Flying the unfriendly skies

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re Mr V. prior post of the Newark incident.
Monday Night’s Incident At Newark Airport Touched Off By Bipolar Airline Employee
September 3, 2019 at 5:11 pm

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — CBS2 has learned new information on what caused a scare at Newark Liberty International Airport on Monday that sent around travelers running for the exits.

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Officers were seen rushing towards an Alaska Airlines gate at around 8:30 p.m. after a flight attendant started shouting for everyone to evacuate after speaking to two men at Gate 30 and then accusing them of plotting some kind of violence.

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Sources told CBS2’s Tony Aiello on Tuesday the flight attendant is bipolar and had an issue with her medication. Prosecutors said for that reason she would not be charged.

The two men were questioned and released. Port Authority police said they did nothing wrong.


https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/09/03 ... -employee/

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:shock:

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Thomas Cook collapses, leaving thousands of travelers stranded
By Clare Duffy and Rob McLean, CNN Business

Updated 0956 GMT (1756 HKT) September 23, 2019

New York (CNN Business)British tour operator Thomas Cook collapsed Sunday night, stranding hundreds of thousands of travelers and putting 21,000 jobs at risk.

The 178-year-old company said in a statement that its board "concluded that it had no choice but to take steps to enter into compulsory liquidation with immediate effect" after talks on a financial rescue failed. All Thomas Cook bookings have been canceled, the UK Civil Aviation Authority tweeted.

Peter Fankhauser, Thomas Cook's chief executive, apologized to customers, employees, suppliers and partners.

"This marks a deeply sad day for the company which pioneered package holidays and made travel possible for millions of people around the world," Fankhauser said.

"Despite huge efforts over a number of months, and further intense negotiations in recent days, we have not been able to secure a deal to save our business. I know that this outcome will be devastating to many people and cause a lot of anxiety stress and disruption," he added.

The collapse of the iconic UK company had ripple effects in Asia. Shares in China's Fosun Tourism dropped by nearly 5% in Hong Kong. The billionaire founder of parent company Fosun International, which owns all-inclusive holiday firm Club Med, is Thomas Cook's largest shareholder, according to Refinitiv data.


https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/22/busi ... index.html
Number of stranded passengers vary depending source from 150'000 to over 200'000 worldwide :cantlook:

Note: this is not just about flying customers but also about holiday packages and hotel rooms at destinations around the world.

ETA:
:shock: Latest number of customers stranded could reach 600'000 :blackeye:

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When Thomas Cooks' lenders demanded they raise an additional 200 million pounds to keep the current restructuring deal going, the UK gov't declined to step in and provide the funds. With no other recourse, they shut down.

They're estimating it'll cost the UK gov't a minimum of 60 million pounds to get all their stranded travelers back home, which makes the refusal to advance the 200 million seem both stupid and petty.

Then again, Thomas Cook has been teetering on the edge of insolvency for a long time now. IIRC, they had to restructure/go begging to their creditors back in the early 2000s, too.
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DejaMoo wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:36 am
They're estimating it'll cost the UK gov't a minimum of 60 million pounds to get all their stranded travelers back home, which makes the refusal to advance the 200 million seem both stupid and petty.
You could say so, or you could just as easilly say the British Goverment saved itself 140 million pounds by letting Thomas Cook go under and picking up the aftermath.
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DejaMoo wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:36 am
When Thomas Cooks' lenders demanded they raise an additional 200 million pounds to keep the current restructuring deal going, the UK gov't declined to step in and provide the funds. With no other recourse, they shut down.

They're estimating it'll cost the UK gov't a minimum of 60 million pounds to get all their stranded travelers back home, which makes the refusal to advance the 200 million seem both stupid and petty.

Then again, Thomas Cook has been teetering on the edge of insolvency for a long time now. IIRC, they had to restructure/go begging to their creditors back in the early 2000s, too.
It's difficult to say how much the UK government will end up paying. The UK is still EU member and the travel industry licensing and operating conditions are strongly regulated to prevent customers ending up scammed. Companies need to insure themselves for such cases. The insurance industry will be paying out large sums in this case. The government itself will likely need to provide emergency assistance on the short term for those that don't have the finances ready to pay extra hotel stay and flight rebooking in advance. Also too, this does not only concern UK customers, Thomas Cook was a large operator within the EU as well as worldwide.

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RTH is right: UK package holiday customers are covered by an industry-wide scheme called ATOL which has reserves and insurance so those customers don't cost the government a penny. They have said they'll fly back air-only passengers too for the next two weeks, but I don't know who will fund that, if it needs funding.

A holiday airline called Monarch failed a few years ago and apparently the UK's rescue effort went well. As with Thomas Cook, the government let Monarch fail rather than bail it out.

