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NATO Must Lay Out Plan to Boost Spending Before May Summit: Tillerson

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson issued U.S. allies a deadline Friday: come up with a plan within the next two months to increase military spending.

Speaking ahead of his first talks with the alliance Friday, Tillerson said it was "no longer sustainable" for the U.S. to pay for a "disproportionate share" of NATO's budget. America's top diplomat said fellow NATO members had until their summit on May 25 to formulate this road map.

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization, better known as NATO, advises all its members to spend 2 percent of their GDP on defense. But most countries — all except United States, Britain, Estonia, Greece and Poland —fall short of this target.

Tillerson said these countries had until May 25 to deliver the plan. He said that by the end of this year they should be meeting this 2-percent target already, or have at least developed a detailed plan to do so.

He didn't say what would happen if leaders failed to meet his demand.
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Montenegro Joins NATO, First New Member in a Decade

NATO welcomed the tiny country of Montenegro, as its 29th member Monday — the first new member in nearly ten years and a move that comes on the heels of President Trump's visit to NATO's headquarters.

The State Department affirmed the U.S. commitment to North Atlantic Treaty Organization's chief principle to come to the defense of U.S. European allies.

"Montenegro's accession sends a strong message of strength to the region and makes clear to our allies," Under Sec. of State for Political Affairs Tom Shannon declared, "the U.S. remains as committed as ever to the principle of collective defense as enshrined in article five of the Washington Treaty."

President Trump declined to offer the same assurances while at the NATO headquarters less than two weeks ago unnerving many members of the security alliance.
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The Shove Heard Round the World ...

Because the president of the United States had in fact blundered into the most symbolic target possible: the leader of a tiny Balkan country that had chosen, at significant risk to itself, to join the NATO alliance—even as Trump became the first American leader since World War II to publicly question the alliance’s mission, future relevance and even its core principle of collective defense. Trump may not have meant it, but with one push he inadvertently highlighted not only his own ambivalence about the alliance but the tribulations of many countries in Eastern Europe that, like Montenegro, believe they are increasingly in the crosshairs of Russia. ...

Last October, when America was consumed by accusations of Russian meddling on behalf of Trump in our presidential election and the fallout from a leaked audiotape of the then-Republican nominee bragging about sexually forcing himself on women, the government of Montenegro announced that it had foiled at the last minute an attempted assassination and coup. This was staged, prosecutors claimed in an extraordinary indictment handed down this spring, by two Russian-backed opposition leaders and two members of the GRU, the Russian military intelligence agency, and the goal was to topple the government – and prevent Montenegro from joining NATO. ...

Montenegro, still reeling from the coup attempt, looked like an orphan cause, a country of barely 600,000 people on the Adriatic whose accession to NATO had never been a particular American goal to begin with.

“We saw a case study play out in Montenegro of what happens when America is ambivalent, and how nefarious forces—in this case, the Russians—looked at how they could take advantage of that,” argues Damon Wilson, a former Bush National Security Council aide who has closely worked on Balkan issues ever since and is now executive vice president of the Atlantic Council. “Just imagine if they could stop or disrupt the process of NATO enlargement, with a small country that not a lot of Americans are paying attention to. The geostrategic ramifications would have been profound—our alliance is faltering, American leadership is in question... The Russians could put an end to that story by tripping up the small little country in the Balkans. They smelled an opening.”
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Trump will destroy the western alliance before he is done. :(

U.S. Revives Concerns About European Defense Plans, Rattling NATO Allies

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/worl ... &smtyp=cur
After years of encouraging European nations to work together to provide more of their own defense, the United States is having second thoughts, driven by concerns about NATO and possible protectionism in defense industries.

The new American skepticism has been the big surprise of the high-level security conference held this past week in Munich. And it has puzzled and disconcerted NATO officials, who have welcomed the European Union’s new commitment, after the Russian annexation of Crimea, to do more for its own defense.

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But in the past few days, American officials have raised new questions and doubts about these European plans, expressing concerns that they could weaken the NATO alliance and cut out United States military manufacturers from bidding on certain European projects.

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“But President Trump and his administration have made it clear that they see a world of competitors, not allies,” Mr. Daalder said. “They have made it clear they don’t want a strong Europe, but see Europe as a competitor, which can only please Russia.”
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Volkonski wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:35 pm Trump will destroy the western alliance before he is done. :(

U.S. Revives Concerns About European Defense Plans, Rattling NATO Allies

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/worl ... &smtyp=cur
:snippity:
IMHO on the short term it will be about how to survive the Trump administration and guessing what will happen post-Trump. But at the same time it will have been a push to more self reliance within Europe, as the US is now considered to be an unreliable partner for the forseeable future. A next administration, Republicans or Democrats, will have lots of fixing to do (and that's also at home).
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Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Germany is not being discussed, U.S. ambassador to NATO says

The Trump administration’s ambassador to NATO said Thursday that no discussions are underway regarding withdrawal of U.S. troops in Germany, which she said remain an integral part of U.S. and alliance security strategy.

