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Post by esseff44 » Sat May 16, 2015 1:07 pm



I never answer my primary phone number and just take messages. If it's important, people will leave a message and I will call back.  Most calls do not leave a message...dead air for many that do.  90% of the messages are from robocalls from telemarketing scams.  I have been on the Do Not Call List from Day #1.  I was very active in pushing for the Do Not Call List.  But Robocalls have become the dominate method of telemarketing and scamming now and just reporting when their TEL # is ID's does little good.  There are websites to report numbers for scammers and unwanted calls but I worry that they are just collecting my info to sell to the scammers.  How do you know who is legit and who isn't.  But I do find that a lot of people are reporting the same numbers that I am and the same type of scams and methods of getting you to a live telemarketer or scammer.  One scammer outfit has figured out how to have your own TEL# and Name appear on your caller ID and not even a fake ID for the unknown caller.  Some people I know like to take the call and take up the telemarketer/scammers time.  On the forums for the subject, people have tried cussing, air horns, various kinds of phones for blocking, etc.   But the problem is getting worse.  The number of calls per day is multiplying.  Something needs to be done. The FTC just collects complaints, but they do not have the resources to do much to stop these annoyances.  However, the FTC is sponsoring a contest: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/contest ... rikes-back  Robocalls: Humanity Strikes Back   The FTC is heading back to DEF CON, and this time we’re challenging tech gurus to create a tool that people can use to block or forward unwanted robocalls automatically to a honeypot. The contest has two phases.  The Qualifying PhaseBuild a crowd-source honeypot. Your solution should enable people with landlines or mobile phones to identify robocalls and block or forward them to a honeypot. You can work alone or as a team. Your solution must be submitted by June 15, 2015. Please review the contest rules and criteria before you begin. The Final PhaseThe top five scorers from the Qualifying Phase will move on to the Final Phase, where you must “seed” your honeypot to attract as many robocalls as you can. Seeding might include encouraging people to use your solution to forward robocalls to the honeypot, or listing a phone number associated with your solution where robocallers collect phone numbers. Points will be awarded for robocalls collected during DEF CON 23, starting at 5 pm PT on August 5 and ending at 7 pm PT on August 8. They have a page for the latest scams: http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/scam-alerts The latest calls I have been getting are robocalls from an unknown caller saying that to get the discount mention in my gas bill I should press"0" to get my discount.  Still getting calls about lowering my mortgage interest and credit card interest.  (My interest for both is Zero.)  So, who's calling you these days that you would rather not hear from and makes you want to yell: GET OFF and STAY OFF MY LINE!!!!!!!!

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Post by ZekeB » Sat May 16, 2015 1:36 pm

Very few call on my landline. I did get a legitimate call yesterday in regard to my Memorial Day plans, though. Usually I answer with a soft "hello" and their computer doesn't recognize my response. I just hang up at that point. Yes, I have my landline and my cell both on Do Not Call. I won't ever consider buying anything from someone who pedals their shite via spam or phone telemarketing. I don't know why anyone in their right mind would. Yes, apparently enough people do in that the telemarketers and spammers continue to annoy us.
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Post by SueDB » Sat May 16, 2015 1:40 pm

They're starting to use "Private Name Private Number" again to get around some of the call blocking programs.
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Post by Wintermute » Sat May 16, 2015 1:46 pm

I hate the calls where the voice says "hello this is Donna" to which I respond are you human? Then there is a pause and some clicking and then Donna says do I sound that bad? I respond with gibberish and Donna says she doesn't know how to respond and that she really is a person. We never get to what the call is about.

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Post by L00Kit » Sat May 16, 2015 1:56 pm

Vast majority of my daily landline robocalls are from Republican state legislators and debt collectors; both groups hunting for people that aren't me.



And yes, both groups are so similar it's nigh impossible to tell the difference.

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Post by Gnarly Goat » Sat May 16, 2015 2:08 pm

If you don't already have it go sign up for Nomorobo @ https://www.nomorobo.comnow. They won the FTC's first robocall challenge, and their free service works great. We've been using it since it was in beta and we rarely get any telemarketing calls.



The only hitch is that it relies on the simultaneous ring functionality in VoIP telephony networks so you need to have VoIP service.



I highly recommend their service.
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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Sat May 16, 2015 2:11 pm

I have apparently won 43 cruises in the past 3 weeks. We don't even have a landline.At least they quit calling about the home alarms and refinancing my car, which was never financed to begin with.

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Post by ducktape » Sat May 16, 2015 2:25 pm





I hate the calls where the voice says "hello this is Donna" to which I respond are you human? Then there is a pause and some clicking and then Donna says do I sound that bad? I respond with gibberish and Donna says she doesn't know how to respond and that she really is a person. We never get to what the call is about.

