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Bravo, NY!
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Volkonski wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:51 am
Yep, Hawaii is in a crisis and getting worse everyday. Yesterday we had 1068 new covid cases and 4 new deaths. The Gov still won't take action b/c he worries about the economy. However, people are cancelling their trips to Hawaii anyway. Visitors came here because of the low number of covid cases. Not any more!

Meanwhile at home, today's new cases are 43 adults and 20 children (YIKES!), and all are residents. From March 2020 to August 2021, we lost 2 residents to the virus. From August 1 to September 2, we lost 6 more. There are two new clusters, both religious gatherings, total of 4 churches that created clusters. The press release also said: "This holiday weekend, our choices and actions will determine how much suffering this island will have to endure in the month to come." I hope people take that to heart.

That was followed by another release. The county’s 2 free test sites are testing a total of over 700 people per day. That's good news. There are 7 other test sites and one that comes to your home. Most of them are free. Everyone is urged to be tested. Info was provided with addresses, phone numbers, days & times for tests, and whether they are walk-in or by appointment. One is not far from my home - a drive-in test site. I'm going tomorrow. (With Ted, of course.)

I think our mayor needs to impose rules - like insisting on proof of vaccination before entering a restaurant or bar and limiting group capacity - especially in beach parks. Technically, he can't because the governor overrules the mayors. However, the Oahu mayor said screw that. He ordered that customers at restaurants, gyms, movie theaters, museums, and other businesses will need to show proof of vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test within the last 48-hours to enter the businesses beginning 9/13. Employees who are not vaccinated will be required to test weekly.

He's also threatening mandatory vaccination if Oahu covid numbers don't drop. (I don't think he can enforce that, but I give him a :thumbsup: anyway.)

The Lt. Gov. tried to get the governor to order a shutdown for the Labor Day weekend to give the hospitals a break, but the gov refused. The only thing that will be done is Oahu & state police will spend the long weekend breaking up any large gatherings.
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Arizona

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... -NLETTER02

Pinal County rejects $3.4M federal COVID-19 vaccine equity grant, and health director is 'deeply disappointed'


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Pinal County, where less than half of the eligible population is fully vaccinated against COVID-19, has rejected a $3.4 million federal grant aimed at improving vaccine equity.

The all-Republican Pinal County Board of Supervisors, which serves as the board of directors of the public health district, voted 3-2 Wednesday against accepting the grant money from the Arizona Department of Health Services.

The decision stunned Pinal County Public Health Services District employees, who say the money would have lasted more than three years and been used to educate underserved populations about the COVID-19 vaccine and to help provide vaccines in disenfranchised communities.
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If the federal government authorizes COVID-19 booster vaccine doses, there will be additional COVID-19 vaccine needs, as there will if children ages five through 11 are approved to receive the vaccine.

The job of the vaccine equity coordinator would have been coordinating with local community health workers and patient navigators to ensure that access and resources were provided to underserved populations so that they could make up their minds about whether to get the COVID-19 vaccine or not, she said.
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Lani wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:06 am :snippity:

He's also threatening mandatory vaccination if Oahu covid numbers don't drop. (I don't think he can enforce that, but I give him a :thumbsup: anyway.)

The Lt. Gov. tried to get the governor to order a shutdown for the Labor Day weekend to give the hospitals a break, but the gov refused. The only thing that will be done is Oahu & state police will spend the long weekend breaking up any large gatherings.
Jacobson v Massachusetts, 1905, SCOTUS ruling.

States can mandate vaccinations during public health emergencies.
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LM K wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:21 pm
:snippity:

Jacobson v Massachusetts, 1905, SCOTUS ruling.

States can mandate vaccinations during public health emergencies.
He's a mayor. Governor can prevent it.
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Gunshot Victims Left Waiting as Horse Dewormer Overdoses Overwhelm Oklahoma Hospitals, Doctor Says
The rise in people using ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug usually reserved for deworming horses or livestock, as a treatment or preventative for Covid-19 has emergency rooms “so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting” access to health facilities, an emergency room doctor in Oklahoma said.

This week, Dr. Jason McElyea told KFOR the overdoses are causing backlogs in rural hospitals, leaving both beds and ambulance services scarce.

“The ERs are so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting to facilities where they can get definitive care and be treated,” McElyea said.

“All of their ambulances are stuck at the hospital waiting for a bed to open so they can take the patient in and they don’t have any, that’s it,” said McElyea. “If there’s no ambulance to take the call, there’s no ambulance to come to the call.”



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I'm not reading this thread anymore.
Has everybody heard about the bird?
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I'm sure ERs must be using some type of triage, but, really, maybe it's time to triage non-vaxxed and ivermetin patients to the end of the line.
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Florida grapples with COVID-19′s deadliest phase yet

https://apnews.com/article/business-hea ... 681b315770
A woman died of the virus, and as her family was planning the funeral, her mother was also struck down. An aunt took over arrangements for the double funeral, only to die of COVID-19 herself two weeks afterward.

“That was one of the most devastating things ever,” said Bright, who also arranged the funeral last week of one of his closest friends.

Florida is in the grip of its deadliest wave of COVID-19 since the pandemic began, a disaster driven by the highly contagious delta variant.

While Florida’s vaccination rate is slightly higher than the national average, the Sunshine State has an outsize population of elderly people, who are especially vulnerable to the virus; a vibrant party scene; and a Republican governor who has taken a hard line against mask requirements, vaccine passports and business shutdowns.
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Volkonski wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:25 pm Florida grapples with COVID-19′s deadliest phase yet

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A woman died of the virus, and as her family was planning the funeral, her mother was also struck down. An aunt took over arrangements for the double funeral, only to die of COVID-19 herself two weeks afterward.

