Incel Rebellion: Violent Misogyny - We've seen it all before

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These poor chaps are stuck fixated on physical looks of themselves and of women. And perhaps they have taken some cruel comments to heart. Not to excuse them. There's no excuse for wallowing in it. There are some seriously ugly guys out there who are doing just fine, with the opposite sex, with the world and with themselves psychologically.

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You just have to have something to offer.

These guys just want to take. :fingerwag:
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RoadScholar wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:03 pm
Attractive women only go for good-looking, macho men?

Rebuttal Exhibit "A":


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Rebuttal exhibit B: me.

I did just fine with some stunning women when I was first divorced... And at the time, I weighed nearly 300 pounds. In fact, I did better than when I was in college and weighted 175. I also did pretty well with women when I was dead assed broke... I was creative about dates and put time, care and thoughtfulness into planning an evening instead of throwing money at the problem. For example, going to the Museum of Modern Art on free Fridays instead of a raft of $15 martinis at the Four Seasons.

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DejaMoo wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:03 pm
Yes, because once again, THIS ISN"T ABOUT SEX.

It's about entitlement and privilege expressed by angry, abusive men who feel SO entitled, SO privileged, that they erupt in rage when the world doesn't give them what they believe they're entitled to.

These men are not pathetic losers. They are angry, entitled, dangerous creeps. Goddamn it people, quit buying into their narrative and finding excuses for them and see them for what they are.
Yeah, this. Scott Beierle might've been a loser, but he was a dangerous loser, not a pathetic one. He'd been bragging about his hatred of women on YouTube for years. He'd had two arrests for battery, already. Many of the so-called proud boys and neo fascists have domestic violence arrests, too. Nationalism and misogyny are two of the vectors they recruit and organize around. They fantasize about about roaming the country using sexual violence on their enemies.
And Beierle was anxious. And angry. Ample proof of this exists in his series of YouTube videos in which he condemns “the American whore” and calls out the “treachery” of the “pit of vipers” who shirked his advances. In explaining the origins of his hatred of women in a video titled, “The Rebirth of my Misogyny,” Beirele concludes his invective with these foreboding words: “I believe in karma. I believe in what comes around goes around. And those that engage in treachery will ultimately be the victims of it. Hopefully there’s been justice in some comparable regard that they’ve been the recipients of….”
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RoadScholar wrote:
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Attractive women only go for good-looking, macho men?

Rebuttal Exhibit "A":


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Exhibit "B": Steven Mnuchin and his wife Louise Linton
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voxpopuluxe wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:01 pm
DejaMoo wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:03 pm
Yes, because once again, THIS ISN"T ABOUT SEX.

It's about entitlement and privilege expressed by angry, abusive men who feel SO entitled, SO privileged, that they erupt in rage when the world doesn't give them what they believe they're entitled to.

These men are not pathetic losers. They are angry, entitled, dangerous creeps. Goddamn it people, quit buying into their narrative and finding excuses for them and see them for what they are.
Yeah, this. Scott Beierle might've been a loser, but he was a dangerous loser, not a pathetic one.
Too, also, they're not all losers. Some of these incel and white supremacy sites have been created by or supported by successful men with good jobs/careers. It's not about what they lack, it's about what they fiercely and furiously believe the world owes them. And when everyone else doesn't recognize that as their due, they get angrier yet. . . especially at those they consider their obvious inferiors, meaning females and minorities. Which explains the white supremacy and naked misogyny.
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Mother Jones - Kevin Drum: Insecure Men Were a Big Trump Demographic in 2016

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Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:39 pm
RoadScholar wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:03 pm
Attractive women only go for good-looking, macho men?
Harvey Weinstein was my first thought. Nor exactly what you'd expect Georgina Chapman to be married to.
In Incel World, she's simply a whore who married only because he has money. If he were poor, she never would have looked at him

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Associated Press
Man angry about virginity pleads guilty to threatening women

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — A man has pleaded guilty to a felony terroristic threat charge after authorities said he threating to target women in a mass shooting because he couldn’t get a girlfriend.

Utah prosecutor Chad Grunander tells the Deseret News that 27-year-old Christopher W. Cleary of Denver was in court on Thursday.

Police said Cleary wrote on Facebook he was planning to become a mass shooter because he was still a virgin and wanted to kill as many women as possible.

He was arrested during a trip to Provo, Utah, on January 19, the same day women’s marches were held around the country. Colorado authorities have said he was on probation after stalking and threatening women there.

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Online trolls hijacked a scientist's image to attack Katie Bouman. They picked the wrong astrophysicist.

