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Post by Kriselda Gray » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:39 am

We need the Wiki-Birther that Doc C and Foggy were talkign about building last year.I've got the framework for one set up, but am having a hellacious time trying to figure out how to get all the wiki formatting going. If anyone's interested in helping out - or maybe even coordinating the Wiki aspect of it (I also want to have a forum - specifically for discussing stuff that is or should be contained in the Wiki - not general discussions of bithers and other hatriot topics) gimme a yell!
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Post by TollandRCR » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:06 pm

Yes, Loren, there is the Linda Starr of California, definite birther, and the Linda Sue "Starr" Belcher of Castroville, TX...believe it or not.Wasn't there a Linda Starr messed up in the whole Monica Lewinsky thing, too? Or am I just starting to go crazy from birther overload?That might have been Lucianne Goldberg. [link]Lucianne.com,http://www.lucianne.com/[/link] is most definitely anti-Obama, but I would not characterize it as being a Birfer blog. Some comments are from Birfers, but more commonly they are of [link]this nature,http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=521169[/link]:Reply 22 - Posted by: RepublicanGopher, 2/6/2010 4:47:15 PM (No. 6250642)The Birther movement is the Obama supporter's favorite thing in the world. It's why the liberal press loves to bring it up over and over. They want MORE Birthers. It's the gift that keeps on giving. If you're a Birther (because you were dropped on your head as a child, or you're just not very bright) Obama and his supporters thank you from the bottom of their sinister little hearts.
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Post by Estiveo » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:50 pm

Wasn't there a Linda Starr messed up in the whole Monica Lewinsky thing, too? Or am I just starting to go crazy from birther overload?Perhaps your memory is making a portmanteau of Linda Tripp and Kenneth Starr? (God, I'd hate to see THAT love child)
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Post by Foggy » Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:53 pm

We need the Wiki-Birther that Doc C and Foggy were talkign about building last year.I've got the framework for one set up, but am having a hellacious time trying to figure out how to get all the wiki formatting going. If anyone's interested in helping out - or maybe even coordinating the Wiki aspect of it (I also want to have a forum - specifically for discussing stuff that is or should be contained in the Wiki - not general discussions of bithers and other hatriot topics) gimme a yell!Please don't reinvent the wheel. Take a look at [link]what we actually put together so far,http://wiki.obamafringe.com/index.php[/link] and then contact Doc to contribute further. I find I don't have time or inclination to build a wiki, but if anyone does, we have a good start on it.
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Post by Kriselda Gray » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:32 am

Wasn't there a Linda Starr messed up in the whole Monica Lewinsky thing, too? Or am I just starting to go crazy from birther overload?Perhaps your memory is making a portmanteau of Linda Tripp and Kenneth Starr? (God, I'd hate to see THAT love child)Yep! That's exactly what I did! LOL
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Post by Estiveo » Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:48 am

Aaaaand DaveMuckey shows my mental image of Linda Tripp. :lol:
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Post by LM K » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:43 am

But I'm getting more confused now between Berg's Linda Starr and the possibility that she's not the Rathergate Linda Starr. John Avlon certainly thinks they're the same. When a 'Linda Starr' posted anti-Obama stuff at [/break1]noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/28/vote-obama-or-else-guess-again/]NoQuarter, she linked to lindastarr.us, which had extensive defense of the Rathergate documents.Well... I do know that the Obamacrimes Linda Starr repeatedly claimed that she was the Rathergate Linda Starr in posts on Obamacrimes itself.





At the time of the Killian Memos, she was working with Bev Conover at the [/break1]com/]Online Journal, so when we were first trying to out Starr's real identity, I contacted Conover and asked if she had any contact information for Linda Starr that she could share with me. She responded, no. She had cut off contact with Starr after she (Starr) had jumped into the Birther thing with Phil Berg.





So yeah... I am myself quite certain that they are the same woman.I know it has been a while since this was discussed, but I have a question. I am reading "Wingnuts" by John Avlon. He states this on pg 197:





A Clinton supporter from Texas known as Linda Starr was particularly fired up by what she later told me was “the daily misogynistic hate speech against Hillary” during the primaries. As a Democratic precinct captain in Medina County, Starr had volunteered for the Clinton campaign during the hotly contested June Lone Star State primary and served as a Clinton delegate at the state convention. But Starr’s real talent was as an amateur opposition researcher—she’d dug up dirt against Republican congressional leaders like Dan Burton and Bob Livingston during the Clinton impeachment hearings in the late 1990s. She was also cited as a key source for CBS’ discredited election year investigation into George W. Bush’s National Guard records that led to Dan Rather’s replacement after 24 years as the evening news anchor. [link]H/T for typing this paragraph,http://confrontaal.org/wordpress/?p=3348[/link].





