Syria - Stepping into the Void

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Post by DmitriNotPetra » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:24 pm

Then "Veterans Today" takes a break from its 9/11 WAS TEH CONSPIRACY coverage to join in the chorus:



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Post by Estiveo » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:43 pm

I see it now.

What about it? Whole buncha meh.
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Post by Foggy » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:18 am

I don't see any meh. If the Russians can convince the InfoWars base IN ADVANCE that we're helping fake chemical attacks on Syrian civilians, then when they actually do use chemical weapons, there will be a segment of Americans - and at least one or two Fox News weenies - telling us it's all fake news. And the leader of the Russian government in America, aka twitler, won't do anything to punish the culprits. Why is that meh?
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Post by Estiveo » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:21 am

That segment of Americans was gonna yell false flag with or without the super-obvious Russian propaganda (see Sandy Hook, Parkland, Las Vegas, 911, etc.) That same segment of America already questions previous chemical attacks.

Meh.

Also, how much is a Russian attempt to distract from them being revealed as responsible for the Cuban sonic/microwave weapon attacks?

It's all obfuscation and obvious overkill to play to the base of the Russian stooge in the White House. It's nothing new, just slightly more brazen, because a reliable percentage of the American people are fucking morons.

Meh I say.
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Post by Foggy » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:34 am

I meh quote you on that someday ... :lol:
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Post by DmitriNotPetra » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:02 pm

Estiveo wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:21 am
That segment of Americans was gonna yell false flag with or without the super-obvious Russian propaganda (see Sandy Hook, Parkland, Las Vegas, 911, etc.) That same segment of America already questions previous chemical attacks.

Meh.

Also, how much is a Russian attempt to distract from them being revealed as responsible for the Cuban sonic/microwave weapon attacks?

It's all obfuscation and obvious overkill to play to the base of the Russian stooge in the White House. It's nothing new, just slightly more brazen, because a reliable percentage of the American people are fucking morons.

Meh I say.
You can meh all you want, but when people Google "Idlib" and this is one of the the first things they see, its going to have an effect on people's opinion, Infowars and the other conspiracy sites non-withstanding. Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, and Google are still being played like a fiddle by state-sponsored decentralized propaganda campaigns.


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Post by Estiveo » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:21 pm

OMG WTF BBQ! Russia Today is carrying Russian propaganda?!?!!! Heaven forfend, whatever shall we DO?

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Post by DmitriNotPetra » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:19 pm

No, the issue isn't that Russia Today is carrying Russian propaganda, its that Russian propaganda comes up as the third option when a person Googles a current event. Russia Today should not be counted among Reuters in "current news." This is why we have such a problem with the news media being discredited and "fake news" spread alongside it.

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Post by Estiveo » Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:38 pm

Explain how Google's algorithms for presenting news results work, then you can complain.

Seriously, the people predisposed to believe this codswallop are going to believe it regardless of whether they see it before or after the hypothetical event.
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Post by DmitriNotPetra » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:32 pm

I reject your assertion that one must explain the mathematical basis of Google's algorithms to say that Russia Today should not be counted among credible news outlets. Nice meme.

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Post by Estiveo » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:59 pm

I'd reject your rejection but, y'know,
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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:09 pm

Russia says Syrian missile brought down military aircraft
Press Association 2018

Russia’s defence ministry said one of its reconnaissance aircraft has been brought down by a Syrian surface-to-air missile over the Mediterranean Sea.

Rescuers are searching for wreckage but do not expect survivors among the 15 people who were on board.

The Russian military said the plane was hit by accident by one of the missiles, which were aimed at four Israeli fighter jets that were attacking targets in the coastal province of Lattakia late on Monday.

Russia said the Israeli aircraft “pushed” the Russian plane into the line of fire.

The ministry accused the Israeli army of “intentional provocation” and said Israel did not warn Russia of its operation in the area until one minute before the strike.

Russia has been a key backer of Syrian president Bashar Assad and it has two military bases in the country, including one close to the Mediterranean coast.

The Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft was struck 22 miles off the coast as it was returning to its home base nearby.


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Post by Volkonski » Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:44 am

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Post by Volkonski » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:07 pm

Looks like Putin is taking advantage of Trump's distractions to cement Russia's position in Syria. :?

In a blow to Israel, Russia says it will send Syria powerful antiaircraft missiles

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in ... 5f9100f237
Russia said Monday it would equip Syria with sophisticated air defense systems, a move that could worsen a rift with Israel by limiting its ability to bomb across its northern border.

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Moscow would send Russia’s powerful S-300 ground-to-air missile systems to Syria, a longtime ally, in the next two weeks. Israel, which has repeatedly bombed Iranian targets in Syria, had long been opposed to such deliveries, and Russia has in the past abided by Israel’s request.

