Military Guarding Mexico border

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It's fascinating even his fans can't find a flattering photo, one that doesn't make him look vacant, angry, distorted, etc.

If he found out about it, he'd probably demand royalties for use of his image.
That's not as far fetched as it sounds. We know Comrade Cheeto likes to unintentionally copy Nazis and its a little known fact that Hitler had whatever the days German version of copyrights on his image. The image that was used on German postage stamps and other official minutia and he was paid for every one of them. I dunno if Third Reich currency had his image on it, but I know their stamps did and lots of other official documents.
In addition, several Ministries were big customers of Mien Kampf, it was given to newlyweds when they got marriage licenses, military recruits and civilian civil servants, and every copy generated royalties for Hitler. It was a gig I'm sure Trump would admire, and copy, if he knew about it. Join the Army, get a copy of The Art of the Deal!
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Deployed Inside the United States: The Military Waits for the Migrant Caravan ...

Such is life on the latest front where American soldiers are deployed. The midterm elections are over, along with President Trump’s rafter-shaking rallies warning that an approaching migrant caravan of Central Americans amounts to a foreign “invasion” that warrants deploying up to 15,000 active-duty military troops to the border states of Texas, Arizona and California.

But the 5,600 American troops who rushed to the brown, dry scrub along the southwest border are still going through the motions of an elaborate mission that appeared to be set into action by a commander in chief determined to get his supporters to the polls, and a Pentagon leadership unable to convince him of its perils.

Two thousand miles away, at the Pentagon, officials privately derided the deployment as an expensive waste of time and resources, and a morale killer to boot.

Leading up to the midterm vote on Tuesday, the military announced that the border mission would be called Operation Faithful Patriot. But Defense Secretary Jim Mattis on Election Day told officials to drop the name, and the Pentagon sent out a terse news release a day later saying the operation was now simply to be known as border support. The term “faithful patriot,” officials said, had political overtones. ...

The Defense Department’s fiscal 2019 budget had already carved out funds for fighting the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, continuing the endless war in Afghanistan and preparing for a potential conflict with a foreign nation, such as China, Russia, North Korea or Iran.

There has been no money set aside to combat the men, women and children who are bound for the American border, many of them fleeing violence or corruption, nearly all seeking better lives. The troops are tasked with the same types of logistical, support and even clerical jobs that National Guard soldiers sent to the border earlier this year are already doing. ...

“When you give a soldier a real mission, you have less of a morale problem, even if it’s Christmas or Thanksgiving,” said Representative Anthony G. Brown, Democrat of Maryland and a former Army helicopter pilot who served in the Iraq war. “But when you send a soldier on a dubious mission, with no military value, over Thanksgiving, it doesn’t help morale at all.”

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Addie wrote:
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Deployed Inside the United States: The Military Waits for the Migrant Caravan ...

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“When you give a soldier a real mission, you have less of a morale problem, even if it’s Christmas or Thanksgiving,” said Representative Anthony G. Brown, Democrat of Maryland and a former Army helicopter pilot who served in the Iraq war. “But when you send a soldier on a dubious mission, with no military value, over Thanksgiving, it doesn’t help morale at all.”
I don't expect that dotus intends to visit the troops down at the border over Thanksgiving, or is he :?: :think:
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Be fair, you can't expect Trump to visit a war zone.

It might be raining there.

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Tell him its a rally in Mobile and he'll go. He might not even notice the difference if you tell him its in Arizona.
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:roll: What Trump doesn't understand is that this will hurt the US economy. Over 90,000 commuters cross between Tijuana and San Diego every day. That represents a lot of economic activity.
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Volkonski wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:43 pm
:roll: What Trump doesn't understand is that this will hurt the US economy. Over 90,000 commuters cross between Tijuana and San Diego every day. That represents a lot of economic activity.

It doesn't affect Trump's finances, so it's OK.

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This is madness. I read a story today that the government only expects 1% of them to make it to the border, so we've sent 15,000 troops to defend the borders from 70 migrants, at least half of who will be women and children and most of whom will wait in line to legally enter and apply for asylum.

