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Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:33 am
by Orlylicious
NYT story about the decline of gay rights as a huge issue (and IMPOTUS Administration ridiculously still fighting about it).
On L.G.B.T.Q. Rights, a Gulf Between Trump and Many Republican Voters
As more Republicans say they support at least some L.G.B.T.Q. protections, President Trump and party leaders continue to stand in opposition and particularly target transgender Americans.
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“Religious freedom and the protection of unborn lift ranks far higher in the hierarchy of the concerns from faith-based voters,” said Ralph Reed, the chairman of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, which works to drive evangelical voters to the polls.

On the campaign trail, most Republican elected officials now generally avoid broadcasting their opposition to same-sex marriage, except in select primary campaigns in deeply conservative districts. Meanwhile, a record number of L.G.B.T.Q. candidates won seats in the 2018 midterms, with 161 openly lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people elected, according to the Victory Fund, a nonpartisan political action committee devoted to electing L.G.B.T.Q. candidates. Most were Democrats.

Ed Goeas, a Republican pollster, said that what was once a hot-button issue for voters on the right had turned into something of a nonstarter.

“There was a period of concern over where things were moving on gay marriage: that a church that refused to marry a gay couple could be sued,” Mr. Goeas said in an interview. “The fact of the matter is, nothing’s really pushed it to that extent, everything’s sort of settled down into normalcy, and I don’t sense that it’s a big issue today.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/us/p ... icans.html

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:57 pm
by RTH10260
Stumbled upon this unusual bio, may be of historic interest to some
Overlooked No More: Valerie Solanas, Radical Feminist Who Shot Andy Warhol
She made daring arguments in “SCUM Manifesto,” her case for a world without men. But it was her attack on Warhol that came to define her life.

By Bonnie Wertheim
June 26, 2020

Overlooked is a series of obituaries about remarkable people whose deaths, beginning in 1851, went unreported in The Times. This month we’re adding the stories of important L.G.B.T.Q. figures.

On June 3, 1968, Valerie Solanas walked into Andy Warhol’s studio, the Factory, with a gun and a plan to enact vengeance. What happened next came to define her life and legacy: She fired at Warhol, nearly killing him. The incident reduced her to a tabloid headline, but also drew attention to her writing, which is still read in some women’s and gender studies courses today.

Solanas was a radical feminist (though she would say she loathed most feminists), a pioneering queer theorist (at least according to some) and the author of “SCUM Manifesto,” in which she argued for the wholesale extermination of men.

The manifesto, self-published in 1967, reads as satire, though Solanas defended it as serious. Its opening line is at once absurd and a call to arms for the coalition she was forming, the Society for Cutting Up Men:



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/obit ... ooked.html

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:55 am
by Slim Cognito
On a lighter note - on one of my few ventures into the outside world, I hazmatted up and wandered into my favorite store, Five Below (yes, I know their demo is tween girls, but I love their whimsy). While there I picked up a denim ball cap with a rainbow from their Gay Pride Month display. I always wear a ball cap when going out now so I've been wearing that one and I have had so many compliments from young people. It's my new favorite hat.

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:03 pm
by Tiredretiredlawyer
:-D
This is my Twitter pic.
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Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:20 pm
by Estiveo
My front yard every June:
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Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:15 pm
by Notorial Dissent
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:03 pm
:-D
This is my Twitter pic.

IMG_neiyjt.jpg
Lovely pic.

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:28 pm
by RVInit
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:03 pm
:-D
This is my Twitter pic.

IMG_neiyjt.jpg
That is beau-tee-full!

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:11 pm
by Tiredretiredlawyer
Estiveo -

My grandgurl loves rainbows so much she would fly the flag year round.

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:28 am
by RTH10260
:confused:
JK Rowling compares trans treatment to gay conversion therapy
Charlie Parker
Monday July 06 2020, 12.00pm BST, The Times

JK Rowling is at the centre of another row over trans rights after she described hormone treatment as a “new kind of conversion therapy for young gay people”.

The author, 54, commented on Twitter after she allegedly “liked” a tweet comparing hormone prescriptions to antidepressants. “Pure laziness for those who would rather medicate than put in the time and effort to heal people’s minds,” the post read.

Critics said that calling people who chose medication lazy was “beyond offensive”. They accused Rowling of being “actively harmful to millions”. So-called gay conversion therapy is a widely condemned pseudoscience while hormone treatment is approved for use by the NHS.

The backlash prompted the Harry Potter writer to clarify her position on mental health and trans women.


paywall https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... -t7z3kxnjn?

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:05 pm
by Notorial Dissent
This logic????? totally baffles and bewilders me.

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:50 pm
by RoadScholar
Rowling is dead to me.

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:56 pm
by fierceredpanda
I don't get what her issue even is at this point. People are entitled to opinions and whatnot, but she just keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper, and one would be forgiven for thinking she has something of an obsession with this topic.

