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Sam the Centipede wrote:
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I guess with more of these incidents being reported that there soon will be a "dead man" switch installed in this type of cars. Alarm, if not deactivated within seconds the car stops. With the programmed intelligence it will drive to the curb or emergency lane to halt.
I have two vehicles with level 2 autonomy including lane keeping. They require occasional pressure or similar inputs on the steering wheel or the car will slow down and stop. Certain Cadillacs and other cars with level 2 monitor the eyeballs of the driver and do the same.

When I'm really old a decrepit :geezer: I am looking forward to at least level 4 autonomy.
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Sterns driving has really gone downhill since they stopped the chariot races at the Colloseum :(
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Suranis wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:42 am
Sterns driving has really gone downhill since they stopped the chariot races at the Colloseum :(
'Fraid you're misinformed! He and his California friends resurrected the races as private, invitation only events to fill quiet Sundays — why else do you think the Los Angeles Rams had to move to St. Louis? ;)

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Sam the Centipede wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:28 am
Suranis wrote:
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Sterns driving has really gone downhill since they stopped the chariot races at the Colloseum :(
'Fraid you're misinformed! He and his California friends resurrected the races as private, invitation only events to fill quiet Sundays — why else do you think the Los Angeles Rams had to move to St. Louis? ;)
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Suranis wrote:
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Sterns driving has really gone downhill since they stopped the chariot races at the Colloseum :(
We still manage to get some racing done.

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Speaking of racing...

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/09/te ... rburgring/
As part of Porsche's build-up to Wednesday's launch of the Taycan electric car, it took a track-prepped prototype to Germany's famous Nürburgring Nordschleife. This 12.9-mile (20.8km) track, built in the 1920s as a depression-era public works project, is widely considered to be one of (if not the) most challenging race tracks in the world. It's narrow, extremely bumpy, very fast in places, and rises and falls a total of 900 feet (300m) throughout the lap.

Opinions remain divided about how relevant a Nordschleife lap time is to your average Jane or Joe driving their daily commute, but the fact remains that a 'Ring lap time is useful ammo for marketing and bench racing. Which is why Elon Musk took to Twitter last night to let the world know that he's sending a Model S around the track they call "the Green Hell" next week in an effort to beat the Taycan's 7 minute 42 second run.

To which I say: Bravo! I've been dying to see Tesla engage with motorsport for at least five years now, and this is as close as the company—which builds ludicrously quick cars, lest we forget—has gotten. But it's going to be a tough challenge for the car.

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If past experience is any guide, the Tesla will erupt in flames on the backstretch. Its batteries overheat after a few minutes of the electric version of WOT.

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Quick isn't all you need at Nürburgring, you need a car that is from the ground up built for road racing.

If the Tesla doesn't catch fire, there might be parts of it that fell off all the way around the track.
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Gregg wrote:
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Quick isn't all you need at Nürburgring, you need a car that is from the ground up built for road racing.

If the Tesla doesn't catch fire, there might be parts of it that fell off all the way around the track.
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There was an episode of Top Gear (the old UK version) where Jeremy Clarkson drove some sporty car (I don't know what model, probably a black one, can you tell I don't know about cars?) around the Nürburgring. He was pleased with his lap time but local racing driver Sabine (can't recall her surname) said flippantly that his time was rubbish and she could do better in a van. Cue episode idea!

So they return with a standard Ford Transit van and Sabine rockets around the track. Seriously fast, not quite fast enough so they pull out seats, trim, dead weight and she has another go, even faster.

The funny mental image is that this was on an open track day, when anybody can pay a fee and take their Ferrari Penisetta or Porsche Sauschwanz onto the track for a few laps.

Imagine a guy (think Karl Koenigs perhaps) feeling he's really The Man as he nestles in the leather seat and revels in the engine's throaty roar as his foot caresses the throttle when – what's that? – he notices a white blob growing in the mirror. As the bucking blob lurches past, he looks up to see a young blonde women calmly hammering along in a delivery van, as if she is taking an urgent shipment of cheeses to local delicatessens. It would take at least a month for his testosterone level to return to normal!

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Sabine Schmitz is a professional race car driver who often "taxis" passengers around the 'Ring at speeds that make them lose their lunch or loose their bowels. She is seriously fast and knows the 'Ring very well. She "only" went 10:08 in a van while Clarkson did a 9:59 in a Jaguar S-type.

