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Covid rates have been climbing on Kauai since the rules relaxed. More residents are flying to the mainland and neighbor islands with no limitations if they are fully vaccinated. Then they become ill shortly after returning. Five more people today, fully vaccinated.

Don't know yet if they have the delta variant, but we know it's in Hawaii and we know the number of cases keeps creeping up.
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WaPO Newsletter wrote:The Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine has been linked to a rare side effect, the immune system disorder called Guillain-Barré syndrome. Of 12.8 million J&J doses administered in the United States, there have been about 100 cases of this, according to preliminary reports from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The Food and Drug Administration plans to add a warning about Guillain-Barré to the J&J vaccine, four people familiar with the situation told The Washington Post.
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Frankly, I'm a bit surprised it took this long to find an association with GBS, Pretty much every vaccine for an illness that can cause GBS is found to have an associated risk of GBS. Those mRNA vaccines are looking mighty fine, tho.
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W. Kevin Vicklund wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:40 pm Frankly, I'm a bit surprised it took this long to find an association with GBS, Pretty much every vaccine for an illness that can cause GBS is found to have an associated risk of GBS. Those mRNA vaccines are looking mighty fine, tho.
Apparently you have a greater chance of GBS after the common flu.
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A lot of vaccines have the possibility of triggering GBS. No one freaked out about it until we got the Covid vaccines. (Except for those who have experienced it. It's awful, but has always been a risk. Rare, but horrible for people who have it.)
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What Dr. Fiscus actually did was communicate to state vaccine providers the governor-approved language around vaccinating minors based on a Supreme @TNCourts ruling from 1987.

But someone read her memo, became alarmed, and then our state legislature got involved. One of them actually proposed dissolving the entire TN Board of Health over it. And now the TBH has suspended ALL messaging around vaccinations for minors.

That's NO vaccine messaging. Not for flu, measles, HPV, or any of the vaccinations required to attend public schools in our state. None. All because our state Republican lawmakers can't discern between healthcare and politics.

While the #DeltaVariant is rising. While we are a month away from the beginning of the school year. While our state stands at only 1 out of 3 citizens having received a COVID-19 vaccine.

Dr. Fiscus, I'm so sorry about this. But I'm a lot more sorry for the parents of school-aged kids in our state. #vaccineswork #getvaccinated #takeyourshot
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Insane! :mad:

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Just when you think people can't get more stupid.....................................
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Beware the F-bombs.

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Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:49 pm My hairdresser notified me today she has Covid. She didn't know if she had the Delta variant. She was very careful in her shop. She has some autoimmune issues and has had a helluva year with her sister and her mother dying. I wonder how much stress affected her immunity. She has had 2 doses of vaccine but I can't remember which one.
That's so sad. I worry about my antibodies despite having two doses, I should go get a test so at least I'll know either way. I just act like I'm unvaxxed, just in case.

Surprisingly enough, unvaxxed areas appear to be driving the latest outbreak numbers. Who'd a thunk it?
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Wow, funny how that works. Require vax for reentering regular life, and people sign up to get vaxxed. Can we do this here? Please?
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I don't get it really. I still have elder family/friends who refuse the vaccine -- a common refrain is that "It's not been FDA Approved"

But these are the same folks that hate government anything, so even if had full FDA approval, they would not get it. :?
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neonzx wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:14 pm I don't get it really. I still have elder family/friends who refuse the vaccine -- a common refrain is that "It's not been FDA Approved"

But these are the same folks that hate government anything, so even if had full FDA approval, they would not get it. :?
I dunno if they are RWNJs, but they sound like disingenuous RWNJs. They'll push that reason to the breaking point, and when it breaks they'll move onto something else.

That said, thoughts and prayers that they stay safe and free from Covid.
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covfefe wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:20 pm
neonzx wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:14 pm I don't get it really. I still have elder family/friends who refuse the vaccine -- a common refrain is that "It's not been FDA Approved"

But these are the same folks that hate government anything, so even if had full FDA approval, they would not get it. :?
I dunno if they are RWNJs, but they sound like disingenuous RWNJs. They'll push that reason to the breaking point, and when it breaks they'll move onto something else.
They ARE "RWNJs", full-tilt. They bitch about "Antifa" (still waiting for someone to show me) and crying about "socialism".
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Emmanuel Macro has learned what we learned during Zen Buddhist son's terrible 2's, 3's and 4's (Age 4 was the Dawn of the Age of Reason.) You just have to find the thing that motivates them to do what you want. :biggrin:
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Shit. We had Pfizer in March/April. All for getting a booster shot & kept wearing our masks indoors cause Floriduh.