At [link]Online Journal,http://onlinejournal.com/bush/011105Con ... nover.html[/link] (linked to above by Epec, and below by me):





Call it small potatoes, but on page 59 of their long awaited report, they wrote: “On Monday, August 23, [CBS Producer Mary] Mapes learned that Lieutenant Colonel Burkett was rumored to have important documents regarding the President’s TexANG service. Paul Lukasiak, who operates a website on which he posts disparaging analyses of President Bush’s TexANG service, told Mapes that another blogger, Linda Starr, had seen new TexANG documents regarding President Bush. Starr hosts a website that recently contained the slogan, ‘Bush lied, Americans died,’ and is the editor of Online Journal, an online newsletter often critical of President Bush.”





First wrong fact:Linda L. Starr is an Online Journal assistant editor whose work mainly involves research, compiling the news alerts sent to the Online Journal Mailing List and appearing as a guest on various radio and webcast programs. A minor point perhaps, but Starr doesn’t receive any pay for her efforts on behalf of Online Journal. Yes, Starr has her own blog, which has nothing to do with Online Journal. Moreover, yours truly is the editor and publisher of Online Journal, and I am a journalist and former newspaper editor.The OC Linda Starr's real name is Linda Sue Belcher. This must mean that Avlon is wrong? Am I correct?





When Avalon writes about Linda Sue (Starr) Belcher, his only 2 sources are:





1) Linda Sue Belcher


2) [link]The CBS Investigation Report,http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/ ... Report.pdf[/link] From the CBS report"





On November 4, 2000, three days before the 2000 presidential election, Lieutenant Colonel Burkett's allegations of President Bush's scrubbed TexANG files were reported on the Internet by anti-Bush activists Linda Starr and Bev Conover of the Online JournalYou can search the pdf for "Starr" to find more info about her involvement in the report.





Is Avlon wrong? Has Berg's Linda Sue (Starr) Belcher lied and impersonated the Linda L Starr that was involved with the Killian papers??? He appears to just take LSB's word that she is the Linda L Starr discussed in the CBS report.





Epec, you state:





She had cut off contact with Starr after she (Starr) had jumped into the Birther thing with Phil Berg.Might Bev Conover have meant that Linda L Starr became a birfer who was following Berg's lawsuits? Are you able to recheck your email? Would you be able to ask Conover if Linda L Starr is Linda Sue (Starr) Belcher?





While this all happened a few years ago, LSB doesn't travel. She was adamant that she would not travel to PA to fight Berg because her anxiety disorder (she has agoraphobia) and other health problems keep her fairly housebound. How could she have unraveled the Killian paper thing from nowhere, TX when she doesn't even leave her home on a regular basis? The internet is great, but 6 years ago it would have been harder to research online like we are able to now. The docs used to track GWBushes ANG service mat have never been posted online.





I wrote [link]this,http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtop ... 64#p153264[/link] on Wed:





For those who missed her act back then and would care to dip into the deepest sort of madness, I have a simple textfile where she addresses several of the current PJ members ...Is there a shred of truth to her claim that she dug out Republican corruption for a decade?Absolutely not. Linda is full of shit. She also claims to have motivated Berg to sue Bush and Cheney for 9/11.





Like all the players in birferstan, Linda is mentally ill. Later I will share more about my exploits with LSB. I don't know if she has caught the few comments that I have made here outing my birfer persona Tina Conner, a nice uber Christian woman homeschooling her 2 sons and looking into living off the grid because the gubermint was too damn scary. LSB liked Tina, and Tina learned some things about LSB. She claims to have been raped by GWBush when he was governor. She uncovered the Kilian papers (we knew that before Tina milked LSB for info). She uncovered the "truth" about 9/11. Her works has been so astonishing that she has to protect her identity. And on and on and on.





snip.....The above Online Journal quote is a response to the CBS report.
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Post by LM K » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:07 pm

Trying to keep the LSB identity and Killian papers conversation in one spot.





[link]For those who missed her act,http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtop ... 74#p154474[/link]back then and would care to dip into the deepest sort of madness, I have a simple textfile where she addresses several of the current PJ members ...Is there a shred of truth to her claim that she dug out Republican corruption for a decade?Thanks. It is very hard to see how a woman who is effectively confined to her house (her trailer?), who claims to be very poor, and who is in poor physical and mental health could have done very much on the ANG fiasco or anything else. Her self-importance remains me a lot of Schalice, but unfortunately Shalice does get around, if only in the vehicle of death or the socialist trains. I linked to an affidavit below that will get you up to speed on the OC break-up and about LSB.