Not a human but unwilling to admit it.









The one that calls me (on my business line) is "This is Elizabeth Moore, and I would like to speak with the business owner about providing active capital for your business." It sounds real, but it is an AI bot. It can recognize a few responses but ultimately comes back to "are you the business owner?" and hangs up when it gets an answer it doesn't understand.



They all spoof numbers these days, so it does no good to report them. The number displayed is a dead number. On my cell phone, I am increasingly getting calls (quite often showing a local number in my area code) that has a computer-generated robotic voice. It always starts "Attention ..." and that's as far as it gets with me; I hang up and then block the number.

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Post by TexasFilly » Sat May 16, 2015 3:24 pm

We don't answer any of our phones if it says "Private Caller" or is not in our contacts list. One exception: when we are waiting for our doctor to call back. He usually does that on evenings or weekends, so he uses his cell, which, understandably, he doesn't want out there.
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Post by Reality Check » Sat May 16, 2015 3:26 pm

If you don't already have it go sign up for Nomorobo @ https://www.nomorobo.comnow. They won the FTC's first robocall challenge, and their free service works great. We've been using it since it was in beta and we rarely get any telemarketing calls.



That looks interesting but there is a privacy concern. If I read the info correctly your calls get routed to Nomorobo and then back to you. The carriers could easily do the same but I don't think they want to because they make money off the robocallers and I guess there are some legal reasons they claim prevent them from blocking calls.
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Post by Reality Check » Sat May 16, 2015 3:34 pm

It doesn't work on Robocalls but one technique I have used is to stop them before they get into their pitch and tell the caller that I charge a fee for use of my time and telephone equipment for solicitation purposes. The rate is $10 per minute. If they want to do that I am available but they need to send me a check first to pay up front for the minutes they wish to purchase. That always ends the call.



Edit: Sometimes I just tell them that by continuing they have agreed to pay me for the time of the call. That usually does the trick.
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Post by magdalen77 » Sat May 16, 2015 9:05 pm

I have my landline on a very basic plan for the past 4 or 5 years. When we moved to our new apartment I got a deal for cable, internet and phone that was less than I was paying individually for cable and the very basic phone. I now have voice mail on my landline again. I get very few robocalls, possibly because my phone number didn't lead to anything for years. In two weeks time I'll get maybe 16 voice mails and they're usually from some televangelist telling me that he knows God's plan for me or my state legislator who seems to enjoy doing calls to tell us how hard he's working. If there are debt collection calls they're typically for the people who had the phone number before us. So some junk debt collector is calling 15 year old contact numbers.

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Post by SueDB » Sat May 16, 2015 9:13 pm

Call blocking from QWorst - Century tel/whatever this week works well when you can figure out how to enter the darn programming.
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Post by RTH10260 » Sat May 16, 2015 9:15 pm



One scammer outfit has figured out how to have your own TEL# and Name appear on your caller ID and not even a fake ID for the unknown caller.



Now this is not difficult: it is simply IP telephony as call originating that gets switched at some point to simple old style fixnet.

The originating party configures their IP client program to whatever they want to show as caller phone number and or caller name. They reprogram those entries for each spam call they make. One can make up anything one wants. Totally unregulated.

If you wish to try, there are several free IP phone clients to be used on the PC with microphone and speakers, or for the smartphones in Apple and Android versions. There are many IP telephony providers that will let you use their service near to free.
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Post by SueDB » Sat May 16, 2015 9:19 pm

Didn't Holder talk to his judges from restaurants across the street from the courthouse using a "tie line" through the WH Switchboard for cover? ;)
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Post by esseff44 » Sat May 16, 2015 9:31 pm











One scammer outfit has figured out how to have your own TEL# and Name appear on your caller ID and not even a fake ID for the unknown caller.









If you wish to try, there are several free IP phone clients to be used on the PC with microphone and speakers, or for the smartphones in Apple and Android versions. There are many IP telephony providers that will let you use their service near to free.







I am not sure what you mean. I know about Skype and the Google phone app. But that doesn't take the place of a landline and a number that you have had in use for years. We are going to need our landlines when the Big One hits and all the electronic devices lose power and the cell towers drop off or overload on the ones that don't. That happens even in small quakes. Skype is okay for friends and family who are willing to download the programs. Most people I know haven't done that and don't want to do it.

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Post by SueDB » Sat May 16, 2015 9:34 pm

If you have cable service or fiber service to your home, you're in a position to use the IP Phone through the cable/fiber.



