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Post by AndyinPA » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:51 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:49 pm
Sluffy1 wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:27 pm
Reality Check wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:21 pm
I am younger and I don't know I would survive that long in prison. I'd lay better than even odds he will not.
I'll take that bet and raise you better than even he gets pardoned/commuted in under two.
Methinks a pardon during the election campaign would be a major faux pas. I think he will serve at least through November 2020 cuz the pardon could be construed as obstruction of justice. Hell, what do I know? We'll have to ask Hannity, Carlson or Pirro.
You mean twitler will have to ask Hannity, Carlson, or Pirro. :cantlook:

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Post by MsDaisy » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:53 pm

Reality Check wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:42 pm
I would not take your bet. That's why we need to get that corrupt turd out of the White House. :madguy:
Putin likes Manafort, I think he'll make sure Trump get's him out.
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Post by Reality Check » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:54 pm

The asshole (Manafort) just got indicted in New York. Even a pardon cannot save him there.

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Post by Fiona » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:54 pm

Time for a new thread given the news about the NY state indictment.

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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:55 pm

Reality Check wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:54 pm
The asshole (Manafort) just got indicted in New York. Even a pardon cannot save him there.

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Link? THEN we will partay!!!!!!
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Post by Maybenaut » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:58 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:55 pm
Reality Check wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:54 pm
The asshole (Manafort) just got indicted in New York. Even a pardon cannot save him there.

:dance:
Link? THEN we will partay!!!!!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/nyre ... -ios-share
Paul J. Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign chairman, has been charged in New York with mortgage fraud and more than a dozen other state felonies, the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance, Jr., said Wednesday, an effort to ensure he will still face prison time if Mr. Trump pardons him for his federal crimes.

News of the indictment came shortly after Mr. Manafort was sentenced to his second federal prison term in two weeks; he now faces a combined sentence of more than seven years for tax and bank fraud and conspiracy in two related cases brought by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III.

The president has broad power to issue pardons for federal crimes, but has no such authority in state cases.

While Mr. Trump has not said he intends to pardon his former campaign chairman, he has often spoken of his power to pardon and has defended Mr. Manafort on a number of occasions, calling him a “brave man.”
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Post by Suranis » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:05 pm

Nope. Remember in the January when the world ended, Trump said he had basically never heard of Paul Manafort. He said he never was at a meeting with him, he might have been in the room when he walked in a few times...

That's when I knew Manafort was on his own, and if he had been half as smart as he thought he was, Manafort should have spotted it too. Manafort is going to rot.
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Post by Somerset » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:06 pm

Maybenaut wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:58 pm
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:55 pm
Reality Check wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:54 pm
The asshole (Manafort) just got indicted in New York. Even a pardon cannot save him there.

:dance:
Link? THEN we will partay!!!!!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/nyre ... -ios-share
Paul J. Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign chairman, has been charged in New York with mortgage fraud and more than a dozen other state felonies, the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance, Jr., said Wednesday, an effort to ensure he will still face prison time if Mr. Trump pardons him for his federal crimes.

News of the indictment came shortly after Mr. Manafort was sentenced to his second federal prison term in two weeks; he now faces a combined sentence of more than seven years for tax and bank fraud and conspiracy in two related cases brought by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III.

The president has broad power to issue pardons for federal crimes, but has no such authority in state cases.

While Mr. Trump has not said he intends to pardon his former campaign chairman, he has often spoken of his power to pardon and has defended Mr. Manafort on a number of occasions, calling him a “brave man.”
If the defendant wasn't named "Manafort," how often would prison time be expected for these crimes?


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Post by Reality Check » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:13 pm

NY obviously waited for Judges Ellis and Jackson to impose sentences before unsealing the indictment. Smart move. :clap:

Does someone want to start a new thread?
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Post by Sam the Centipede » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:22 pm

jmj wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:06 pm
Hmm, how does that stack up then with the other sentence? Since she explicitly stated that 30 months is concurrent, does that amount to
47 + 60 - 30 + 13 = 90 months?
Why, that means that Paul Manafort's multiple crimes are punished almost as severely as Terry Trussell's 105 month sentence for a bout of sovcit play acting!