LSB lives in a house, but it is very, very rundown in a remote part of TX. She lives with her boyfriend here:





http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu34 ... sHouse.jpg





LSB is seriously poor. She has mentioned that online in the past. Sharon has the benefit of coming from a really wealthy family. LSB does not. But they share the same pathological need for attention, for notoriety and for passive-aggressive bitchiness.





The idea that LSB could break open the Killian papers when her life circumstances are so poor seems impossible to me. She has explained a history of agoraphobia, although I don't know if that is a problem now. As LSB has mentioned in her legal filings, Phil has been her lawyer in the past. He was helping her to keep from losing the above home in foreclosure.





LSB has spoken several times about how she had the media surrounding her home 24/7 at times because of the stories she has broken. How could Berg's Linda Starr research such major information from her home?


That said, the Killian papers story was in 1995. Perhaps she lived elsewhere and was in better health.





LSB could never produce evidence that she knew more about Obama than what was easily found online and in his book. She always claimed that she and Berg had evidence that would get Obama arrested, impeached, deported, bla, bla, bla. But no evidence ever surfaced. If it existed, it would have been leaked in Liberi v Taitz long ago. LSB would have given it (or knowledge that Berg had such evidence) to Orly, who would have charged Berg with hiding such evidence.





Interestingly, [link]lgstarr,http://lgstarr.blogspot.com/[/link] links to Berg's site for the March on Washington that is supposed to be rescheduled. She also links to Orly's site. If this were Berg's Linda Sue Belcher, would she, at this time, be linking to OC? She is being sued by him.





From [link]Online Journal,http://onlinejournal.com/bush/011105Con ... nover.html[/link], which I posted [link]here,http://www.politijab.com/phpBB3/viewtop ... 38#p154438[/link]:


[link]Paul Lukasiak,http://www.glcq.com/me.htm[/link], (Embedded Lukasiak addy added by me) who operates a website on which he posts disparaging analyses of President Bush’s TexANG service, told Mapes that another blogger, Linda Starr, had seen new TexANG documents regarding President Bush. Starr hosts a website that recently contained the slogan, ‘Bush lied, Americans died,’ and is the editor of Online Journal, an online newsletter often critical of President Bush.”





First wrong fact: Linda L. Starr is an Online Journal assistant editor whose work mainly involves research, compiling the news alerts sent to the Online Journal Mailing List and appearing as a guest on various radio and webcast programs.So, Linda compiles info. Well Belcher could do that from home.





About the Killian papers and Online Journal. Online Journal did publish this [link]report,http://www.onlinejournal.com/bush/11040 ... nover.html[/link].


When the papers were shown to be fake (in they eyes of many), Online Journal [link]responded,http://onlinejournal.com/bush/011105Con ... nover.html[/link]:





This time, it would seem that Rove used an intermediary to do his dirty work—the mysterious Lucy Ramirez (mentioned on pages 35 and 200 of the report), whom no one can find and was said to have left the country—armed her with authentic documents and sicced her on Burkett. Thinking he had to protect her identity, Burkett initially lied to Mapes about the source of the documents, telling her he had received them from Chief Warrant Officer George Conn, another former Texas National Guardsman (page 18 of the report). It worked like a charm: Burkett, 60 Minutes, Rather, Mapes, Howard, West, Murphy and, above all, the documents were discredited.





snip.....





In addition, Rove and CBS’ chosen panel of Thornburgh and Boccardi are seeking to discredit Online Journal, which had no part in the 60 Minutes segment and no knowledge of the documents Burkett delivered, and all journalists laboring on the web to do what the corporate media won’t: tell the American people the truth of what is going on. In that endeavor, though, they have cut their own throats by embracing right-wing bloggers and online publications that are pro-Bush, denigrating those of us who are anti-Bush—and anti both Democrats and Republicans who are going along with illegal wars, torture and the destruction of our freedoms. Nothing like trying to have it both ways, eh?





snip.....





What all the corporate media are forgetting while getting their jollies over what many have dubbed as “Rathergate” is the number of times the White House and Bush claimed to have released all his service records, only to have discovered more records. These are the same corporate media who bought into every utterance of the Swift Boat Veterans without batting an eye or checking the validity of their allegations about John Kerry’s Vietnam service.





snip.....





That is the document that Starr told Mapes that she understood Burkett had, even though she had never seen it, either.