I have a hard wire as when I call 911, I need to have someone answer and show up.
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Post by esseff44 » Sat May 16, 2015 9:51 pm





If you have cable service or fiber service to your home, you're in a position to use the IP Phone through the cable/fiber.



I have a hard wire as when I call 911, I need to have someone answer and show up.





I don''t have fiber service and I have haven't had cable since it went out in the '89 quake. I get at least 3 solicitations a day to get it but I don't need it for TV and I do not want a contract ever again. My understanding is the my internet will not be any faster with cable because the fiber service do not go all the way to the house. It still has to go through copper wires. I tried U-verse when it first rolled out here and it was a disaster. DSL is slow but it's fast enough for my uses. I can stream most things just fine, movies, videos, etc. AT&T is eventually going to force everyone to migrate to U-verse but I will be the last one to go yelling and kicking all the way.

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Post by esseff44 » Sat May 16, 2015 10:03 pm

[hlyellow]







I have a hard wire as when I call 911, I need to have someone answer and show up.



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People are forgetting about that. If the device depends on electrical power and there's an outage of any kind, the devices that depend on power will not work and I don't know anyone who has a backup generator. Here we do have the red emergency call boxes on the corners in some areas. They are on a special circuit maintained by the city and the fire department but most people don't know where they are or what they are for. They have been maintained and work just as well as they did a hundred years ago. Inside, it's beautiful gleaming brass steam punk.



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Post by SueDB » Sat May 16, 2015 10:19 pm

The modems have an optional back up battery you can purchase "for and extra fee". The big worry is when you lose power, you may have a cordless phone system that depends on the house power to run the base (but you still can make a hard wire call on the base telephone corded handset - old school).



I'm using comcast/xfininty cable and have been getting 125 down and 12 to 14 up lately using my desktop w/ gigabit service in house.



Century tel also has a service on the hard wire where it will delay the call for 10 seconds to tell the caller to push 1 if you are a human. It gets the political doohickeys all the time.
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Post by SueDB » Sat May 16, 2015 10:21 pm

We use Directv as we had it at the old place (no cable available in the woods) and Ms SueDB knows how to use the control and where all her favorite channels are.
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Post by esseff44 » Sat May 16, 2015 11:26 pm





The modems have an optional back up battery you can purchase "for and extra fee". The big worry is when you lose power, you may have a cordless phone system that depends on the house power to run the base (but you still can make a hard wire call on the base telephone corded handset - old school



Century tel also has a service on the hard wire where it will delay the call for 10 seconds to tell the caller to push 1 if you are a human. It gets the political doohickeys all the time.





Lots of good feedback, folks. Keep it up.



About that 10 second delay, does it also zap the recorded calls for medical appointments? That's the problem. How can they discriminate between the bad guys and the good guys. Those medical appointment reminders are helpful and so would be public safety,, disasterand emergency calls.



ETA: and occasionally I get robocalls from PG& E or another utility telling me about a disruption in service. Even the garbage pick up service alerting to the holiday schedule changes.



ETA: And the time I got a recorded message from my credit card company that someone had charged my account for escort services in London. :shock: :shock: :shock: :eek: :eek: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

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Post by TexasFilly » Sat May 16, 2015 11:48 pm

My credit card companies have a real live person call if there is suspected fraud. It's happened twice with one card. The last time, I didn't take the call because I thought it was a solicitation but that real live person left a voice mail. Someone was buying stuff with my card in France. [-X
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Post by TexasFilly » Sat May 16, 2015 11:50 pm









One scammer outfit has figured out how to have your own TEL# and Name appear on your caller ID and not even a fake ID for the unknown caller.



Now this is not difficult: it is simply IP telephony as call originating that gets switched at some point to simple old style fixnet.

The originating party configures their IP client program to whatever they want to show as caller phone number and or caller name. They reprogram those entries for each spam call they make. One can make up anything one wants. Totally unregulated.

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I didn't know about this. I'm pretty certain if I got a call from myself, I'd let it go to voice mail!
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Post by esseff44 » Sun May 17, 2015 12:16 am





My credit card companies have a real live person call if there is suspected fraud. It's happened twice with one card. The last time, I didn't take the call because I thought it was a solicitation but that real live person left a voice mail. Someone was buying stuff with my card in France. [-X







That's something I am going to check out. IIRC, I got a recorded message to call because of unusual activity and a number to call. When I called back, they gave me the details. So, my memory is not clear as to whether it was a live person leaving the message or not.



I guess my point is how to distinguish between mass recorded calls I would want to get as opposed to the 90% telemarketers/scammers/fraids/etc/ that are so intrusive and annoying. I have a post in draft I want to post as to why I am so sensitive to this issue, but I want it hidden.

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