Like the GOP wasn't getting small enough with demographic changes and seditionist repellent rhetoric... now Delta will get them. "We love to die and it shows"
More than 1,000 Israelis test positive for COVID
PM Bennett: Vaccine ‘significantly less’ effective against the Delta variant
By MAAYAN JAFFE-HOFFMAN, ROSSELLA TERCATIN JULY 17, 2021 22:31

The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against the Delta variant is “weaker” than health officials had hoped, Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said on Friday, as over 1,000 people tested positive for coronavirus and more countries were added to the list of places to which Israelis will be banned from traveling. “We do not know exactly to what degree the vaccine helps, but it is significantly less,” Bennett said.

The prime minister held a meeting of top health officials and ministers to discuss the next steps for managing the virus in light of the numbers in Israel and what Bennett described as “the Delta mutation leaping forward around the world, including in vaccinated countries such as Britain, Israel and the US.” He said that in “Britain, in recent days, we have seen a jump in the number of children who are being hospitalized on a daily basis. This is a development that we are aware of; we are dealing with it rationally and responsibly.”

With more than 5.7 million Israelis having received at least one shot of the Pfizer vaccine, the country continues to push for citizens – especially teenagers – to go out and get the jab. The highest number of coronavirus cases in nearly four months was diagnosed on Friday – 1,118 people, according to the Health Ministry’s Saturday night report. Of those screened, 1.58% tested positive. The reproduction rate (R), the number of people a sick person infects, stood at 1.37 – meaning that Covid-19 is spreading again. Among those who tested positive was an adviser to Religious Affairs Minister Matan Kahana. They had not been together since July 12, so he was told he did not need to enter isolation. Nonetheless, the minister and his staff were asked to take a coronavirus test.

While the spike in daily cases continues, the increase in serious morbidity has risen in a more limited way. Of those infected, some 58 were in serious condition, according to the ministry – an increase of six people over the weekend. In April, with around 6,500 active cases like now, there were 370 patients in serious conditions. The likely explanation is that among current virus carriers, about 2,000 are schoolchildren, and half of them were fully vaccinated. Both groups are very unlikely to develop severe forms of the disease, even though it occasionally happens.

At the moment, around 60% of the patients in serious conditions have been vaccinated. Moreover, according to Hebrew University researchers who advise the government, around 90% of newly infected people over the age of 50 are fully vaccinated. The “percent of cases that turn critically ill is now 1.6%, compared to 4% at a similar stage in the third wave when there were no vaccines,” Prof. Eran Segal, a computational biologist at the Weizmann Institute of Science who advises the coronavirus cabinet, tweeted on Friday. He said that even if the number of cases continues to increase, “many more cases will be needed than in the third wave to reach similarly high numbers of critically ill patients in the hospitals. This will contribute significantly to population-level immunity.” The Hebrew University researchers predicted Saturday that more than 100 serious cases are expected by the first half of August.
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Not good news. :( We knew there would be variants and probably new vaccines, but I didn't think it would happen so fast.
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The research data various A LOT in the numerous studies

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... ta-variant

Pfizer:
Study 3

A study in Canada, meanwhile, found that two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine worked just as well against the delta variant as it did with alpha. It has not yet been peer reviewed.

The study suggested the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was around 87 percent effective 14 days after two doses.
Study 4

A study in ScotlandTrusted Source found similar results. The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, researchers concluded, offered “very good” protection against the delta variant and demonstrated 79 percent effectiveness 14 days after receiving the second dose.

A study in Israel was more of an outlier and found that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine did not offer as high protection as previously estimated. The study suggested the vaccine was about 64 percent effective against preventing infection with the delta variant and 64 percent effective against symptomatic illness after two doses.
Moderna:
Study 1
A lab study on the Moderna vaccine showed that the vaccine was capable of providing protection against the delta variant and other variants tested, even though it was much more reduced compared with the alpha variant.

But the most interesting finding was that the vaccine was far more effective in producing antibodies against delta than it was against beta, according to the data, which has not yet been peer reviewed.
Study 2
The same Canadian study that found the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine to be 87 percent effective suggested that the Moderna vaccine was 72 percent effective against the delta variant after one dose.