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As the world stared in wonder this week at the first image of a black hole, a new star was born here on Earth: Katherine Bouman, 29, a postdoctoral researcher who developed an algorithm that was key to capturing the stunning visual.

On the ugliest corners of the Internet, however, this sudden fame for a young woman in a male-dominated field couldn't stand. A corrective was quickly found in Andrew Chael, another member of the Event Horizon Telescope team, who, not coincidentally, is white and male.

On Reddit and Twitter, memes quickly went viral contrasting Bouman with Chael, who - per the viral images - was actually responsible for "850,000 of the 900,000 lines of code that were written in the historic black-hole image algorithm!"

That's completely wrong, Chael said in a viral Thursday night Twitter thread of his own. Not only are the claims in the meme flat-out incorrect, but Chael - as an openly gay man - is also part of an underrepresented demographic in his field.
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He always hated women. Then he decided to kill them. ...

Beierle was an avowed hater of women, a man who repeatedly grabbed women in real life and fantasized about raping and killing them in the horrific collection of lyrics, poetry and novels he began writing as a teenager. His interactions with the opposite sex had gotten him fired from teaching jobs, booted from the Army and hauled before the principal of his high school. He traced his fury at women — “Just beneath their blushing lashes and their innocent smiles lies the most rancid and putrid, sickening essences” — to the girls who both aroused and frustrated him in eighth grade.

It is a kind of hatred that experts in extremism warn is becoming more common and more dangerous, providing what amounts to a new feeder network for white supremacy and neo-Nazi groups. ...

In 2018, a few months before Beierle stood in that studio, the Southern Poverty Law Center added a new category to its tracking list of hate movements around the country: male supremacy.

The term encompasses a worrying new array of assaults by men who view women as genetically inferior, inherently treacherous or unwilling to provide them with the sex and submission they see as their birthright.

It’s a trend with roots both ancient and new. Condemning women as a gender dates to at least the ancient Greek myth that blamed Pandora for unleashing evil into the world. But in the digital age, misogyny is being stoked within hundreds of online chat rooms and forums, echo chambers of grievance that drive some men to cyberbullying and a far smaller number to violence.

“What’s different today is the online space itself,” Beirich said. “Back in the day, an ad on how to meet girls in the back of a magazine didn’t open a door into the dark web.”

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wrote:Published on 7 Jun 2019

You know about white supremacy, but have you heard of “male supremacy?” It’s not plain sexism or chauvinism - it’s a kind of potentially violent extremism that experts say is on the rise. Male supremacy can be defined as a “hateful ideology advocating for the subjugation of women.” And the Southern Poverty Law Center has said this kind of extreme misogyny is increasingly a, quote, “gateway drug for extremists." Male supremacy can go further than hateful ideology shared in dark corners of the internet - it can have violent consequences.

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above video entry links back to an older WaPo article
Inside the online world of ‘incels,’ the dark corner of the Internet linked to the Toronto suspect

By Abby Ohlheiser
April 25, 2018


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Cross-posting

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Inspired by Dallas courthouse shooter, Air Force base circulates 'incel' warning signs

A Maryland Air Force base is teaching its personnel to recognize the warning signs posed by "introverted, sexless individuals" in the wake of a discharged Army veteran's attempts to shoot up a federal courthouse in Dallas this week.

Brian Isaack Clyde, who was killed Monday after firing shots into the Earle Cabell Federal Building in downtown Dallas, shared several "involuntary celibate," or incel, memes in his social media accounts.

That connection, according to the Air Force Times, inspired the brass at Joint Base Andrews to initiate a program alerting airmen to signs that someone might belong to the online incel community — men who can't find romantic partners and who sometimes react violently because of it.

Clyde, 22, shared memes prevalent in the incel community in some of his social media posts, including one that referred to a "Chad rampage" vs. a "virgin shooting." The Chad vs. virgin trope is a common incel meme.

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Cross posting Addie's post this morning.

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Involuntary Celibates are an ‘emerging domestic terrorism threat’: Texas warns of an ‘Incel Rebellion’

Misogynistic men who identify as part of the “Involuntary Celibate” movement are domestic terrorism threats, according to a new report.

The Texas Department of Public Safety included the warning in their 2020, “Texas Domestic Terrorism Threat Assessment” (PDF).

“Although not a new movement, Involuntary Celibates (Incels) are an emerging domestic terrorism threat as current adherents demonstrate marked acts or threats of violence in furtherance of their social grievance,” the report noted. “Once viewed as a criminal threat by many law enforcement authorities, Incels are now seen as a growing domestic terrorism concern due to the ideological nature of recent Incel attacks internationally, nationwide, and in Texas.”