So now, a full 2 weeks before these people can WALK to the border, he's closed off lanes in the entry point?

(btw, this has affected me at work, parts from the transmission plants made in Mexico and more often transmissions made here bound for the assembly plant in Mexico go through that point of entry)
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Fox and Friends is ramping up the caravan story. Lots of video of what they say are hundreds of them at the border in Tijuana. I have no idea how accurate their reporting is.

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Jeff Flake says that the U.S. troops deployed to Tucson to stop the migrant caravan are actually stationed about 90 miles from the border. "They’re not forward-deployed actually on the border. So I think you can't call it anything but a stunt here." @Morning_Joe
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Mattis visits the troops on this thread. Don't miss the part about his mother being a legal immigrant...

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Troops at U.S.-Mexican border to start coming home

The Pentagon is set to begin a drawdown of its 5,800 troops from the Southwest border as early as this week, the Army commander overseeing the mission told POLITICO today — even as the approaching caravan of refugees prompted U.S. customs officers to close a port of entry near Tijuana, Mexico.

All the active-duty troops that President Donald Trump ordered sent to the border before the midterm elections should be home by Christmas, said Army Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Buchanan, who is running the mission from San Antonio, Texas.

Buchanan also confirmed previous reports that the military rejected a request from the Department of Homeland Security for an armed force to back up Border Patrol agents in the event of a violent confrontation.

"That is a law enforcement task, and the secretary of defense does not have the authority to approve that inside the homeland," Buchanan said.

He said the troop deployment should start falling rapidly as engineer and logistics troops — some the largest parts of the deployment — wind down their mission of building base camps and fortifying ports of entry for the Border Patrol.

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Pentagon puts cost of border troops at $72 million -- for now

Washington (CNN) US taxpayers will pay $72 million to deploy active duty troops to the southern border with Mexico in order to fulfill President Donald Trump's directive that the Pentagon reinforce border personnel readying for the arrival of Central American migrants.

The Pentagon said Tuesday the $72 million price tag covers the cost of deploying the approximately 5,900 active duty troops until December 15 and will increase the longer the troops are deployed.

Trump has said he will deploy as many as 15,000 troops if needed to push back against a group of migrants who are planning on asking for asylum. On Tuesday, Trump told reporters that the troops "are proud to be on the border. They are proud to be defending our nation. And we are not letting people in."

Pentagon spokesman Col. Rob Manning said in a statement that "based on the current phased force laydown of approximately 5,900 Active Component personnel through December 15, 2018, the estimated cost to deploy, operate, sustain, and redeploy forces is approximately $72 million." ...

A defense official told CNN that lawmakers on Capitol Hill have been briefed on the cost estimate.

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First, a judge blocks his no-asylum order. Now the troops are coming home before the caravan arrives. I wonder who got the osg to agree to removing the troops. Will trump spin the razor wire fences as Mission Accomplished?
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Slim Cognito wrote:
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First, a judge blocks his no-asylum order. Now the troops are coming home before the caravan arrives. I wonder who got the osg to agree to removing the troops. Will trump spin the razor wire fences as Mission Accomplished?
Fox and Friends is. Says there's thousands already at Tijuana, and now that the barbed wire is up there are no more migrants climbing up the wall and jumping over until they get run back by border patrol.