There wasn’t enough data to calculate protection after two doses for Moderna. It’s also important to point out that the study has not yet been peer reviewed.
Johnson & Johnson:
Study 1
A recent clinical trial suggested that the vaccine was 85 percent effective against severe disease and demonstrated “strong, persistent” protection against hospitalization and death.

It also showed that the J&J vaccine prompted “neutralizing antibody activity,” which stops the virus from infecting healthy cells, against the delta variant at a higher level than it did for the beta variant.
Study 2
Interim results from a study involving 20 people has shown that the J&J vaccine neutralized the delta variant within 29 days of the first shot, and protection improved over time.
Prof. Tim Spector, an epidemiologist from King’s College London, told Healthline that it is now time for the United States to take lessons from the United Kingdom in dealing with this new variant.
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“Your risk may be an eighth of what it was [after getting vaccinated] but still a considerable number of people will be infected,” he added, highlighting the importance of physical distancing and wearing masks in crowded, unventilated places.
So maybe we should get the J&J shot instead of a 3rd shot of Pfizer or Moderna? And definitely keep wearing a mask and away from others.
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Lani wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:27 am The research data various A LOT in the numerous studies

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So maybe we should get the J&J shot instead of a 3rd shot of Pfizer or Moderna? And definitely keep wearing a mask and away from others.
Perhaps. I got the Moderna double-jab. Pfizer and Moderna are both mRNA vaccines -- both in to the 90% efficiency -- J&J is in the 60s.

I still keep a mask in my pocket, but I don't stress over it anymore.
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It's going to depend on which vaccine is most effective in combating delta. And then there will be more variants....until a lot more people are vaccinated. I'm sure researchers are going through the incoming data. J&J is looking good for battling the delta variant. The Israeli research looks bad for the mRNA vaccines. But time will tell.
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neonzx wrote: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:14 pm I don't get it really. I still have elder family/friends who refuse the vaccine -- a common refrain is that "It's not been FDA Approved"

But these are the same folks that hate government anything, so even if had full FDA approval, they would not get it. :?
That's incorrect. True: "authorized vaccines for emergency use." The difference is that those waiting for a full standard approval would need to wait 5+ years. Tell them that they may never get to see the full approval cause covid may catch up with them before.

Also too, with the real life use of the vaccines of serveral producers, there is a huge real world test of the vaccine in place. No detrimental side effects have been seen that would require a recall of any of the vaccine brands. Also too, when after initial rollout a few side effects became known, they were not sufficient enough to stop the application of any of the vaccine. It only led to a restriction on who should not use a vaccine. That is the same result as if comprehensive double blind study would have shown. Also too, that's the same reason why it took longer to approve the vaccines for younger people and why the vaccines are not approved for kids.
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FDA may authorize COVID-19 vaccine for children by midwinter

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Fri, July 16, 2021, 2:26 AM·

The Food and Drug Administration could grant an emergency use authorization for a COVID-19 vaccine for children by midwinter.

Thus far, the FDA has only given COVID-19 vaccines emergency approval for those over age 12. Both Pfizer and Moderna are currently running trials for those under age 12.

Although trial results are expected in the fall, an FDA official told NBC News the soonest an EAU would be granted for those under age 12 would be midwinter, as the agency requires more safety data. For adults, the FDA required two months of follow-up safety data after the vaccine trials. It will require four to six months for the under-12 trials.

Dr. Buddy Creech — one of the primary researchers for the Moderna KidCOVE clinical trials, which includes children as young as 6 months old — predicted a rollout of pediatric data similar to Pfizer's.

"I can't imagine, except maybe for the 6- to 11-year-olds, that we're going to have too much data before the late fall," Creech told NBC News.

He added it may take even longer to have data for those 5 and under.



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FDA grants Pfizer priority review for full U.S. approval

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Fri, July 16, 2021, 8:15 PM·

Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine was granted priority review for full approval by the Food Drug Administration for Americans 16 and older, Pfizer and BioNTech announced Friday.

Why it matters: A full approval for the Pfizer vaccine could help bolster the U.S. vaccination effort, as many people are reluctant to receive the vaccine under its emergency use status, the Boston Globe notes.

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The priority review shortens the approval process from 10 months to six months, with the goal date for a decision expected in January 2022.



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Comment: what all those who reject a vaccination do not understand is that a vaccination relieves the health care system from many bad cases that tie up scarce hospital resources and prevents the bad cases ending up two feet under rather than returning home.
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