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:22 pm
by Notorial Dissent
fierceredpanda wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:56 pm
I don't get what her issue even is at this point. People are entitled to opinions and whatnot, but she just keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper, and one would be forgiven for thinking she has something of an obsession with this topic.
She's using heavy duty excavation equipment, and just when I think she can't possibly say anything stupider she goes and does. This is some kind of mania/obsession with her that makes no sense.

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:56 pm
by neeneko
RoadScholar wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:50 pm
Rowling is dead to me.
I keep being surprised that people are surprised by her. Her books were steeped in biological essentialism, with how you were born deciding what you could do and which society you were part of. The 'fight for rights' of the series followed the same model as 2nd feminism's white suburban followers, were a relatively privileged group wants access to the elite privileges, but part of that elite privilege is agreeing the door should be closed behind them.

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:12 pm
by Orlylicious
A lot of the fan sites are removing her and just keeping the content of the books, but they are pretty disappointed. Here's GLADD's just released statement:











Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:29 pm
by Chilidog
Way to destroy your brand.

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:58 am
by fierceredpanda
neeneko wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:56 pm
RoadScholar wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:50 pm
Rowling is dead to me.
I keep being surprised that people are surprised by her. Her books were steeped in biological essentialism, with how you were born deciding what you could do and which society you were part of. The 'fight for rights' of the series followed the same model as 2nd feminism's white suburban followers, were a relatively privileged group wants access to the elite privileges, but part of that elite privilege is agreeing the door should be closed behind them.
I mean, you're not wrong about this, neeneko. But J.R.R. Tolkien's books were steeped in ethnic stereotypes and featured explicitly racist and Eurocentric themes (ever notice how all the "wicked men" in Middle Earth have swarthy skin and come from far away to the south or east?), and yet it still would have been surprising if Tolkien had openly supported National Socialism.

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:21 am
by HeatherGray
fierceredpanda wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:58 am
neeneko wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:56 pm
RoadScholar wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:50 pm
Rowling is dead to me.
I keep being surprised that people are surprised by her. Her books were steeped in biological essentialism, with how you were born deciding what you could do and which society you were part of. The 'fight for rights' of the series followed the same model as 2nd feminism's white suburban followers, were a relatively privileged group wants access to the elite privileges, but part of that elite privilege is agreeing the door should be closed behind them.
I mean, you're not wrong about this, neeneko. But J.R.R. Tolkien's books were steeped in ethnic stereotypes and featured explicitly racist and Eurocentric themes (ever notice how all the "wicked men" in Middle Earth have swarthy skin and come from far away to the south or east?), and yet it still would have been surprising if Tolkien had openly supported National Socialism.
I can't give a cite but apparently Tolkien was contacted at some point by a German publisher who wanted him to do something anti-Semitic. Evidently he responded that he had a deep respect for Jewish people and regretted the attacks that led to their diaspora.

Re: Gay Rights - LGBT - Same Sex Marriage

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:32 am
by neonzx
Video of historic same-sex marriage [Prop 8] trial in SF to be released in August
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/art ... o-19655934
Ten years after a historic trial in San Francisco on the right to same-sex marriage, a federal judge on Thursday ordered a videotape of the proceedings unsealed next month so that the public could finally view it.
:snippity:
Walker allowed video cameras to record the trial, but the Supreme Court, which bars cameras from its own hearings, refused to let him telecast the proceedings live to other federal courthouses or transfer them to YouTube for same-day posting. Backers of Prop. 8 had told the high court that their witnesses feared retaliation if the trial was telecast.

Walker retired from the bench in 2012. Federal courts kept the video sealed, citing Walker’s comment that he had kept it only to help him prepare his ruling. But the San Francisco-based court has a 10-year limit on sealing most types of documents, and on Thursday U.S. District Judge William Orrick III said sponsors of Prop. 8 had failed to justify keeping the recording hidden from public view.

“There is no evidence that any proponent (of Prop. 8) or trial witness fears retaliation or harassment,” Orrick said. “On the undisputed record before me, there is no justification, much less a compelling one, to keep the trial recordings under seal any longer.”

He ordered the video unsealed for public viewing on Aug. 12, when the 10-year deadline expires, unless a higher court intervenes.
I'm looking forward to seeing the actual trial video. You may recall that the Prop 8 trial was already recreated as a play using the court transcripts, but the original is.. well... original.

Here's a link to the play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlUG8F9uVgM
"8": A Play about the Fight for Marriage Equality
American Foundation for Equal Rights

Featuring an all-star cast including George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Martin Sheen, Jamie Lee Curtis, Jane Lynch, Kevin Bacon and others, "8" is a play written by Academy Award winning screenwriter Dustin Lance Black and directed by acclaimed actor and director Rob Reiner. It is a powerful account of the case filed by the American Foundation for Equal Rights (AFER) in the U.S. District Court in 2010 to overturn Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment that eliminated the rights of same-sex couples to marry in the state of California. Framed around the trial's historic closing arguments in June 2010, 8 provides an intimate look what unfolded when the issue of same-sex marriage was on trial.