“That was one of the most devastating things ever,” said Bright, who also arranged the funeral last week of one of his closest friends.

Florida is in the grip of its deadliest wave of COVID-19 since the pandemic began, a disaster driven by the highly contagious delta variant.

While Florida’s vaccination rate is slightly higher than the national average, the Sunshine State has an outsize population of elderly people, who are especially vulnerable to the virus; a vibrant party scene; and a Republican governor who has taken a hard line against mask requirements, vaccine passports and business shutdowns.
Maybe tomorrow I'll find some time to research how this horrific outbreak has affected our tourism dollars. We're also fighting red tide and green algae so it may be hard to separate the two. We have some French neighbors who haven't been able to come down for over a year. They were supposed to come in a couple of weeks, (which we couldn't believe, considering the above) but then either France or the EU closed our borders to travel.
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AndyinPA wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:37 am I'm sure ERs must be using some type of triage, but, really, maybe it's time to triage non-vaxxed and ivermetin patients to the end of the line.
Hospitals have been rationing care for weeks. They've done so by postponing non-emergency surgeries.

Some hospitals may soon be triaging based on predicted survival. Because very few vaxed are dying they're probably less likely to need vents. They will probably be given care ahead of non-vaxed because they are less likely to need ICU beds.

Those needing ambulances to get to the ER are, in a way, triaged already. Those patients are already severely ill and can only be treated by EMTs until a bed opens. Those patients wait in the ambulance rather than getting timely care in the ER. This ties up EMTs and ambulances and sicker patients aren't getting even EMT care in a timely manner.

Hawaii is running out of supplemental oxygen. If hospitals have to ration oxygen, they are likely to give it to patients most likely to survive. One reason? Patients on vents and ECMO are using up most of the oxygen. Those on vents for covid typically have a survival rate of 70-80%.* ECMO is a hail Mary with covid; survival rate is approx 45%. ECMO requires that 100% of a patient's blood volume be oxygenated because their lungs can't absorb oxygen anymore.

Patients needing nasal cannulas to increase their oxygenation aren't requiring nearly as much oxygen as sicker patients.

But hospitals can't and won't take patients off vents or ECMO. Hospitals will have to limit the number of ICUs available to new admissions.

But there's another layer of triage. A large majority of ECMO patients have to be treated at major medical centers. Those centers are full.

Triage for critically ill covid patients now happens based on the number of ICU beds and ICU staff. It's easier to find beds for those who don't need ICUs. I'm assuming the vaxed are less likely to need ICU beds.

And, hospitals can create more regular hospital beds for covid patients by setting up mobile hospital tents. ICU beds can't be in mobile hospital tents. Most nurses and doctors aren't trained to provide ICU care.

Triage is already happening.


*In 2020, the survival rate for vented patients was 20-30%. Treatment for covid patients on ventilators has improved.
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Dr. Ken wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:11 am Gunshot Victims Left Waiting as Horse Dewormer Overdoses Overwhelm Oklahoma Hospitals, Doctor Says
The rise in people using ivermectin, an anti-parasitic drug usually reserved for deworming horses or livestock, as a treatment or preventative for Covid-19 has emergency rooms “so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting” access to health facilities, an emergency room doctor in Oklahoma said.

This week, Dr. Jason McElyea told KFOR the overdoses are causing backlogs in rural hospitals, leaving both beds and ambulance services scarce.

“The ERs are so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting to facilities where they can get definitive care and be treated,” McElyea said.

“All of their ambulances are stuck at the hospital waiting for a bed to open so they can take the patient in and they don’t have any, that’s it,” said McElyea. “If there’s no ambulance to take the call, there’s no ambulance to come to the call.”

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Ivermectin patients shouldn't be given hospital beds at all. AT ALL.
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Dr. Ken wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 8:11 am Gunshot Victims Left Waiting as Horse Dewormer Overdoses Overwhelm Oklahoma Hospitals, Doctor Says

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... d-1220608/
Hospital denies it.


Rolling Stone ran a story that they could've debunked with a single phone call.

They didn't make that phone call because they wanted it to be true and because it went viral and got clicks.

And they'll keep doing it because no one will hold them accountable.
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To update on Hawaii, oxygen arrived in Hawaii today, with more coming on Wednesday.

Our governor finally did ... something. He changed the way violators are fined. It had been a misdemeanor, so the Courts were clogged and public defenders were exhausted. Now it's a fine - up to $250 for individuals for violating limits for gatherings and up to $500 for businesses and event coordinators. My island and Oahu chose the highest fines.

So who's going to write up the fines? Not enough police for that, so county park rangers and liqueur commission investigators are also participating.

I guess we'll know how that worked out on Tuesday and how many new cases we have later in the week.
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These are times when you think that maybe Singapore is doing it right allowing their police to mete out instant justice with a public caning for infractions.
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I suspect the local reporting got what the doctor was saying wrong. Watching the snippets and reading the article, I'm guessing that he was talking about the generic dangers of ivermectin at one point, and at another point was talking about how people sick with covid were tying up the hospitals, perhaps linking reliance on ivermectin with refusal of vaccines and how that refusal was causing the overload of patients.
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"We feel like we have capacity in our state"

So he is the boss and has only "a feeling" but not the raw numbers to back up his feelings? Or is he just saying that according to the stats there are some free beds in the state and conveniently forgets to say those beds are noway near where the pandemic hotspots are?
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You know how you go to Lowe's to buy a leaf blower and tell the clerk their website says they have two in stock? Then the clerk goes to the back for 20 minutes then comes out and says, sorry we're all out. The computer must not have been updated recently.

I picture it like that.
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