“There is nothing being said at all about the troop alignment in Germany or anything that would change” the basing arrangements there, Ambassador Kay Bailey Hutchison told reporters in a briefing about next week’s NATO summit. “I’ve heard nothing on that score.”

The Pentagon has undertaken a cost analysis of the 35,000 U.S. troops based in Germany as part of NATO and other missions, following expressions of concern by President Trump about the size and expense of their presence there.

European leaders are in a state of anxiety about the two-day NATO meeting, to be followed by Trump’s bilateral summit with Russian President Vladi­mir Putin in Helsinki. The president has long spoken disdainfully of NATO and other multilateral institutions, including the European Union, and has been especially critical of Germany for not spending a bigger portion of its own budget on defense.
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Trump trashes NATO 2 days before summit

President Trump slammed NATO — and singled out Germany — in a pair of Monday morning tweets two days before his trip to Brussels for the alliance's summit, saying NATO members "must do much more" and up their contributions.
"The United States is spending far more on NATO than any other Country. This is not fair, nor is it acceptable. While these countries have been increasing their contributions since I took office, they must do much more. Germany is at 1%, the U.S. is at 4%, and NATO benefits Europe far more than it does the U.S. By some accounts, the U.S. is paying for 90% of NATO, with many countries nowhere close to their 2% commitment. On top of this the European Union has a Trade Surplus of $151 Million with the U.S., with big Trade Barriers on U.S. goods. NO!"
Between the lines: Axios Jonathan Swan reported last night that senior European officials have said they are worried that Trump will spend the entire NATO summit beating up on America's closest allies, especially Germany, for not spending enough on their defense — and it looks like those fears were well-founded.
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Trump is talking as if he will pull out of NATO or otherwise cripple/kill NATO. And this at the same time he's making concessions to Putin, to Kim, to China, et al. I'm talking Manchurian Candidate here!
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After the NATO meeting, he'll get his next instructions from Putin in their private meeting. Manchurian candidate works for me.
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AndyinPA wrote: Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:39 pm After the NATO meeting, he'll get his next instructions from Putin in their private meeting. Manchurian candidate works for me.
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Its his usual MO. Trash the meeting beforehand to "scare them" then act like nice cop at the meeting. That way they will be so relieved that they will give him everything he wants!

Someday it might actually work.
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Suranis wrote: Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:52 pm Its his usual MO. Trash the meeting beforehand to "scare them" then act like nice cop at the meeting. That way they will be so relieved that they will give him everything he wants!

Someday it might actually work.
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#BREAKING: US President Donald Trump says "because of me" NATO has been raising money. He says it's not fair to the US taxpayers and his administration will make it fair

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Saw some clips of DJT blustering on the teevee box this morning.

Embarrassing is far too mild a word.
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tek wrote: Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:02 pm
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What does Trump do to always look so out of place? Is it his tie? His expression?
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TollandRCR wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:32 am What does Trump do to always look so out of place? Is it his tie? His expression?
The inhuman skin colouration?

It is an interesting question though. I chalk it up to being out of his world, he isn't one of these people, he knows it, and that is reflected in how he projects himself.
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Its partially because he wants to be the center of attention. He WANTS people looking at him. He NEEDS it. If he could get away with dressing as a clown in that pic he would. It would not surprise me if he deliberatly lookied the other way in that photo so he would be photoed and he would get more people thinking about him.

He is a black hole of attention.

The other part is that he is vain as fuck and wears shit that fits his official height rather than what he actually is.

Let us remind ourselves of what they were saying would be happening about now before the election, which lead to this mess.

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Trump to NATO: The US is spending too much on the military. You guys are bad.
Trumpkins: Oh that’s disgraceful.

Trump at a rally: I’m spending more on our military, making it strong, MAGA!
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GreatGrey wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:17 am B3C3D4E1-F9EE-4D2D-B193-E1FFC2948F38.jpeg
Oh, he's at the wrong meeting.

He was s'posed to go to NATO, not OTAN. :lol:
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So, Republicans, when Europe increases their defense spending does that mean we can cut our massive, bloated defense budget?

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