They're both white guys, but guess which one has money? The scales of justice don't just weigh the evidence.

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Post by kate520 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:25 pm

Manafort is a snowflake. He will not last his full prison term, he will weep himself dry, shrivel up and blow away. No pardon neither, cuz trump will be up to his fake hair in troubles of his own making.
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Post by Maybenaut » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:39 pm

kate520 wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:25 pm
Manafort is a snowflake. He will not last his full prison term, he will weep himself dry, shrivel up and blow away. No pardon neither, cuz trump will be up to his fake hair in troubles of his own making.
Plus, Manafort's a rat. And Trump doesn't like rats.
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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:16 pm

Maybenaut wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:39 pm
kate520 wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:25 pm
Manafort is a snowflake. He will not last his full prison term, he will weep himself dry, shrivel up and blow away. No pardon neither, cuz trump will be up to his fake hair in troubles of his own making.
Plus, Manafort's a rat. And Trump doesn't like rats.
Thanks for the link, Maybeaut!!!!! :bunny: :happyfamily: :bar:
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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:28 pm

Suranis wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:05 pm
Nope. Remember in the January when the world ended, Trump said he had basically never heard of Paul Manafort. He said he never was at a meeting with him, he might have been in the room when he walked in a few times...

That's when I knew Manafort was on his own, and if he had been half as smart as he thought he was, Manafort should have spotted it too. Manafort is going to rot.
So all of Trump's later comments complimenting and encouraging Manafort are Trump playing bait and switch? It makes sense.

"In the January when the world ended" is well written, Suranis, altho a bit too apocalyptic for me. :thumbs:
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Post by Addie » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:23 pm

The Hill
Mueller focus shifts to Rick Gates ...

Gates, Paul Manafort’s ex-business partner and President Trump’s former deputy campaign chair, has been quietly cooperating with federal prosecutors for over a year on Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference.

He’s also a cooperating witness to other undisclosed federal probes.

A certain air of mystery has long surrounded exactly what Gates is telling his interlocutors, with periodic court filings offering up only nebulous details about his interactions with federal prosecutors.

But a Friday filing deadline in his case could offer new details about the extent of his cooperation. It could also provide new clues about the status of Mueller’s sprawling inquiry — which many believe is close to wrapping up.

If prosecutors and attorneys for Gates say he is ready to be sentenced, it will likely be taken as another sign of closure for the special counsel’s two-year probe.

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Post by pipistrelle » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:23 pm

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Maybe slightly off topic but . . . at the beginning of this, wasn't Manafort a hale and hearty man sporting suits as he strutted into courtrooms? Now he's confined to a wheelchair? Same with Maria NRA; she gamboled all over the country with the NRA and politicians, but now her health is failing/imperiled? Is prison THAT bad for a healthy person? Or am I just that cynical?

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Post by Grumpy Old Guy » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:46 pm

pipistrelle wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:23 pm
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Maybe slightly off topic but . . . at the beginning of this, wasn't Manafort a hale and hearty man sporting suits as he strutted into courtrooms? Now he's confined to a wheelchair? Same with Maria NRA; she gamboled all over the country with the NRA and politicians, but now her health is failing/imperiled? Is prison THAT bad for a healthy person? Or am I just that cynical?
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Terry Trussell played that too.

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Post by Kendra » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:28 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/23/politics ... index.html

Prosecutors suspect Paul Manafort might be trying to secretly claw back about a million dollars he agreed to hand over to the government for his financial crimes — and he could be using the same type of shell company at the core of his legal problems to fake a loan.

