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Kleptocracy

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Post by verbalobe » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:07 pm

From the Michael Cohen thread:
NMgirl wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:33 pm
Pecker saving his and his corporation's worthless hides. A twofer.

$1 billion in debt.

Payoffs to staffers and lawyers and fixers of $15,000, $35,000 ... A MONTH.

Famously, nice guys finish last, but where are the Donald's tax returns?

I'm never one to cry poverty, but I really wonder what the great unwashed, the rank and file, think about this when they see it. Do their eyes glaze over? It's not JUST that the uber rich are disconnected from the 99%, it's not JUST that so many of them seem to be out-and-out CROOKS, it's not JUST "income disparity", a term that sounds like a boring economic indicator like hogbelly futures -- it's the way all of this has seeped into the national unconsciousness and nobody seems to care or remark that the President casually offers a monthly stipend twice what my household makes in a year, just for someone to keep quiet about something. It's the moral decay AND the profligate trust in wealth to erase any consequences, to create an APPEARANCE of cleanliness.

It was the repair bill for the De Vos yacht, which would have paid off ALL my and my kids' educational debt. A yacht bought with the proceeds of a pyramid marketing scheme, if that isn't a symbol of everything wrong here.

It's the smirking self-satisfaction of McConnell and Ryan as they reap -- the tax law, Citizens United, obdurate refusal to enact campaign finance reform, repeal of net neutrality, right to work, deregulation of favored industries (banks! oil!) -- and funnel the proceeds to supporters and buddies who will keep them in power for pennies on the dollar, though the sums are astronomical.

WHY aren't more people deeply, angrily pissed off? How can Trump hang onto the rural white working class, when one of their bedrock values (supposedly?) was the worth of an honest day's work? Was that all just guff so they could pretend blacks and Hispanics are lazy? Aren't there households making $25K-$40K and barely scraping by, who feel the offense, as I do, PERSONALLY? Who WANT their labor, and their pay, to add up to something more than just decimal places and credit ratings -- to say something about a life well-lived, about a contribution to family, to town, to country?

What does it say to us -- we 99%-ers -- that the country's leadership views all that as sentimental crap, views us as fodder, as fools, as cogs, as less than full participants because we DON'T have trust funds and offshore accounts and entire armies of bookkeepers to hide our tax returns?

Some of this has always been true, but the Trump kakistocracy, kleptocracy, has put it on full, ignoble display.

/RANT

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Re: Kleptocracy

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Post by noblepa » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:13 pm

verbalobe wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:07 pm
From the Michael Cohen thread:

:snippity:

WHY aren't more people deeply, angrily pissed off?

Why aren't the religious right-wingers dropping him over his serial philandering and his self-confessed sexual predation? They claim to be the guardians of morality in this country and frequently and loudly decry any peccadillo committed by a democrat, but the OSG gets a pass?

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Post by Maybenaut » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:14 pm

verbalobe wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:07 pm
From the Michael Cohen thread:
NMgirl wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:33 pm
Pecker saving his and his corporation's worthless hides. A twofer.

$1 billion in debt.

Payoffs to staffers and lawyers and fixers of $15,000, $35,000 ... A MONTH.

Famously, nice guys finish last, but where are the Donald's tax returns?

I'm never one to cry poverty, but I really wonder what the great unwashed, the rank and file, think about this when they see it. Do their eyes glaze over? It's not JUST that the uber rich are disconnected from the 99%, it's not JUST that so many of them seem to be out-and-out CROOKS, it's not JUST "income disparity", a term that sounds like a boring economic indicator like hogbelly futures -- it's the way all of this has seeped into the national unconsciousness and nobody seems to care or remark that the President casually offers a monthly stipend twice what my household makes in a year, just for someone to keep quiet about something. It's the moral decay AND the profligate trust in wealth to erase any consequences, to create an APPEARANCE of cleanliness.

It was the repair bill for the De Vos yacht, which would have paid off ALL my and my kids' educational debt. A yacht bought with the proceeds of a pyramid marketing scheme, if that isn't a symbol of everything wrong here.

It's the smirking self-satisfaction of McConnell and Ryan as they reap -- the tax law, Citizens United, obdurate refusal to enact campaign finance reform, repeal of net neutrality, right to work, deregulation of favored industries (banks! oil!) -- and funnel the proceeds to supporters and buddies who will keep them in power for pennies on the dollar, though the sums are astronomical.

WHY aren't more people deeply, angrily pissed off? How can Trump hang onto the rural white working class, when one of their bedrock values (supposedly?) was the worth of an honest day's work? Was that all just guff so they could pretend blacks and Hispanics are lazy? Aren't there households making $25K-$40K and barely scraping by, who feel the offense, as I do, PERSONALLY? Who WANT their labor, and their pay, to add up to something more than just decimal places and credit ratings -- to say something about a life well-lived, about a contribution to family, to town, to country?

What does it say to us -- we 99%-ers -- that the country's leadership views all that as sentimental crap, views us as fodder, as fools, as cogs, as less than full participants because we DON'T have trust funds and offshore accounts and entire armies of bookkeepers to hide our tax returns?

