E. Jean Carroll v. Trump: NYS Supreme Court: Re Alleged Rape; Defamation

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New York writer who accused Trump of sexual assault sues him for defamation

A writer and longtime women’s advice columnist on Monday sued President Trump, accusing him of defaming her this summer after she claimed he sexually assaulted her two decades ago in an upscale New York City department store.

E. Jean Carroll publicly described the alleged assault for the first time in June, in a published excerpt of a memoir. At that time and in the new lawuit, she said that after running into the then-real estate developer at Bergdorf Goodman in late 1995 or early 1996, they chatted and shopped together before he attacked her in a dressing room. She said he knocked her head against a wall, pulled down her tights and briefly penetrated her before she pushed him off and ran out.

Carroll is seeking unspecified compensatory and punitive damages.

“I am filing this on behalf of every woman who has ever been harassed, assaulted, silenced, or spoken up only to be shamed, fired, ridiculed and belittled,” Carroll said in a statement. “No person in this country should be above the law – including the president.”

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"He raped or abused me."

"No I didn't."

Here's a defamation lawsuit."

Sorry, but I find that tactic troubling.

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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:23 pm
"He raped or abused me."

"No I didn't."

Here's a defamation lawsuit."

Sorry, but I find that tactic troubling.
Me too. If the person accused stays silent it’s “See! He didn’t deny it!”
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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:23 pm
"He raped or abused me."

"No I didn't."

Here's a defamation lawsuit."

Sorry, but I find that tactic troubling.
Surely a credible defamation suit requires more than that, no?
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Does the WaPo article link a copy of the complaint?
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Reality Check wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:11 pm
Does the WaPo article link a copy of the complaint?
No.

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RoadScholar wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:15 pm
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:23 pm
"He raped or abused me."

"No I didn't."

Here's a defamation lawsuit."

Sorry, but I find that tactic troubling.
Surely a credible defamation suit requires more than that, no?
There does appear to be more, as summarized on page 3:
After he lied about attacking her, he surrounded that central lie with a swarm of related lies in an effort to explain why she would invent an accusation of rape. To do so, he smeared her integrity, honesty, and dignity—all in the national press.
The file's too large to upload, but it's easy to find by searching as a guest on the NYS efiling site. https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/Login

If you search by party name "Donald Trump" and sort "newest to oldest," it's the top of the list.

I haven't read beyond the third page and don't have an opinion on whether the complaint is sufficient to allay the concerns raised by Stern (glad he's posting again).

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chancery wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:52 pm
RoadScholar wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:15 pm
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:23 pm
"He raped or abused me."

"No I didn't."

Here's a defamation lawsuit."

Sorry, but I find that tactic troubling.
Surely a credible defamation suit requires more than that, no?
There does appear to be more, as summarized on page 3:
After he lied about attacking her, he surrounded that central lie with a swarm of related lies in an effort to explain why she would invent an accusation of rape. To do so, he smeared her integrity, honesty, and dignity—all in the national press.
The file's too large to upload, but it's easy to find by searching as a guest on the NYS efiling site. https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/Login

If you search by party name "Donald Trump" and sort "newest to oldest," it's the top of the list.

I haven't read beyond the third page and don't have an opinion on whether the complaint is sufficient to allay the concerns raised by Stern (glad he's posting again).
IANAL, but doesn't the issue need to include actual harm caused by the defamation?
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Reality Check wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:11 pm
Does the WaPo article link a copy of the complaint?
It's available at the bottom of this article: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/e-je ... defamation. Defamation allegations start at page 15.
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