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Iraqi Crowds Erupt in Joyous Celebrations as PM, elected under Bush Constitution, Offers to Resign
Juan Cole 11/30/2019 https://www.juancole.com/2019/11/celebr ... ution.html
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AFP Arabic reports that Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdulmahdi said Friday he would tender his resignation this weekend after five weeks of massive protests throughout Iraq.

Huge crowds of demonstrators throughout Baghdad broke into raucous celebrations at the news, the local stringers for AFP report. Some interviewees among them, however, said that while Abdulmahdi’s departure would be a good first step, it was only the beginning of needed changes. The demonstrators have been demanding an end to corruption and the provision of services.
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Iraq suffers from political gridlock and corruption in part because of the way the Bush administration rebuilt the government after the US launched a war of aggression and militarily occupied the country for 8.5 years. A handful of parties that were willing to ally with Bush have dominated politics ever since, and the Iraqi constitution produced under American rule all but guarantees a series of hung parliaments and a tyranny of the majority. The victorious parties practice a spoils system, capturing cabinet ministries and filling these departments with their own party hacks.

Iraq’s oil sales receipts since 2005 are estimated to have been at least $500 billion, but the national treasury is empty and all that money seems to have been embezzled. Although Iraq is an oil state, when I was in Baghdad a few years ago I found it run down and dowdy, with few new buildings and nothing like the vast array of gleaming skyscrapers that adorn Doha and Dubai.
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Dozens of people stormed the compound of the US Embassy in Iraq on Tuesday in response to American airstrikes that killed dozens of fighters from an Iran-backed militia group.

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White House Press Sec. Grisham says the president is receiving regular updates from his national security team, and "it will be the president’s choice how and when we respond to their escalation."
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how and when we respond to their escalation
It's probably a spur of the moment remark, but why would you characterize the brick and bottle throwing as an escalation? We are the ones carrying out airstrikes, after all.

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PaulG wrote:
Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:27 pm
It's probably a spur of the moment remark, but why would you characterize the brick and bottle throwing as an escalation? We are the ones carrying out airstrikes, after all.
Much of the US policy involving Iran comes down to US emotional needs. This is an escalation because protesting and and attacking a US embassy looks bad and does not show the proper subservient/grateful attitude that conservatives believe the people in Iraq should demonstrate, and Iran failing to roll over and meekly submit after the airstrikes.

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The Pentagon has banned congressional travel to Iraq and Syria over the holidays amid concerns about regional instability.
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They STILL haven't built any statues of George W. Bush. If that isn't escalation, what is?

Oh wait, sorry, he was just someone who made coffee occasionally. They need to build statues of Trump! :dance:
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U.S. embassy in Baghdad suspends consular operations: statement https://reut.rs/2QdDxkg
The U.S. Embassy in Baghdad said on Wednesday that all public consular operations were suspended, a day after Iran-backed militias and their supporters stormed its outer perimeter, setting fires, throwing rocks and smashing surveillance cameras.

“Due to militia attacks at the U.S. Embassy compound, all public consular operations are suspended until further notice. All future appointments are canceled. U.S. citizens are advised to not approach the embassy,” it said in a statement.
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Confirmed from multiple sources from PMF and Iraqi military: A drone strike killed PMF head of protocol Mohammed Ridha along with two PMF employees and “guests” on their way out from Baghdad airport.
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BREAKING: Iraqi officials say at least three Katyusha rockets were fired at Baghdad International Airport, causing multiple casualties. It was not immediately clear who fired the rockets or who was targeted. https://khou.com/article/news/nation-wo ... c4ee177d38 #khou
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Fmr. Envoy McGurk on Pres. Trump's foreign policy in Iran: "When you are in an action-reaction cycle, that's a sign of a policy that is leading to serious risk and unintended consequences, and right now, I think we're on track for this to get even worse."
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Airstrike kills major Iranian military figure in Iraq

It was not clear who carried out the strike at Baghdad Airport, but the death of Qassem Soleimani, one of Iran’s most revered military leaders, seems certain to send tensions soaring between the United States and Iran.
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Maybe the Iranians will retaliate . . .

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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:52 pm
Maybe the Iranians will retaliate . . .

Maybe Dotard wears makeup!
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I love the poorly educated!!!