While Starr and I have had numerous contacts with Burkett over the years, neither she nor I or anyone else connected with Online Journal saw the Killian documents or had any knowledge of or input into what he told 60 Minutes, because if we had, we would have counseled Burkett that you never lie to the press, even to protect a source; that you protect a source by refusing to disclose his or her identity and if that is unacceptable to a reporter, editor or producer, then that information or documents provided by that source is omitted from the interview.So, Conover of Online Journal claims that Starr or the Online Journal never saw the Killian papers. If this is the case, then Starr just compiled info but didn't break the case. So, regardless of which Linda Starr this was, it doesn't appear that she hunted these papers down and broke the story. I think that OJ was just one of the firsts to know and report on the scrubbed records. I didn't read the 234 page report. But OJ is only mentioned on 2 or 3 pages. So, even if it was Berg's LStarr that worked at OJ, she didn't discover the papers. But perhaps someone else can make more sense of this than I can.





Why in the world would LSB go to work with Berg if she did have the contacts that she had??? She was never a paid employee at OJ, but she never claimed to be working for $ with Berg. This is why I think LSB is full of shit. If she had the connections she claimed to have, why was she working full-time with Berg on an issue that the Dems and Repubs believed to be utter crap?





Regarding the OC fiasco:





Kat who was at OC, submitted an [link]affidavit,[/link] for Liberi v Taitz. She states:





The poster went on further to state that Linda had posted under the name Linda L. Starr and claimed to have done all the research on Rather Gate. The real Linda Starr was a Junior Editor verified at [/break1]thereporter.com/ci]http://www.thereporter.com/ci 11885623? … viewed. The real Linda Starr was believed to have resided in Vallejo CA and died in an Auto accident March 11th 2009, see EXHIBIT “6”. I removed this post just 2 hrs after it happened.So, Kat doesn't believe that Linda Sue Belcher is the Rathergate Linda L Starr. I am going to assume that Berg doesn't believe them to be the same.





So, was it Linda Sue Belcher who was involved with the Killian papers?





Was it the Linda L Starr from CA? Did this LLStarr work for Online Journal?





Or was there a 3rd LLStart that was the one who worked For Online Journal?





I HAZ A CONFUSED!





WHICH LINDA STARR IS BERG'S LINDA BELCHER? :shock: :shock:





It interests me that people with this much personal trouble and this kind of history of hatred and lying continue to remain active in RWNJ and Birfer movements. I would have thought that her record of utter failure would have driven her from the field long ago, but these people never seem to go away. Polarik/Polland came out of his well-deserved obscurity fighting, for example. The only explanation that I can imagine is that many RWNJ and Birfers are seriously mentally ill. Moreover, they feed each others' illnesses. And most of them seem to be utterly alone. For all I know, that is effectively true for Orly, except for Dear Evelyn and Black Female Army Captain. Were it not for the Internet, I suspect many of them would be chasing neighbors' kids off their lawn and scowling at anyone who looked at them in the grocery store. The ability for almost anyone to deposit poop on the Internet is looking to be a very mixed blessing.You are correct. Many of the public players in birferstan show at least a few of the the below symptoms; some show all:





Narcissism


Grandiosity


Paranoia


Difficulty maintaining relationships


Pathological need for attention


Difficulties with emotional regulation


Personal (emotional) isolation (some show physical isolation as well)


Mood disturbances


Financial problems


Willingness to severe relationships for public attention


Ability to manipulate those more fragile than themselves into giving $ and time





We see these symptoms in most who take on leadership roles in any fringe movement.
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Post by Epectitus » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:40 am

LM K,I am on a second laptop since I first contacted Bev Conover, so I cannot find the original e-mail exchange IO had with her where she informed me that she and Linda Starr had parted ways over Starr's Birthism. I will see if she will confirm that her star is LSB and get back with you.It has always been my opinion that LSB's claims of centrality in the Beckwith Memo's were exaggerated. While she certainly was involved, I do not believe her participation was any more extensive than being a middleman contacted by the forgers because she already had an anti-Bush blog going. It was probably the (near_ random circumstance that generated her self-conception as an a force to be reckoned with.I will let you know what (or if) Conover tells me.
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LM K,I am on a second laptop since I first contacted Bev Conover, so I cannot find the original e-mail exchange IO had with her where she informed me that she and Linda Starr had parted ways over Starr's Birthism. I will see if she will confirm that her star is LSB and get back with you.It has always been my opinion that LSB's claims of centrality in the Beckwith Memo's were exaggerated. While she certainly was involved, I do not believe her participation was any more extensive than being a middleman contacted by the forgers because she already had an anti-Bush blog going. It was probably the (near_ random circumstance that generated her self-conception as an a force to be reckoned with.I will let you know what (or if) Conover tells me. :-* :-* Thanks, Epec!
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Umm, so if you're against handcuffing women, why is the spam link in your signature about selling us handcuffs? :lol: I'll leave this one up for half a day for the humor value, but sadly, yard1 is a spammer.
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Post by kate520 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:08 pm