A mysterious shell company named Woodlawn LLC — which formed in the middle of special cousel Robert Mueller's investigation into Manafort in August 2017 — claimed in court that it deserves $1 million from Manafort's forfeiture proceeding. The company says Manafort, who was Donald Trump's presidential campaign chairman, still owes that amount to pay back a 2017 mortgage loan.

In a court filing Saturday, the prosecutor said he could not tell if the Nevada-registered corporation's $1 million loan to Manafort was "a real or sham transaction."

The prosecutor says more evidence collection "is necessary because the United States lacks information to be able to discern whether Woodlawn is a person other than the defendant," the court filing said.

Manafort's spokesman declined to comment on the accusation Saturday.

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Post by Addie » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:28 pm

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Ex-Obama Counsel Expects to Be Charged Soon in Mueller-Related Case

WASHINGTON — Lawyers for Gregory B. Craig, a White House counsel in the Obama administration, expect him to be indicted in the coming days on charges related to his work for the Russia-aligned government of Ukraine.

The case against Mr. Craig, 74, stemmed from an investigation initiated by the office of the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III.

An Ivy League-educated lawyer who held prominent positions in the Clinton and Obama administrations, Mr. Craig would become the first person associated with the Democratic Party to be charged in a case linked to the special counsel’s investigation.

Mr. Craig would also become the first person to be charged in a case linked to the special counsel after Mr. Mueller finished his investigation into the 2016 presidential election. In a summary of the inquiry, Attorney General William P. Barr said that the special counsel’s team had concluded that there was no evidence that President Trump or his aides “conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
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WaPo: Gregory Craig, ex-Obama White House counsel, expects to be charged in relation to Ukrainian work with Manafort, his lawyers say ...

In a statement, attorneys William W. Taylor III and William Murphy said they expect Craig, 74, will be indicted by the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington at the request of the Justice Department’s national security division.

That could not be independently corroborated. Bill Miller, a spokesman for U.S. Attorney Jessie K. Liu of the District, said the office had no comment.
Wall Street Journal (paywall): Mr. Craig has refused to accept a plea deal, and the matter could be presented to a grand jury for indictment as soon as Thursday, people familiar with the matter say.

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Post by Addie » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:20 am

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W. Samuel Patten sentenced to probation after steering Ukrainian money to Trump inaugural

An American political consultant whose guilty plea marked the first confirmation that illegal foreign money was used to help fund Donald Trump’s inaugural committee was sentenced to probation Friday by a federal judge who cited his cooperation with U.S. prosecutors.

W. Samuel Patten, 47, in August admitted steering $50,000 from a pro-Russian Ukrainian politician to Trump’s committee in an investigation spun off from special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election. Patten acknowledged he was helped by a Russian national who is a longtime associate of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, and the case was referred to prosecutors with the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington and the Justice Department’s national security division.

Before he was sentenced, Patten, accompanied in court by his wife, sister and friends and neighbors, thanked the judge for her handling of his case and asked for a sentence that would permit him to “continue in whatever way I can to serve my country.”

In sparing Patten from prison, U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson accepted prosecutors’ request for leniency and noted no federal sentencing guideline directly applies to his offense of failing to register as a foreign lobbyist, which is punishable by up to five years in prison. Patten’s defense sought probation citing the substantial assistance he provided in several ongoing, undisclosed investigations.

He was sentenced to three years of probation. 500 hours of community service and fined $5,000.

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Post by Kendra » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:15 pm

https://www.axios.com/paul-manafort-spe ... 1abad.html
The U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia argued in a court filing Monday that the Washington Post's request to release sealed and redacted records related to Paul Manafort's case should be rejected because of the existence of several "ongoing investigations."

"The redactions at issue were undertaken and approved recently — from December 2018, through March 2019. No material changes have occurred in these past months. Although the Special Counsel has concluded his work, he has also referred a number of matters to other offices. The ongoing investigations that required redactions — many of which were already being conducted by other offices — remain ongoing."

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