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Kendra wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:20 am
Slim Cognito wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:20 am
First, a judge blocks his no-asylum order. Now the troops are coming home before the caravan arrives. I wonder who got the osg to agree to removing the troops. Will trump spin the razor wire fences as Mission Accomplished?
Fox and Friends is. Says there's thousands already at Tijuana, and now that the barbed wire is up there are no more migrants climbing up the wall and jumping over until they get run back by border patrol.
Tijuana? In Baja Mexico? Wow! The caravan took the long way around, didn't they?
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Slim Cognito wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 11:39 am
Kendra wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:20 am
Slim Cognito wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 9:20 am
First, a judge blocks his no-asylum order. Now the troops are coming home before the caravan arrives. I wonder who got the osg to agree to removing the troops. Will trump spin the razor wire fences as Mission Accomplished?
Fox and Friends is. Says there's thousands already at Tijuana, and now that the barbed wire is up there are no more migrants climbing up the wall and jumping over until they get run back by border patrol.
Tijuana? In Baja Mexico? Wow! The caravan took the long way around, didn't they?
Quick work, wasn't it? Been seeing film of the Tijuana locals in protest over being stuck with them for now. Where do they put them all?

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Homeland Security Dept. Finds ‘Minimal’ Risk to Border Guards, Undercutting Trump Plan

WASHINGTON — The probability that American border guards will face violence at the southwestern border is “minimal,” an internal Homeland Security Department document has concluded, undercutting a Trump administration proposal to protect the security officials from migrant attacks by pairing them with military troops.

The border intelligence analysis contrasts with statements by the department and the White House citing concerns about migrants overrunning official ports of entry and attacking border guards to enter the United States.

Dated Nov. 17, it was obtained by The New York Times as the Trump administration is considering teaming up military troops with customs officials and Border Patrol agents as they confront migrants.

“C.B.P. assesses the likelihood of violence directed against C.B.P. personnel along the border is minimal,” stated the document, which was produced by United States Customs and Border Protection, an arm of the Department of Homeland Security.
Then again:

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Mattis says he has extra authority to use military on border

WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Jim Mattis says the White House has given him authority to use military troops to protect Customs and Border Protection personnel at the southwest border.

This could, under certain circumstances, mean directing troops to temporarily detain migrants in the event of disorder or violence against border patrol agents.

Mattis said Wednesday such detention would be measured in “minutes, not even hours,” and does not mean troops would be performing law enforcement duties. He said the troops also could use lethal force, if necessary, to protect the border patrol.

Mattis said he would only exercise such authority after receiving a specific request from the Department of Homeland Security. He said this has expanded his authority but not the military’s border mission, which is still due to conclude Dec. 15.

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The W.H. has signed a memo allowing troops stationed at the border to engage in some law enforcement roles and use lethal force, if necessary — a move legal experts have cautioned may run afoul of the Posse Comitatus Act, Military Times reports.

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ACLU (or some like agency) filing for an emergency TRO in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .
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The W.H. has signed a memo allowing troops stationed at the border to engage in some law enforcement roles and use lethal force, if necessary — a move legal experts have cautioned may run afoul of the Posse Comitatus Act, Military Times reports.
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The W.H. has signed a memo allowing troops stationed at the border to engage in some law enforcement roles and use lethal force, if necessary — a move legal experts have cautioned may run afoul of the Posse Comitatus Act, Military Times reports.
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SLQ wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:26 pm
ACLU (or some like agency) filing for an emergency TRO in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

In the 9th Circuit, because if he loses there again he might lose his mind and send tanks to California.
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New York Times
American Troops at Border Won’t Have Guns, Mattis Says

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said on Wednesday that American troops stationed at the southwest border would not be armed with guns to confront incoming migrants, despite a White House directive that aims to protect border security officials by pairing them with military forces.

The White House memo seeks to expand the mission of the troops at the border to also include duties such as crowd control and temporary detention. But Mr. Mattis said it left the final decision on what American soldiers and Marines could do — and could not — to the defense secretary.

Mr. Mattis mentioned one possible instance in which troops might act: defending a border agent who was hit by a rock, and detaining the migrant who threw it. But asked whether such a situation might call for the American soldier to be armed, the defense secretary unequivocally said it would not.

“No,” he said. “Not with a firearm.”
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The Guardian: Trump grants troops guarding border authority to use 'lethal force' – report

White House ‘decision memorandum’ claims evidence indicates migrants ‘may prompt incidents of violence’

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Yep, I'm so glad we have units of the 82nd Airborne protecting us from these bad hombres....

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