Military Guarding Mexico border

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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:22 pm

Addie wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:51 pm
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Pentagon set to expand military role along southern border

:snippity: Senior Defense Department officials have recommended that acting defense secretary Patrick Shanahan approve a new request from the Department of Homeland Security to provide military lawyers, cooks and drivers to assist with handling a surge of migrants along the southern border.

The move would require authorizing waivers for about 300 troops to a long-standing policy prohibiting military personnel from coming into contact with migrants.
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As an outsider I don't see anything wrong that the military would provide drivers and possibly busses (not trucks) to transport immigrants to CPB camps, or between. Neither do I see anything speaking against the military providing kitchen facilities and cooking for immigrants under control of the CBP. Though I remember in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars they themselves outsourced at the base camps the Food&Beeverage functions to contractors.

On the other hand I cannot see that transfering a handful of military judges trained in military code and procedures will bring anything. They need a retraining in civil code and procedures and in a speciality of administrative law. I don't expect that the military justice system is overstaffed, so the military itself will suddenly find itself with a shortage of specialists.There is also a psychological aspect speaking against military judges: migrants coming from military dictatorships or nations where the military has strong influence on government may not believe in the impartiality of US courts.
PS. does the militar have extra finance provisions to pay for civilian clothing of military judges at civilian courts?

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Post by Addie » Sat May 11, 2019 2:18 pm

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Acting U.S. defense chief in Texas as Pentagon eyes longer-term support on Mexico border

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan made his second trip to the U.S.-Mexico border on Saturday as the Pentagon looks to develop a longer-term plan to support President Donald Trump’s immigration policies.

Shanahan traveled to McAllen, Texas, to meet with officials on the border and visit a migrant processing facility and Border Patrol station, two days after the White House announced Trump’s intention to nominate the former Boeing Co executive as defense secretary.

He was accompanied by another acting secretary, Kevin McAleenan, who leads the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) after a shake-up instigated by Trump, whose hard-line immigration policies have not stemmed a rising tide of migrants.

On Friday, the Pentagon said Shanahan approved the transfer of $1.5 billion to build more than 80 miles (130 km) of barriers on the border with Mexico, part of a patchwork project as Trump has failed to secure funding from Congress for a complete border wall.

Trump has been eager to have the U.S. military play a larger role on the U.S.-Mexico border and, despite some criticism from lawmakers, Pentagon officials say they are looking to create a long-term plan for assistance.

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Post by Addie » Sun May 12, 2019 5:49 pm

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Report: Missile System and Surveillance Plane Funding Will Go Towards the Border Wall ...

Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan told Congress on Friday that the Pentagon would be reprogramming money previously allotted for the war in Afghanistan and other military projects to help construct 80 miles of border barriers. Apart from this $1.5 billion, the Pentagon has also pledged $1 billion from Army personnel funds and $3.6 billion from other military construction projects to assist with border wall construction.

Shanahan said that the shift in funding would not affect the military’s readiness but did not specify the particular projects from which the Pentagon would be drawing the money. However, Washington Post reports that, based on internal documents, the department plans to delay an upgrade for its Minuteman II ballistic missile program, which is decades old. The Air Force has been testing a Minuteman III program in order to replace the nuclear intercontinental Minuteman II missiles.

The Pentagon also plans to delay an unspecified development in the Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS). AWACS planes conduct surveillance and communicate with fighter planes. The Post notes that the Pentagon terminated a $76 million contract with Boeing due to development delays late in 2018.

The department will be shifting additionally funds from a “space test experiment” run by the Defense Advanced Projects Research Agency (DARPA), the Blended Retirement System for servicemembers, and “Overseas Contingency Operations” funds to assist coalition forces and the Afghan military.

The documents obtained by the Post do not specify the amount of money coming from each program, though the AP reported that $604 million would be coming from the Afghan Security Forces Fund, $251 million from a project to destroy chemical munitions, $344 million from miscellaneous Air Force programs, $244 million from a military retirement system, and $78 million from a fund for military coalition partners.