But the downing last week of a Russian reconnaissance plane with 15 service members aboard changed the dynamic. The plane was shot down by a Syrian missile, but Russia faulted Israel for the crash because an Israeli fighter jet allegedly had used the Russian plane as a screen against Syria’s air defenses.
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Post by HST's Ghost » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:16 pm

Indeed. Strike while the campaign of disarray is blossoming. Russia needs to protect her Khmeimim Air Base, the first of many perhaps...
'Israel Launches Series of Strikes on Targets Near Syria's Latakia'
Unusual strikes attributed to Israel by Arab media
- Missiles hit area near Russian military base injuring 10; Syrian military source says some were intercepted
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The attack near Latakia is especially unusual because the port city is located near a Russian military base, the Khmeimim Air Force base. The base is home to Russian jet planes and an S-400 aerial defense system. According to Arab media reports, Israel has rarely struck that area since the Russians arrived there.
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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:43 pm

US Allies Reeling from ‘Trump Withdrawal’ Scramble in Syria
December 23, 2018 11:06 AM
Jamie Dettmer

British and French officials are scrambling to determine how they can maintain military pressure on the Islamic State terror group once the United States has pulled out its ground forces from northeast Syria.

Both countries have said they plan to continue airstrikes and ground operations in Syria, but the timing and scope of the U.S. withdrawal, say officials still reeling from President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw U.S. forces, remains unclear and is complicating war-planning in London and Paris.

The British and French governments are trying also to gain a clearer understanding, say officials, of Turkish military intentions in northeast Syria, and when or if the Turks, as they have threatened, launch an offensive east of the Euphrates River to attack the Western-allied Kurdish Peoples’ Protection Units, or YPG.



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Post by Kendra » Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:07 am


President @RT_Erdogan of Turkey has very strongly informed me that he will eradicate whatever is left of ISIS in Syria....and he is a man who can do it plus, Turkey is right “next door.” Our troops are coming home!

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Post by HST's Ghost » Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:46 am

What's the over/under on the 2,000 troops being re-located to a nearby border, and then being called back in when Turkey (or Iraq or Syria) starts trying to slaughter the Kurds?? Did someone whisper to him that they are "anarcho-communists" and he thought, "fuck them"?
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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:04 am

Kendra wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 4:07 am
https:// twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1077064829825966081
President @RT_Erdogan of Turkey has very strongly informed me that he will eradicate whatever is left of ISIS in Syria....and he is a man who can do it plus, Turkey is right “next door.” Our troops are coming home!
What we have seen by the Mattis' letter is that dotus is unable to hear and read the finer points of diplomatic language. The real ISIS elements in Syria are far away from the Turkish border, the Syrian army with Russian help are entangled with the remaining fighters. The region near to the Turkish border was cleared of the real ISIS by the Kurds. So Erdogan will turn on what he sees as terrorists identical to ISIS, the Kurds.

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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:15 am

Russia and Turkey to coordinate action “to root out terrorism” in Syria

By Euronews • last updated: 29/12/2018

Russia and Turkey say they will work together to “root out” the threat of terrorism from Syria, in view of the United States’s planned withdrawal from the region.

The joint stance was announced at an emergency meeting in Moscow of foreign and defence ministers from the two countries, which was called to discuss the Syrian situation.

"An understanding was reached,” said Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov, “On how military representatives of Russia and Turkey will coordinate on the ground with a view to finally rooting out terrorist threats in Syria."

Turkish troops have been amassing around the northern town of Manbij - which has been held by Kurdish groups that Istanbul see as terrorist organisations.

The Kurds have called for support from the Syrian army in view of the power vacuum that’s likely to be left by the planned US withdrawal.



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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:12 am

U.S. wants Western allies to police Syria buffer zone – WSJ
The United States has asked its Western allies to create and possibly enforce a buffer zone in northern Syria, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing unidentified U.S. officials.

The countries approached have yet to agree, potentially slowing a planned U.S. withdrawal announced by President Donald Trump, the newspaper said.

The blueprint is designed to avert a resurgence of Islamic State (ISIS) in the region and possible clashes between NATO ally Turkey and Kurdish forces that are helping the United States defeat the extreme Islamist group, the Journal said.

A European diplomat confirmed to the newspaper that U.S. officials are in talks with their European counterparts about the buffer zone, but there had been no official response because the negotiations were ongoing.

Ilham Ahmed, a senior Kurdish official who represents the political wing of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), said ISIS still presents a danger and has set up sleeper cells in the region.

The buffer zone would encapsulate a 20-mile deep pocket along the Turkish border inside Syria, which would stretch from the River Euphrates to the border with Iraq, U.S. officials said, according to the newspaper.

The United States would offer support via intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance using drones and other equipment, along with rapid reaction forces if needed. It could also provide logistical support including evacuating casualties, the Wall Street Journal said, citing the plan.

General Joe Dunford, head of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, returned from Brussels, Belgium last week where he met senior European leaders. Dunford has also been involved in persuading them that the plan will work, the newspaper reported.