Some of this has always been true, but the Trump kakistocracy, kleptocracy, has put it on full, ignoble display.

/RANT
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Post by NMgirl » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:29 pm

President Nice Guy Ronald Reagan was, so far as I know, the first president to openly embrace and promulgate the concept that greed is a good thing, that people are poor because they choose to be poor (work harder!), that the uber-rich deserve their grotesque inheritances, or salaries thousands of times greater than that of an ordinary worker. Who ever hears the word "commonweal" anymore? It's as dead as St. Ronald.

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Post by tek » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:31 pm

IMHO, way to many zeroes.

Half a million, or 2 million, or 25 million, does not really matter. These numbers are meaningless.

Until the dems can put these fiscal disasters in terms that really resonate with most voters, it's all just noise.
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Post by NMgirl » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:01 pm

tek wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:31 pm
IMHO, way to many zeroes.

Half a million, or 2 million, or 25 million, does not really matter. These numbers are meaningless.

Until the dems can put these fiscal disasters in terms that really resonate with most voters, it's all just noise.
I read on the Twitter, so obviously gospel, that trump's West Virginia hired thugs crowd went silent when he started boasting about how rich he is, the number of houses he owns (5th Avenue!), and how being that wealthy makes him the smartest and most successful man in the history of the United States. Maybe there is some hope that one or two of them will at least stay away from the polls on election day.
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Post by Northland10 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:08 pm

noblepa wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:13 pm
verbalobe wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:07 pm
From the Michael Cohen thread:

:snippity:

WHY aren't more people deeply, angrily pissed off?

Why aren't the religious right-wingers dropping him over his serial philandering and his self-confessed sexual predation? They claim to be the guardians of morality in this country and frequently and loudly decry any peccadillo committed by a democrat, but the OSG gets a pass?
"Ye shall know them by their fruits." (Matthew 7:16, KVJ).

The growth of the ministries of Jerry Falwell and his spawn, Bob Jones, and all the other RW religious types was not based on "righteousness" or even the "religious liberty' that they so strive for. Abortion was not even the initial beginning. It was all based on segregation. Their jump into the political ring was to protect segregation and their tax benefits, especially in their new "Christian Academies." From there, they discovered a new God, power.

Religious freedom to them is the freedom to enforce their theology on everybody else. It is an anathema to the Gospel, and since they are setting others adrift, it places them no less than enemies of Christ.

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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:01 am

Exclusive: Falwell steered Liberty University land deal benefiting his personal trainer
Aram Roston, Joshua Schneyer

LYNCHBURG, Va. (Reuters) - Evangelical leader and prominent Donald Trump backer Jerry Falwell Jr personally approved real estate transactions by his nonprofit Christian university that helped his personal fitness trainer obtain valuable university property, according to real estate records, internal university emails and interviews.

FILE PHOTO: Liberty University President Jerry Falwell Jr., attends the school's commencement ceremonies in Lynchburg, Virginia, U.S., May 11, 2019. REUTERS/Jonathan Drake
Around 2011, Falwell, president of Liberty University in Virginia, and his wife, Rebecca, began personal fitness training sessions with Benjamin Crosswhite, then a 23-year-old recent Liberty graduate. Now, after a series of university real estate transactions signed by Falwell, Crosswhite owns a sprawling 18-acre racquet sports and fitness facility on former Liberty property. Last year, a local bank approved a line of credit allowing Crosswhite’s business to borrow as much as $2 million against the property.

Falwell, one of the most influential right-wing Christian leaders in the United States, has been buffeted by disclosures about his private dealings over the last year and a half.

A Florida lawsuit brought public scrutiny to a relationship between the Falwells and Giancarlo Granda, a young man they befriended while he was working as a pool attendant at a luxury Miami Beach hotel and later backed in a business venture involving a youth hostel. Falwell filed an affidavit in 2018 saying he used his own wealth to lend $1.8 million to the $4.65 million project with Granda.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1VH283

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Post by Addie » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:41 am

Politico
‘Someone’s Gotta Tell the Freakin’ Truth’: Jerry Falwell’s Aides Break Their Silence

More than two dozen current and former Liberty University officials describe a culture of fear and self-dealing at the largest Christian college in the world.


At Liberty University, all anyone can talk about is Jerry Falwell Jr. Just not in public.

“When he does stupid stuff, people will mention it to others they consider confidants and not keep it totally secret,” a trusted adviser to Falwell, the school’s president and chancellor, told me. “But they won’t rat him out.”

That’s beginning to change.

Over the past year, Falwell, a prominent evangelical leader and supporter of President Donald Trump, has come under increasing scrutiny. News outlets have reported on business deals by Liberty University benefiting Falwell’s friends. Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen claimed that he had helped Falwell clean up racy “personal” photographs.

Based on scores of new interviews and documents obtained for this article, concerns about Falwell’s behavior go well beyond that—and it’s causing longtime, loyal Liberty University officials to rapidly lose faith in him.