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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
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Sabine Schmitz is a professional race car driver who often "taxis" passengers around the 'Ring at speeds that make them lose their lunch or loose their bowels. She is seriously fast and knows the 'Ring very well. She "only" went 10:08 in a van while Clarkson did a 9:59 in a Jaguar S-type.
And that is neat, but it also kind of shows what I meant, a" professional driver on a closed course, do not attempt" in a van still gets out run by a schlep in a Jag. :mrgreen:
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There was a commercial once for the Mustang Cobra being unpacked at Customs in Germany, and the Border Agent asks, very officiously "What is wrong, can you not find a good German car? To which the American guy replies "No, I couldn't find a good American road"
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Minor scandal among the Tesla crowd recently. Youtuber Tech Forum reported rust on his Model 3:
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Bjorn Nyland another EV Youtuber out of Norway had reported rust issues with his Tesla a few months ago:
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Regardless, InsideEV put out an article blaming TechForum for the rust on his relatively new Model 3:

https://insideevs.com/news/372840/rust- ... sla-fault/

It may trigger Tesla Evangelicals but I think it's legitimate to ask whether the issue of rust was considered when designing the cars.

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He didn't want anybody who knew how to build cars to help him build cars.

So he's going to learn some things the hard way.
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Gregg wrote:
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He didn't want anybody who knew how to build cars to help him build cars.

So he's going to learn some things the hard way.
SOME things????? I think more like a lot of things. Considering who we're talking about pattern says there will be more, lots more.
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Tesla police car nearly runs out of power during chase in California

Sept. 26, 2019, 7:36 AM GMT+2 / Updated Sept. 27, 2019, 8:31 AM GMT+2
By Phil Helsel

A San Francisco-area police department says it still has full faith in a pilot program to use a Tesla electric patrol car, even though the vehicle reportedly ran low on power last week during a pursuit.

The East Bay Times newspaper reported that a Fremont police officer in the Tesla Model S, which the department bought in March, became involved in a police pursuit Friday but radioed dispatch to say that the electric vehicle warned that it had only 6 miles of battery life left and that he may not be able to continue in the chase.

Fremont police spokesperson Geneva Bosques told NBC Bay Area that the Tesla was not fully charged at the beginning of the officer’s shift at 2 p.m. and that the pursuit didn’t begin until around 11 p.m.

"This one instance does not in any way change our feeling regarding the performance of the vehicle for patrol purposes," Bosques told the station.

"The officer was monitoring the charge and responsibly notifying everyone of its status during the approximate 10-mile pursuit," Bosques said. The department had other police vehicles behind the Tesla to take over the chase, and the California Highway Patrol was also responding, according to the department.

The chase was called off for safety reasons and the highway patrol later found the suspect's car abandoned in San Jose, according to police and the station.

Fremont police said in a statement Thursday that when the officer started his shift the Tesla had a battery life of around 50 percent — and that fits with recommendations that its officers begin their shift with at least a half-tank of gas.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/te ... a-n1058881
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Not really fair to blame that on the car if that’s your gist.

Edit: after thinking about it some more I think maybe it is?

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Tilt ups can be built fast, especially with prefabbed walls. All it requires is money and manpower.

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I live a few miles from "Dealers Row", the largest auto sales strip in the state. About a year and a half ago, Tesla bought or leased a closed used-car lot on the strip and began remodeling it as a Tesla dealership. It was supposed to open September 2018.

They missed that date. Then, construction stopped. Then, late last winter/early spring, a utilities shutoff notice was posted on the front door, for nonpayment.

Well, that got posted on one of the Tesla forums, and a few weeks later the shutoff notice was gone, power was back on, and remodeling began anew. Projected opening date: September 2019.

Uh, yeah. It's still not open. And once again, no sign of activity.
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totally into the chill out vibe of the Gigafactory video while wondering what labor conditions are like in a Tesla factory operating in Shanghai.
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voxpopuluxe wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:36 pm
totally into the chill out vibe of the Gigafactory video while wondering what labor conditions are like in a Tesla factory operating in Shanghai.
Somewhere between an Amazon Fulfillment Center and a UAW staffed factory ;)

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Umm, I was thinking somewhere between an 1850s Cotton Plantation in Mississippi and a slave crew working on a section of the Great Wall of China.
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A factory in China run by someone raised in South Africa. That's going to go well.

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