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We had Military Misadventures & Military Crime, but this doesn't really fit in either. If someone has a better home for it, let me know.
U.S. MILITARY TRAINING DOCUMENT SAYS SOCIALISTS REPRESENT “TERRORIST” IDEOLOGY
A Navy training document asks, “Anarchists, socialists and neo-nazis represent which terrorist ideological category?”

A NAVY COUNTERTERRORISM training document obtained exclusively by The Intercept appears to conflate socialists with terrorists and lists the left-wing ideology alongside “neo-nazis.”

A section of the training document subtitled “Study Questions” includes the following: “Anarchists, socialists and neo-nazis represent which terrorist ideological category?”

The correct answer is “political terrorists,”
a military source briefed on the training told me. The document, titled “Introduction to Terrorism/Terrorist Operations,” is part of a longer training manual recently disseminated by the Naval Education Training and Command’s Navy Tactical Training Center in conjunction with the Center for Security Forces. The training is designed for masters-at-arms, the Navy’s internal police, the military source said.
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https://theintercept.com/2021/06/22/soc ... vy-antifa/

There are what, 100k-ish members of the Democratic Socialists of America, are they all considered terrorists under this training? And how will that affect them? Also, would this terrorism label include Bernie and AOC?

Or is it rather just some training manual that no one cares about anyway. :shrug:
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covfefe wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:38 pm We had Military Misadventures & Military Crime, but this doesn't really fit in either. If someone has a better home for it, let me know.
U.S. MILITARY TRAINING DOCUMENT SAYS SOCIALISTS REPRESENT “TERRORIST” IDEOLOGY

:snippity:
https://theintercept.com/2021/06/22/soc ... vy-antifa/

There are what, 100k-ish members of the Democratic Socialists of America, are they all considered terrorists under this training? And how will that affect them? Also, would this terrorism label include Bernie and AOC?

Or is it rather just some training manual that no one cares about anyway. :shrug:
How do they classify their European counterparts in NATO - much of them hailing commie socialists etc too, also :?:
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I’m more bothered by the fact that the Navy apparently believes there’s such a thing as “political terrorists.” As I understand it, the United States defines terrorism as
the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
Neither anarchists, neo-nazis, nor socialists would be considered terrorists under that definition without some showing that they used force or violence.
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Maybenaut wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:07 pmAs I understand it, the United States defines terrorism as
the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
Neither anarchists, neo-nazis, nor socialists would be considered terrorists under that definition without some showing that they used force or violence.
And, of course, some would argue by that definition the United States has engaged in terrorism.
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Buh-bye.
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There are other tweets talking about the inconsistencies in the letter and previous posts from the wife.
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Looks like middle management of the military is having a snit, i. e. Scheller (lt. Col), Marines and this dude. Fine by me if they Leave without pension or any other benefits, just leave NOW!
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And another benefit to be credited to the vaccine.
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MN-Skeptic wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:06 pm
There are other tweets talking about the inconsistencies in the letter and previous posts from the wife.
Go to her instagram account and read the entire post and the one that follows it. In the screen-grabbed post she said the army didn’t pay for the move, which they usually don’t unless you move right when you retire. She says on the very next instagram post that she’s on the farm with her three kids while her husband finishes out his army career, which is not at all uncommon.

Whoever claimed that she’s lying about her husband’s retirement based on this instagram post about the move is full of shit. But people make all kinds of unwarranted assumptions about the military, so I’m not surprised.
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https://twitter.com/Angry_Staffer/statu ... 0366736386
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Well, I hope he actually sent this letter since he left his real EDIPI/DoD ID number un-redacted on it.

If he didn’t, I bet his CO finds this and has a conversation with him.
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If you can't lie to yourself, who can you lie to?
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Uninformed wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:24 pm
Actually, Stonekettle, he literally can.

Under Article 30 of the UCMJ, anyone subject to the UCMJ can swear charges against anyone else subject to the UCMJ. He has to sign the charge sheet in front of a commissioned officer authorized to administer oaths. In so doing he must swear that he has investigated the conduct or has personal knowledge, and the allegations are true to the best of his knowledge and belief. It’s a very low bar - they usually have a paralegal do it.

That’s not to say it’ll go anywhere. Next stop is the Special Court-Martial Convening Authority, who isn’t required to take any action on the charge whatsoever.
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His wife left him or she just moved to their farm or whatever it is before he did?
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sugar magnolia wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:36 pm His wife left him or she just moved to their farm or whatever it is before he did?
There’s 2 guys. Marine Lt Col said his family left him on a since-deleted fb post.

Army Lt Col still has a wife - she went to the farm waiting for him to retire - lots of folks who don’t know anything about military transfers are calling her a liar.
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Maybenaut wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:50 pm
sugar magnolia wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:36 pm His wife left him or she just moved to their farm or whatever it is before he did?
There’s 2 guys. Marine Lt Col said his family left him on a since-deleted fb post.

Army Lt Col still has a wife - she went to the farm waiting for him to retire - lots of folks who don’t know anything about military transfers are calling her a liar.
Thanks. I'm getting my military nutcases confused.
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sugar magnolia wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:04 pm
Maybenaut wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:50 pm
sugar magnolia wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:36 pm His wife left him or she just moved to their farm or whatever it is before he did?
There’s 2 guys. Marine Lt Col said his family left him on a since-deleted fb post.

Army Lt Col still has a wife - she went to the farm waiting for him to retire - lots of folks who don’t know anything about military transfers are calling her a liar.
Thanks. I'm getting my military nutcases confused.
We might need a score card. There may be more of these in the future. I read an article in the Marine Corps Times about an enlisted woman who was summarily booted for refusing to wear a mask. I’ll see if I can post a link when I have more time.
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Marine Corporal Discharged over Refusal to Wear a Mask
Marine Cpl. Whitney McHaffie refused to comply with a mask mandate and doesn't want to be vaccinated against COVID-19.

A month after the Defense Department's mask mandate for unvaccinated troops went into effect, she was booted from the military, possibly making her the first service member to be forced out of the service for violating COVID-related rules.

McHaffie, who served at Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point, North Carolina, went viral on social media after appearing in a video with Josh Mandel, a former Ohio state treasurer who is currently in his second run for the Senate. The video, in which she tells her story of being swiftly booted from the Corps for disobeying the mask mandate, had more than 400,000 views as of Tuesday morning.

Vaccines are now mandatory for troops, but were not at the time of McHaffie's discharge. Despite that, the amateur MMA fighter and fifth-grade teacher in Ohio sought a religious exemption for the COVID-19 vaccine that had not been resolved by the time of her discharge.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... -mask.html
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I am not military, but refusing to wear a mask (fully mandatory or not) in the Marines seems downright, un-Marine like (or any branch, but Marines even more). They have rules for everything that is worn.
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northland10 wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:03 pm I am not military, but refusing to wear a mask (fully mandatory or not) in the Marines seems downright, un-Marine like (or any branch, but Marines even more). They have rules for everything that is worn.
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Ex-military but this thread could fit here.

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He's got the answers to ease my curiosity, He dreamed a god up and called it Christianity"

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US DOJ:
The complaint affidavit alleges that on April 1, 2020, Jonathan Toebbe sent a package to a foreign government, listing a return address in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, containing a sample of Restricted Data and instructions for establishing a covert relationship to purchase additional Restricted Data.
The "foreign government" actually was ... the Feebs. :smoking:
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bob wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:39 pm The "foreign government" actually was ... the Feebs. :smoking:
According to the complaint, the foreign government told the US about the initial effort to make contact and offer assistance. Perhaps the foreign power was not as hostile to US interests as one might suspect.
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