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Post by fierceredpanda » Mon May 13, 2019 7:05 am

The strategic missile program delays interest me less. ICBMs are really of very limited utility, and upgrades to the Minuteman III can wait. But the AWACS "developments" - and one really must assume that means a successor to the E-3, which is built around an outdated Boeing 707 airliner, and is probably much in need of replacement - are alarming. Good airborne radar coverage is essential to maintaining air superiority if we ever have an actual armed conflict with an adversary state who has an air force. That's a lot more important than missiles sitting in underground silos that every sane person on Earth hopes and prays never have to be used.
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Post by pipistrelle » Mon May 13, 2019 7:26 am

What concerns me is a large number of people employed in government pandering to whatever visions from movies and TV Miller is instilling into Individual-1's head so that they are output as terrible policies that risk national security for the sake of the self-stroking of ego through an endless series of tweets. DoD needs a leader, not a sycophant.

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Post by fierceredpanda » Mon May 13, 2019 7:50 am

pipistrelle wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 7:26 am
DoD needs a leader, not a sycophant.
True that, but therein lies the problem with civilian control of the military.
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Post by Gregg » Tue May 14, 2019 1:51 am

fierceredpanda wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 7:05 am
The strategic missile program delays interest me less. ICBMs are really of very limited utility, and upgrades to the Minuteman III can wait. But the AWACS "developments" - and one really must assume that means a successor to the E-3, which is built around an outdated Boeing 707 airliner, and is probably much in need of replacement - are alarming. Good airborne radar coverage is essential to maintaining air superiority if we ever have an actual armed conflict with an adversary state who has an air force. That's a lot more important than missiles sitting in underground silos that every sane person on Earth hopes and prays never have to be used.
I'd mostly agree, except making it known that we're not updating ICBMs it could be argued makes the possibility of either a pre-emptive strike on them, or threat of being blackmailed to do so, greater. Sure, I doubt anyone's gonna fire the things, but you have to think Putin loves them being more vulnerable, and us announcing that they are, just to remove any doubts.

I'm telling ya, he's a stable genius.

I'm a lot pissed off about cutting what are where the pensions come from, the money we're spend to protect the troops we have in active war theaters and yeah, the money for allies, too. On that, a good deal of what we spend on allies comes back in orders for hardware. Foreign Military Aid has a pretty big jobs program built into it.
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Post by fierceredpanda » Tue May 14, 2019 7:59 am

Eh, given the very real concerns about the efficacy of Russia's ICBM arsenal, which is still heavily reliant on SS-18s and SS-19s that are every bit as old as our Minuteman II and IIIs, I'm still not particularly worried about a sudden lack of a serious deterrent. Truth be told, our land-based ICBMs are almost redundant given the accuracy of the Trident II submarine-launched missiles. Literally everyone knows where our Minuteman silos are. You can literally look on Wikipedia and find GPS coordinates for silos and launch control centers, not to mention looking at Google Earth and seeing the great big concrete slab in a fenced-off area surrounded by farms. US ballistic missile subs, on the other hand, could be basically anywhere, and the circular error probable on the Tridents is so small as to be negligible. And if that's not surgical enough, you could send in a B-2 bomber loaded with B-83 nuclear gravity bombs.

tl;dr: I'm not worried about our nuclear deterrent.
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Post by Volkonski » Wed May 15, 2019 8:15 am

And now the TSA.
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The Transportation Security Administration plans to send hundreds of officials to help with efforts to deal with migrant inflows on the southern border just as the busy summer travel season begins, according to an internal email obtained by CNN
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The task of the TSA workers, which a source said will include air marshals, will be to assist temporarily with immigration duties. TSA acknowledged in an internal email the "immediate need" comes with the acceptance of "some risk" of depleted resources in aviation security.

TSA plans for the deployments to involve up to 175 law enforcement officials and as many as "400 people from Security Ops," according to two sources and the email. At least initially, the efforts will not involve uniformed airport screeners, according to the email, which says that some parts of TSA would be asked to contribute "around 10%" of its workforce.

"There is now immediate need for more help from TSA at the SW border," a senior TSA official, Gary Renfrow, wrote in the email to agency regional management. "TSA has committed to support with 400 people from Security Ops" who will be deployed in waves "similar to support for past hurricanes."

"We also understand that we are accepting some risk as we enter a very busy summer," Renfrow wrote, calling this effort an "additional challenge."
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Post by RTH10260 » Wed May 15, 2019 9:01 am

My best guess is that the TSA agents will be handling a lot of paperwork for the CBP cause they are not otherwise qualified on immigration.

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Post by fierceredpanda » Wed May 15, 2019 9:05 am

RTH10260 wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 9:01 am
My best guess is that the TSA agents will be handling a lot of paperwork for the CBP cause they are not otherwise qualified on immigration.
Given their failure rates in routine drills at airports, they're not really qualified to do airport security screens either.
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