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Also, from Julie Brown going through the documents.

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So, the takeaway is 400 pages of Maxwell denying various things alleged by Giuffre or denying knowledge of various things alleged by Giuffre.

I really don't understand what the expectation was here. Is the idea that Maxwell spilled her guts, named names and places, and was just an Old Faithful of incriminating information during her deposition?


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Kendra wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:28 am Also, from Julie Brown going through the documents.

https://twitter.com/jkbjournalist
Her commentary is somewhat entertaining.

First...
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Where "may have been present at Jeffrey's homes or on his plane" apparently means the name of anyone she was asked about and denied was there...



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...and all of which can be determined by the helpful alphabetical index:

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Like, gee, I wonder whose name would come alphabetically after "clients".

What's even funnier is that the person who points this out in a reply to her tweet, and suggests looking at the index, gets scolded for "mansplaining". Lol.

Maxwell's deposition doesn't include any names of people beyond those whom Giuffre has already identified, for the quite obvious reason that the questions are about Giuffre's allegations.

Is the idea that Giuffre hasn't gotten around to naming them all yet? And that all of the other victims are stonewalling, despite having gone on a HBO series to detail what happened to them?
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Is it possible that there are any victims out there who have talked to prosecutors but who have not, at least yet, talked to any journalist?


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A comment from over a year ago:

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I think Epstein was probably a pretty hedonistic person, and may or may not have crossed the line with how he indulged his appetite. But when it comes to Virginia Giuffre's accounts, I'm getting a strong "McMartin Pre-School" vibe. I think a more accurate picture of Jeffrey Epstein emerges when Virginia Guiffre is removed from it.
I'm not hearing anything from this current deposition that changes that opinion (and Res Ipsa's follow-on comment).


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RVInit wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:01 pm Is it possible that there are any victims out there who have talked to prosecutors but who have not, at least yet, talked to any journalist?
Backing up a second, the deposition here in question is from a 2015 civil suit brought by Giuffre. Other than prosecutors or journalists, a third category of persons would be lawyers. Remember, there is a very large pile of money to be had by advancing a claim against the Epstein estate, now made somewhat simpler by the departure of Mr. Epstein, but complicated by the manner in which the estate assets are held.

The presumed international conspiracy of rich and powerful men to whom Epstein and Maxwell trafficked underage girls has been following a "God of the gaps" trajectory. We've been foiled again this time, but surely there is a sealed document somewhere which will be the next cliffhanger. Anything we haven't yet seen is sure to blow this cabal - which surely must exist - all to pieces.


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fierceredpanda wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:53 pm I really hate that David Boies is arguing this case for Virginia Giuffre, now that we know that David Boies is a total piece of shit who, when he wasn't bullying Theranos employees into keeping their mouths shut about the massive fraud, made his living by being Harvey Weinstein's personal hatchet man.
...if one presumes that Boies' representation of Giuffre is wildly inconsistent with those other engagements.

There's a lot of money on the table. Was Boies successful at bullying Theranos employees and wielding Weinstein's hatchet?


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There's a middle ground between this just being either a couple pervs, or it being an international sex-trafficking ring. It's very possible the couple of pervs on occasion just offered to share some of the girls they'd recruited as their own playmates with certain other friends. Decadence, not conspiracy.

In the 70s, girls in this situation were called pass-arounds. A rather notorious Hollywood pass-around was Carly Simon, who, before she became famous herself, dated a few Hollywood celebs. After growing bored with her, a boyfriend would then casually tell a buddy or two that Carly was theirs for the having. And they would take her. And then pass her on to someone else. Hence, "pass-around".

Carly, plagued with anxiety and low self-esteem, allowed herself to be so used. It was a bad scene for her, but as the world knows, she eventually got a huge hit song out of it.


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DejaMoo wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:02 pm It's very possible the couple of pervs on occasion just offered to share some of the girls they'd recruited as their own playmates with certain other friends.
It surely is possible. It is difficult to understand why none of the victims remembers it, with the exception of Giuffre.


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Res Ipsa wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:29 pm
DejaMoo wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:02 pm It's very possible the couple of pervs on occasion just offered to share some of the girls they'd recruited as their own playmates with certain other friends.
It surely is possible. It is difficult to understand why none of the victims remembers it, with the exception of Giuffre.
Because the Michael Jackson case made it obvious to everyone on Earth with a brain how easy it is for celebrities to dispense cash and NDAs to make memories change?


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Res Ipsa wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:51 pm
fierceredpanda wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:53 pm I really hate that David Boies is arguing this case for Virginia Giuffre, now that we know that David Boies is a total piece of shit who, when he wasn't bullying Theranos employees into keeping their mouths shut about the massive fraud, made his living by being Harvey Weinstein's personal hatchet man.
...if one presumes that Boies' representation of Giuffre is wildly inconsistent with those other engagements.

There's a lot of money on the table. Was Boies successful at bullying Theranos employees and wielding Weinstein's hatchet?
I guess that depends on your definition of "successful." Boies got paid handsomely by both clients. But Weinstein is in prison and Theranos is BK (with Holmes and Balwani also facing prison).


