June of 2015!

http://taskforceliberty.org/the-terry-t ... Oto4Q.dpbs

Since task farce liberty would never lie to us, I guess that means Trussell gets to walk free, right?
Would love to see Dowdell tap dancing to this.
To cross examine Dowdell about all of this would be so much win!

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You can write it for Dowdell and all the sovshit goofballs... It was a demonstration of how deep the corruption flows and just how badly we need a CLGJ...Freedumb is dead or dying. Send money. Lots of money.

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Plutodog wrote:You can write it for Dowdell and all the sovshit goofballs... It was a demonstration of how deep the corruption flows and just how badly we need a CLGJ...Freedumb is dead or dying. Send money. Lots of money.

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How bout if I just fax the money?

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Thought you'd all appreciate this.

Remember The Highlands Tea Party Tuesday meetings at Homer's Smorgasbord, and that Trussell was scheduled to speak about his ordeal June 28?
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