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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:13 am

Islamic State has not been beaten in Syria and still poses huge threat, U.N. report says, contradicting Trump
AFP-JIJI FEB 7, 2019

UNITED NATIONS - The Islamic State group has not been defeated in Syria and continues to pose by far the most significant threat of any terrorist group, U.N. sanctions monitors said Wednesday, contradicting President Donald Trump’s claim that IS is nearly wiped out.

There are between 14,000 and 18,000 IS militants in Syria and in Iraq, including up to 3,000 foreign fighters, according to a report that the sanctions monitoring team presented to the Security Council.

The group “has not yet been defeated in the Syrian Arab Republic, but it remains under intense military pressure in its residual territory stronghold in the east of the country,” said the report. “It has shown a determination to resist and the capability to counterattack.”

Trump stunned Western allies on Dec. 19 by announcing that the United States would pull its 2,000 troops out of Syria, declaring that IS had been defeated. His assertion has collided with the assessment of his own national intelligence director, Dan Coats, who described the jihadi group as a potent threat in the Middle East and to the West.

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told a 79-nation meeting in Washington on Wednesday that the United States remains committed to crushing IS but its approach could change in “an era of decentralized jihad.”

The sanctions monitors, who reported on the threat from IS, al-Qaida and other groups blacklisted as terrorist groups by the United Nations, said the jihadis rank as the most dangerous.

U.N. sanctions monitors said that with the loss of its caliphate in Iraq and Syria, IS has morphed into a covert network, under the leadership of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

IS leadership has been reduced to a dispersed group and “is directing some fighters to return to Iraq to join the network there” with the aim “to survive, consolidate and resurge in the core area,” said the report.



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Post by Addie » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:20 pm

New York Times
U.S. Withdrawal From Syria Forces Allies to Face the Return of ISIS Detainees

WASHINGTON — President Trump’s abrupt decision to withdraw American troops from northern Syria provoked widespread fears over a future resurgence of the Islamic State. But it may yet have a silver lining: Other countries have signaled they are willing to take back their citizens who joined the terrorist group but are now detained in makeshift camps.

About 850 men and several thousand women and children from nearly 50 countries are being held in northern Syria in detention camps for Islamic State fighters and sympathizers. They have been locked up indefinitely, in ad hoc wartime prisons and refugee camps, by the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces, which is allied with the United States.

Most of those detainees’ home countries have been looking the other way, despite the Kurds’ pleas to relieve them of that burden. But Mr. Trump’s sudden announcement on Dec. 19 that he intended to withdraw American troops soon has since called into doubt the Kurds’ ability to maintain control of the prisons and camps.

That, in turn, has led to concerns that the foreign fighters could escape or be freed and return home to launch attacks — and to a new burst of activity to repatriate some of them.

“Since the Syria withdrawal announcement was made in December, we have detected a new sense of urgency among our partner nations,” said Nathan A. Sales, the State Department’s top counterterrorism official.

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Post by Addie » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:02 am

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General Joseph Votel breaks rank with Trump over Syria

As President Donald Trump is due to declare the end of Islamic State (IS), the top US general in the Middle East says he disagrees with the decision.


Gen Joseph Votel told CNN that IS militants were still active in Syria and US-backed forces were not yet capable of handling the threat alone.

The commander told the Senate last week that Mr Trump did not consult him ahead of announcing his Syria pull-out plans.

He is the latest US official to break with Mr Trump over his Syria strategy.

"[IS] still has leaders, still has fighters, it still has facilitators, it still has resources, so our continued military pressure is necessary to continue to go after that network," Gen Votel told CNN on Friday.

"When I say, 'we have defeated them,' I want to ensure that means they do not have the capability to plot or direct attacks against the US or our allies."

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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:34 pm

American Muslim woman wants back after being a ISIS agitator
Hoda Muthana 'deeply regrets' joining Isis and wants to return home
Exclusive: Muthana is only American among 1,500 foreign women and children at a Syrian refugee camp

Martin Chulov and Bethan McKernan in al-Hawl, Syria
Sun 17 Feb 2019 19.30 GMT Last modified on Sun 17 Feb 2019 22.58 GMT

An American woman captured by Kurdish forces after fleeing the last pocket of land controlled by Islamic State says she “deeply regrets” travelling to Syria to join the terror group and has pleaded to be allowed to return to her family in Alabama.

Once one of Isis’s most prominent online agitators who took to social media to call for the blood of Americans to be spilled, Hoda Muthana, 24, claims to have made a “big mistake” when she left the US four years ago and says she was brainwashed into doing so online.

Speaking from al-Hawl refugee camp in northern Syria, while her 18-month-old son played at her feet, Muthana said she misunderstood her faith, and that friends she had at the time believed they were following Islamic tenets when they aligned themselves to Isis.

“We were basically in the time of ignorance […] and then became jihadi, if you like to describe it that way,” she said. “I thought I was doing things correctly for the sake of God.”


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... eturn-home

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