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fierceredpanda wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:31 pm
Res Ipsa wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:29 pm
DejaMoo wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:02 pm It's very possible the couple of pervs on occasion just offered to share some of the girls they'd recruited as their own playmates with certain other friends.
It surely is possible. It is difficult to understand why none of the victims remembers it, with the exception of Giuffre.
Because the Michael Jackson case made it obvious to everyone on Earth with a brain how easy it is for celebrities to dispense cash and NDAs to make memories change?
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fierceredpanda wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:31 pm
Res Ipsa wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:29 pm
DejaMoo wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:02 pm It's very possible the couple of pervs on occasion just offered to share some of the girls they'd recruited as their own playmates with certain other friends.
It surely is possible. It is difficult to understand why none of the victims remembers it, with the exception of Giuffre.
Because the Michael Jackson case made it obvious to everyone on Earth with a brain how easy it is for celebrities to dispense cash and NDAs to make memories change?
So, ultimately, it is the victims themselves who are the problem here.

Epstein victims are simultaneously suing his estate to recover damages for having been abused, but at the same time they are stonewalling everyone on having been passed around because they got paid pursuant to contracts which, amazingly, aren't going to be used against them in their own suits which are essentially seeking to double-dip for the same abuse?

If they got paid, why are they suing?

The Michael Jackson case certainly made it obvious that those sorts of arrangements come to light quite readily.

What is it you are suggesting? That Epstein is going to rise from the dead to enforce contracts that were made with him? Or were these complex multi-party contracts made with minors?


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fierceredpanda wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:31 pm
Res Ipsa wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:29 pm
DejaMoo wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:02 pm It's very possible the couple of pervs on occasion just offered to share some of the girls they'd recruited as their own playmates with certain other friends.
It surely is possible. It is difficult to understand why none of the victims remembers it, with the exception of Giuffre.
Because the Michael Jackson case made it obvious to everyone on Earth with a brain how easy it is for celebrities to dispense cash and NDAs to make memories change?
In Michael Jackson's case, there were multiple victims with similar stories. That tends to lend credibility to their stories. In Guiffe's case, her story is significantly different than everyone else's. This wouldn't be the first time a victim has embellished and exxagerated a story to gain noteriety, and an overzealous prosecutor has run with it for similar reasons.

I still say a more accurate picture of Epstein (and Maxwell) emerges with Guiffre removed from it.


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Surprised this hasn't made the rounds of "Well, maybe under the NEXT rock we turn over..."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/ ... 65352.html

Doe 1 and Doe 2 in Jeffrey Epstein case miss deadline for keeping their testimony secret


A deadline has passed without opposition from two parties whose depositions in the bitter lawsuit between disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein’s accused co-conspirator, Ghislaine Maxwell, and an Epstein accuser are set to be made public.

The two non-parties in the now-settled civil dispute between Maxwell and accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre had until Nov. 5 to oppose the way their names would be redacted as well as references that might identify them.

But in a filing late Tuesday in New York by Giuffre’s lawyers to U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska, they said no opposition came in against the release of documents as proposed. A one-week period was to allow Maxwell lawyers to respond had there been opposition, ending Thursday. Giuffre’s attorneys would then have had until Nov. 19 to respond.
Place your bets on the probability of bombshell revelations emerging from this testimony when it is released.


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I hope so!


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AndyinPA wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:40 amI hope so!
This is why casinos exist.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC it has been since around August 2019 when Giuffre's claims to have been farmed out to George Mitchell, Bill Richardson, and Jean-Luc Brunel, in addition to the long-accused Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz were disclosed. I haven't kept track of whether those claims involved activities when she was a minor. I believe she claims to have been 17 when she met Prince Andrew in the UK (the age of consent in the UK is 16).

But just wait until the next sealed document is released...


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Sunday or Saturday morning, the ID channel re-ran the three-part series on Epstein. I never watched it originally. Prince Andrew did not seem to be very forthcoming at all.


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Res Ipsa wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:29 pm
DejaMoo wrote: Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:02 pm It's very possible the couple of pervs on occasion just offered to share some of the girls they'd recruited as their own playmates with certain other friends.
It surely is possible. It is difficult to understand why none of the victims remembers it, with the exception of Giuffre.
Look at groupies and similar fame/money whores, the vast majority of whom - underage or not - do not consider themselves victims, but willing participants.

Then there's the payoffs/NDAs, employed not just by celebrities but by the Catholic Church, too.

Third, there's the unbelievable level of stalking and harassment of the (very few) Michael Jackson victims who had the courage to come forward and participate with law enforcement to get him charged - only to see him win in court. And who have his lunatic fans continue to stalk and threaten them to this very day. The majority of MJ's boy buddies still keep silent/deny it, even in the face of strong evidence compiled by law enforcement of payoffs to the boys and their families. They saw what happened to the ones who spoke out.

I have no idea if there are any more girls with similar experiences to what Guiffre has claimed, but if there are, it wouldn't surprise me if they choose to leave it in their past and not get involved in this shit show.


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Law & Crime: Ghislaine Maxwell ‘Constantly’ Photographed Topless Young Girls, Jeffrey Epstein’s Ex-House Manager Said in Unsealed Deposition

Now identified as the mysterious “Doe 1” in Ghislaine Maxwell’s since-settled civil litigation, Jeffrey Epstein’s former house manager testified in a newly unsealed deposition from four years ago that Maxwell took topless photographs of young girls.

“She was a — she was very avid with photographs,” John Alessi testified in June 2016 ...

Read the deposition below: ...


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