More than two dozen current and former high-ranking Liberty University officials and close associates of Falwell spoke to me or provided documents for this article, opening up—for the first time at an institution so intimately associated with the Falwell family—about what they’ve experienced and why they don’t think he’s the right man to lead Liberty University or serve as a figurehead in the Christian conservative movement.

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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:32 pm

And now, the REAL story from Evan Hurst at Wonkette:


https://www.wonkette.com/jerry-and-his- ... 5.amp.html?

Jerry And His Amazing Technicolor Dreamcock: The Jerry Falwell Jr. Story! Allegedly!


When we clicked on the Politico long-read everybody's talking about today, about Jerry Falwell Jr., leader of the Liberty University clown college, and his destruction of what passes as his father's legacy, the first thing we noticed was the author of the piece. Brandon Ambrosino ... haven't we told that guy to go fuck himself before? Yes, we have, five years ago! Ambrosino was one of a contrarian cohort of gay conservative journalists who wrote from time to time to tell us all that the mainstream LGBT movement was very unfair to those poor conservative Christians, who just wanted the freedom to deny LGBT folks life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness at the ballot box, in the courts, and anywhere else they could. Frankly, he pissed us off, but then we forgot about him.

However, as it happens, we think Ambrosino is probably exactly the right journalist to tell the inside story of what's really going on at Liberty. He went to school there, he knows the characters involved, and he even, at least several years back, had a "soft spot for the deceased evil known as Jerry Falwell," as we wrote at the time. He knows Jerry Jr. He knows Jonathan Falwell, Jerry's brother, who runs Jerry Sr.'s old Thomas Road Baptist Church.

Quickly, though, let's review what we've learned about Falwell Jr. lately: There's the thing about Falwell's HOT SEXY personal trainer Ben Crosswhite, who SOMEHOW got himself a $2 million athletic club from Liberty University for the low, low price of No Dollars. Crosswhite is a different HOT SEXY guy from Giancarlo Granda, the poolboy who made friends with Jerry and Becki Falwell and somehow came out of the deal running a multi-million dollar hotel. (By the way, Becki comes off in Ambrosino's piece like A ASSHOLE.) Oh yeah, and what were all those nakey dirty pictures that somebody had that involved some untold number of Falwells, which incarcerated former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen had to help with, allegedly? Don't know, don't wanna see them! (Unless they are of the personal trainer, in which case look up our email and we'll be in our bunk!)

Anyway, that's some background, here's Jerry's penis:

At Liberty, Falwell is "very, very vocal" about his "sex life," in the words of one Liberty official—a characterization multiple current and former university officials and employees interviewed for this story support. In a car ride about a decade ago with a senior university official who has since left Liberty, "all he wanted to talk about was how he would nail his wife, how she couldn't handle [his penis size], and stuff of that sort," this former official recalled. Falwell did not respond to questions about this incident.
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Post by Volkonski » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:13 pm

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Falwell's Liberty University forbids its student from dancing or attending dances.
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Post by tek » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:08 pm

:doh:

:rotflmao:
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Post by Gregg » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:07 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:13 pm
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Falwell's Liberty University forbids its student from dancing or attending dances.
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Post by Whip » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:38 pm

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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:54 am

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/ ... 65962.html

In court fight over a South Beach hostel, Jerry Falwell Jr. might get a new judge


After two years of fights in a Miami-Dade court over his family’s purchase of a South Beach hostel, Jerry Falwell Jr. wants a new judge and a new legal venue.

On Friday, the evangelical leader and president of Liberty University filed papers to move his case from Florida’s Circuit Court system to federal court. The switch would mean a new judge for Falwell in the 2017 litigation filed by Gordon Bello, a Miami-Dade commission aide who claims he was cut out of a stake in the Alton Road hostel that the Falwell family bought for $4.7 million in early 2013.

Bello, 28, claims he and his father, developer Jett Bello, pitched the hostel idea to Falwell after being introduced through Granda. In an amended complaint filed in July, the younger Bello said Granda first introduced him to Rebecca Falwell and that the two formed a “personal relationship.” Later, the papers said, Granda introduced Bello to Jerry Falwell Jr.

In his suit, Bello, a 2016 University of Miami law school graduate, claims Falwell promised him a role in the hostel venture. Falwell, 57 and a former real estate lawyer, said in a 2018 affidavit that he had a brief discussion in Miami Beach in 2012 with the Bellos about potential real estate opportunities. But he denied making any sort of partnership offer or promise, and this week asked Miami-Dade Circuit Court Judge Spencer Eig to dismiss the case for lack of evidence.
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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:44 pm

Motions to "remove" generally have to be made within 30 days of learning of facts which make the complaint removable (transferable to federal court). Usually that's at the time of filing.

In the case of citizens of different states, which has "complete diversity" and amount in controversy" requirements, once the "amount in controversy" is ascertained (sometimes after lengthy discovery), a motion to remove can be made. Usually, though, the amount in controversy is well known soon after the lawsuit is filed.

So it's hard to know the basis for removal or whether it's timely. It's unusual to remove at such a late date for litigation commenced in 2017, so we shall see.

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