If not for the sig, I'd say this was the work of the mighty Suranis!But thanks for reviving this thread. It's time to revisit some of this stuff.
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Post by LindainTX » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:27 pm

LOL In the upper right hand corner that picture says this house is 242 Paris St. Thus far all the speculation is just that, wild speculation. No one here cares about the truth. And you don't even follow your own forum rules.

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Post by realist » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:37 pm

LOL In the upper right hand corner that picture says this house is 242 Paris St. Thus far all the speculation is just that, wild speculation. No one here cares about the truth. And you don't even follow your own forum rules.A concept with which you should be very familiar. :P
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Post by ducktape » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:37 pm

LOL In the upper right hand corner that picture says this house is 242 Paris St. Thus far all the speculation is just that, wild speculation. No one here cares about the truth. And you don't even follow your own forum rules.WTF are you talking about?
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Post by verbalobe » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:38 pm

Who cares more about the truth - the person who stands in the schoolyard chanting "nyah nyah nyah, I know the truth and I'm not teeeeeeellling!" - or the person who ignores that person?





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Post by raicha » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:45 pm

LOL In the upper right hand corner that picture says this house is 242 Paris St. Thus far all the speculation is just that, wild speculation. No one here cares about the truth. And you don't even follow your own forum rules.Which would be a snappy comeback if you weren't replying to a post that is a year old.If you would care to explain what forum rule you are talking about and how that relates to you, the mysterious LindainTX, I will review your complaint wearing my mod hat.

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Edit: Deleted personal insults to another member. raicha
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Post by LindainTX » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:31 am

LOL In the upper right hand corner that picture says this house is 242 Paris St. Thus far all the speculation is just that, wild speculation. No one here cares about the truth. And you don't even follow your own forum rules.Which would be a snappy comeback if you weren't replying to a post that is a year old.If you would care to explain what forum rule you are talking about and how that relates to you, the mysterious LindainTX, I will review your complaint wearing my mod hat.I didn't see it before and didn't realize it was an old post. People seem to think I have been all over this site, when I haven't. I have very serious injuries from that car accident nearly four years ago. I am taking pretty heavy medication for pain. Raicha, in violation of the rules here, I am bashed all the time, not to mention it is a violation of the rules to use members real names. I was told to never use the names or other identifying information of any members here, which is why I made a point to only use initials. I have complained quite a few times, to no avail. I would appreciate anything you are willing to do about it Raicha. Thank you in advance. I am having surgery so I won't be around much.

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Post by LindainTX » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:40 am

LOL In the upper right hand corner that picture says this house is 242 Paris St. Thus far all the speculation is just that, wild speculation. No one here cares about the truth. And you don't even follow your own forum rules.WTF are you talking about?
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Post by Somerset » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:59 am

Which would be a snappy comeback if you weren't replying to a post that is a year old.If you would care to explain what forum rule you are talking about and how that relates to you, the mysterious LindainTX, I will review your complaint wearing my mod hat.Raicha, in violation of the rules here, I am bashed all the time, not to mention it is a violation of the rules to use members real names. I was told to never use the names or other identifying information of any members here, which is why I made a point to only use initials. I have complained quite a few times, to no avail. I would appreciate anything you are willing to do about it Raicha. Thank you in advance. I'm sure raicha will have a more thorough reply, but in the interest of brevity I'd point out that this rule applies to members. Everyone else in the public eye is fair game. You joined in December of 2010, and the post is from July of 2010, so at the time of the post anyone here was free to use your real name.I am having surgery so I won't be around much.Best of luck, Linda. Take care.

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Post by Suranis » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:12 am

If not for the sig, I'd say this was the work of the mighty Suranis!But thanks for reviving this thread. It's time to revisit some of this stuff. :shock: http://i.somethingawful.com/u/elpintogr ... _1.jpgGood luck with your surgery Linda.
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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:02 pm

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Post by BFB » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:12 pm

Good. I didn't think anyone did which makes me feel better about karma being a bitch, but, oh how I would love to be a fly on some walls...ya'll have a good weekend.Gosh and golly! Does someone else have a dastardly plan for all those ebil Obots?? -xx

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