“What begins as a personal grievance due to perceived rejection by women may morph into allegiance to, and attempts to further, an Incel Rebellion. The result has thrust the Incel movement into the realm of domestic terrorism,” the report explained.

“The violence demonstrated by Incels in the past decade, coupled with extremely violent online rhetoric, suggests this particular threat could soon match, or potentially eclipse, the level of lethalness demonstrated by other domestic terrorism types,” the report warned.
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/r/IncelTears at Reddit is disturbing by showing the incel inner thinking. Reddit banned most of the MGTOW/Incel subs, but this one puts a mirror on them and relentlessly hammers the stupidity incels generate.

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I 'm kind of surprised they don't have websites/styes of their own, but I seriously doubt they can get along with each other long enough or well enough to do anything in concert. They kind of remind me of birfers only stupider and filthy/nastier.
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Notorial Dissent wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:40 am
I 'm kind of surprised they don't have websites/styes of their own, but I seriously doubt they can get along with each other long enough or well enough to do anything in concert. They kind of remind me of birfers only stupider and filthy/nastier.
I agree. For these types to accomplish anything they would have to be capable of coordinating for a common goal, and would have to venture out of their parents' basements. I don't see how these losers can be a threat.

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boots wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:57 pm
Notorial Dissent wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:40 am
I 'm kind of surprised they don't have websites/styes of their own, but I seriously doubt they can get along with each other long enough or well enough to do anything in concert. They kind of remind me of birfers only stupider and filthy/nastier.
I agree. For these types to accomplish anything they would have to be capable of coordinating for a common goal, and would have to venture out of their parents' basements. I don't see how these losers can be a threat.
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Notorial Dissent wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:40 am
I 'm kind of surprised they don't have websites/styes of their own, but I seriously doubt they can get along with each other long enough or well enough to do anything in concert. They kind of remind me of birfers only stupider and filthy/nastier.
these days they mostly congregate on gab, /pol/, telegram, & twitter. telegram's become especially popular. it's true that they spend a lot of time fighting with each other, but they're organized enough to harass and threaten and drive propaganda campaigns online and IRL. and "incels" aren't a discrete group—i think the chances are high that these days any one who identifies as an "incel" or is sympathetic to the idea is also likely to be sympathetic to/espouse fascist/white supremacist/identitarian causes and ideas or to be otherwise adjacent to the neo-right.
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Never ever did I imagine the revolution would be led by hordes of angry virgins.
I am not "someone upthread".
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boots wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:57 pm
Notorial Dissent wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:40 am
I 'm kind of surprised they don't have websites/styes of their own, but I seriously doubt they can get along with each other long enough or well enough to do anything in concert. They kind of remind me of birfers only stupider and filthy/nastier.
I agree. For these types to accomplish anything they would have to be capable of coordinating for a common goal, and would have to venture out of their parents' basements. I don't see how these losers can be a threat.
You forgot "down from their attics and out from under their bridges" which I do think covers a lot of them. Jointly I don't think they are that much of a threat due to the whole can't get along with anyone thing. Even hiding out in other somewhat like minded groups I still think the whole get along thing would be a hinderance.
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Notorial Dissent wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:39 pm
boots wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:57 pm
Notorial Dissent wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:40 am
I 'm kind of surprised they don't have websites/styes of their own, but I seriously doubt they can get along with each other long enough or well enough to do anything in concert. They kind of remind me of birfers only stupider and filthy/nastier.
I agree. For these types to accomplish anything they would have to be capable of coordinating for a common goal, and would have to venture out of their parents' basements. I don't see how these losers can be a threat.
You forgot "down from their attics and out from under their bridges" which I do think covers a lot of them. Jointly I don't think they are that much of a threat due to the whole can't get along with anyone thing. Even hiding out in other somewhat like minded groups I still think the whole get along thing would be a hinderance.
I think these types would be even worse than sov-cits at getting along with each other.

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Notorial Dissent wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:39 pm
You forgot "down from their attics and out from under their bridges" which I do think covers a lot of them. Jointly I don't think they are that much of a threat due to the whole can't get along with anyone thing. Even hiding out in other somewhat like minded groups I still think the whole get along thing would be a hinderance.
not "that much of a threat" is doing a lot of work here. and anyway the proposition that narcissists and sociopaths can't work together to achieve common goals would be seem to be refuted by the existence of the present administration. that said, who knows? i do think it's a mistake to think of "incels" as simply angry virgins trolls in basements rather than as people driven by misogynist beliefs that are increasingly indistinguishable from other fascist and quasi-fascist ideologies that have posed a threat over the last the decade.
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