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Trump Orders Killing of Top Iranian General Qassim Suleimani in Baghdad

Suleimani was planning attacks on American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region, the Pentagon statement said.


BAGHDAD — President Trump ordered the killing of the powerful commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps, Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani, in a drone strike on the Baghdad International Airport early Friday, American officials said.

General Suleimani’s death was confirmed by official Iranian media.

“General Suleimani was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region,” the Pentagon said in a statement. “General Suleimani and his Quds Force were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American and coalition service members and the wounding of thousands more.”

“This strike was aimed at deterring future Iranian attack plans,” the statement added. “The United States will continue to take all necessary action to protect our people and our interests wherever they are around the world.”

The killing of General Suleimani was a major blow for Iran and a major escalation of President Trump’s “maximum pressure” campaign against Iran, which began with economic sanctions but has steadily moved into the military arena.
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Reuters: Former Iran Guards chief vows 'vigorous revenge against America' for Soleimani killing

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So... does Iran start targeting every hotel, golf course, etc. owned by Trump or with Trump in its name? Trump certainly cares more about those than he does about American military personnel.
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Not really Irans style. They want to pretend this is a clash of civilisations in general, not a personal squabble with a fat egomaniac.
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I think the Iraqis will also be pissed off that the US did this in their country. I bet that the Bagdhad airport is now essentially closed to any traffic as there will be retaiations and starting and landing airliners targeted. impotus will need to detach at least another batallion to keep the area safe.

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Suranis wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:38 am
Not really Irans style. They want to pretend this is a clash of civilisations in general, not a personal squabble with a fat egomaniac.
Trump has sometimes used clash of civilizations rhetoric. Not sure if he believes it though. (I guess that applies to everything he says though).

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Suranis wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:38 am
Not really Irans style. They want to pretend this is a clash of civilisations in general, not a personal squabble with a fat egomaniac.
The also tend to target sites that the population actually cares about.

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“General Suleimani was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region,” the Pentagon said in a statement. “General Suleimani and his Quds Force were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American and coalition service members and the wounding of thousands more.”
Forgive my cynicism, but where did this information come from? I hope not Rudy Giuliani.
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Slim Cognito wrote:
Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:20 am
Forgive my cynicism, but where did this information come from? I hope not Rudy Giuliani.
Yeah, now they believe the intelligence community
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A Shocked Iraq Reconsiders Its Relationship With the U.S.
The killing of General Suleimani, intended as a shot against Iran, could accelerate an Iranian objective: pushing the United States military out of Iraq.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/worl ... -iraq.html
American oil workers were fleeing Iraq on Friday, as fears grew of war between the United States and Iran. At sermons in the Shiite holy city of Karbala, worshipers chanted, “Death to America!”

And in Tahrir Square in central Baghdad, where antigovernment protesters have gathered for months, a banner went up with a pointed message to both Iran and the United States: “Keep your conflicts away from Iraq.”

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Anti-government protesters, who have been protesting Iran’s stifling influence in the country, were worried their movement could be snuffed out by pro-Iran militias. And throughout the country, there was the familiar feeling that Iraq was a mere bystander in the broader geopolitical conflict between the United States and Iran taking place on Iraqi soil.

More broadly, the events raised a single, overarching question: can the United States maintain a cooperative security relationship with Iraq given the upheaval the assassination has provoked? The question was already coursing through the halls of power in Baghdad, even as the Trump administration said Friday that it was rushing new troops to the region in response to the crisis.
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Volkonski wrote:
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A Shocked Iraq Reconsiders Its Relationship With the U.S.
The killing of General Suleimani, intended as a shot against Iran, could accelerate an Iranian objective: pushing the United States military out of Iraq.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/worl ... -iraq.html
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More broadly, the events raised a single, overarching question: can the United States maintain a cooperative security relationship with Iraq given the upheaval the assassination has provoked? The question was already coursing through the halls of power in Baghdad, even as the Trump administration said Friday that it was rushing new troops to the region in response to the crisis.
From other sources: those assumed 3.5K troops will be based in Kuwait and other Gulf nations. Seems that Saudi Arabia is not too keen to have the US troops too near to their oil facilities.

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UK urges Iraq to let its soldiers remain in Iraq: PA Media https://reut.rs/2QRfkj1
UK has 400 soldiers in Iraq.
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