It's probably a relief that Thomas Cook failed after the schools had reopened so the holidaymakers will generally be adults, not families with small kids, which are obviously more worrisome for all concerned. Apparently enf of season failure is the norm: people pay for their holidays early in the year but the operators' bills become due as the season progresses.

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The lawsuit was filed in Texas. In California it would be dismissed under the authority of Southern California Gas Leak Cases (2019) 7 Cal.5th 391 (no liability absent a physical injury).

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If money = speech, wouldn’t depriving them of pay count as prior restraint?

(Not a serious question.)
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Two Southwest pilots hid a camera in a plane’s lavatory and live-streamed video to the cockpit, according to lawsuit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/transpor ... g-lawsuit/
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:shock:
Wow - just wow.

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June bug wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:24 pm
:shock:
Wow - just wow.
I got the impression from the article that the defense is going to be that they didn't actually livestream the video, and that they were just playing a joke on the flight attendant by playing a video of the pilot in the lav that had been previously recorded. Even if that's true, that's jacked up.
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Passenger video shows smoke filling cabin of New York-bound Delta flight on airport runway in Madrid, Spain, forcing evacuation.

The airline tweeted that its maintenance teams were working to resolve the issue. https://abcn.ws/2QyKpcO
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Nice video but it doesn't show the biggest profit center at LAX. I lobbied for my client who got the contract. Guess what it is.

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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:22 pm
Nice video but it doesn't show the biggest profit center at LAX. I lobbied for my client who got the contract. Guess what it is.
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Here's the answer. If you want to guess first, don't peek.

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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:22 pm
Nice video but it doesn't show the biggest profit center at LAX. I lobbied for my client who got the contract. Guess what it is.
Parking used to be a huge profit center.

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Women sue Frontier Airlines over sex assaults by passengers
Two women who say they were sexually assaulted by passengers on Frontier Airlines flights sued the Denver-based budget carrier for allegedly refusing to help them and either not having or failing to follow policies to respond to assaults.

One woman said she was sexually assaulted by a man on a flight from Denver to Providence on or about Oct. 20, 2018 and was not allowed to change her seat afterward while the other said she was sexually assaulted by a man on a Denver to Florida flight on or about Nov. 30, 2018. Both say they reported the assaults to flight attendants, who did not report them to anyone else and did not request that law enforcement meet the planes.

The lawsuit seeks to represent any other passengers who were sexually assaulted on Frontier flights from Dec. 16, 2017, to the present.

The lawsuit notes that the FBI issued a warning in 2018 that the number of sexual assaults by passengers reported on commercial flights has been increasing “at an alarming rate.”
I've heard this bull before.

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FAA checking potentially "catastrophic" issue with 737 Max wiring

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boeing-737 ... d=80168411
The Federal Aviation Administration is looking at a potentially "catastrophic" issue with wiring that helps control the tail of the 737 Max, CBS News has confirmed. The safety review was first reported by the New York Times and confirmed by Boeing officials.


It grew out of an FAA request to Boeing for an internal audit to confirm the company had accurately assessed the dangers of key systems in light of new assumptions about pilot response times to emergency situations.

Boeing is reviewing whether two bundles of "critical wiring" are too close together and could cause a short circuit.

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If necessary, Boeing would have to separate or better insulate those bundles on the roughly 800 737 Max aircraft it has built. A Boeing official tells Van Cleave that the work, if needed, could be done during the process of returning the grounded planes to flight. A fix would take an hour or two per plane, according to source.
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NBC4 News: Unruly Passenger on Newark-Bound Flight Barrels Into Cockpit Door, Beats Attendant

The attack started in the air, continued onto the runway and even spilled out onto the tarmac after the plane had landed


An unhinged passenger aboard a flight heading to Newark caused quite a stir in the sky after barreling into the cockpit's door and viciously attacking an attendant who tried to stop him, according to authorities and witnesses.

The United Express flight from Dulles International Airport was about to touch down in New Jersey when Matthew Dingley's erratic behavior started making everyone on board very nervous. Dingley allegedly got out of his seat and made a beeline for the door of the cockpit.

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:shock:
L.A. County Fire Department
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MCI | FS163 | 8000 Park Ave #Cudahy | BN 13 and 3 units on-scene elementary school assessing multiple patients after apparent fuel dump by aircraft on final approach to LAX hits playground.
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Matt Hartman
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DELTA flight 89 to Shanghai dumping fuel, returning to LAX W/ unknown emergency
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Volkonski wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:11 pm
Matt Hartman
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DELTA flight 89 to Shanghai dumping fuel, returning to LAX W/ unknown emergency
https:// twitter.com/ShorealoneFilms/status/1217171015966449666
oooops.
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