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The 30 percent plus who think he’s MAGA worry me as much.

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Post by Addie » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:58 pm

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Moderate Democrats warn Pelosi of impeachment obsession

Vulnerable House Democrats fear the party's drive toward impeachment will undercut them in 2020.


A day before the House Judiciary Committee took its biggest step yet toward impeachment last week, moderate Democratic Rep. Anthony Brindisi voiced his frustrations directly to Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The battleground freshman told Pelosi and other leaders at a closed-door meeting that he and other centrists feared that talk of impeaching President Donald Trump was threatening to swamp the Democratic agenda, according to multiple people in the room.

“It’s very frustrating for me — someone coming from a district that was one of the districts that helped get us into the majority — having so much focus on things like impeachment or other issues that are divisive,” Brindisi said in an interview, adding that he’s been talking to fellow swing-district freshmen who have similar concerns with the fall agenda. “We should be focusing on the kitchen table issues.”

In the same meeting, another moderate in the room, Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.), pointed to alarming polling from the Democrats’ campaign arm, which showed that voters think the party is “prioritizing impeachment over other issues,” according to an internal summary obtained by POLITICO.

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In the same meeting, another moderate in the room, Rep. Stephanie Murphy (D-Fla.), pointed to alarming polling from the Democrats’ campaign arm, which showed that voters think the party is “prioritizing impeachment over other issues,” according to an internal summary obtained by POLITICO.
This is totally amazing. The Democrats are usually extremely careful and precise in their messaging.
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Post by p0rtia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:52 pm

pipistrelle wrote:
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They worry me more.
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Trump is seriously, frighteningly unstable – the world is in danger
In retrospect, what’s most disturbing about “Sharpiegate” isn’t Trump’s clumsy effort to doctor a National Weather Service map or even his brazen move to get the same agency to lie on his behalf.

It’s how utterly petty his motive was. We’ve had presidents trying to cover up a sexual liaison with an intern and a botched burglary, but never have we had one who went to such lengths to cover up an inaccurate weather forecast. Alabama being hit by a hurricane? Friends, this is not rational behavior.

Trump also cancelled a meeting with the Taliban at Camp David. The meeting was to have been secret. It was scheduled for the week of the anniversary of 9/11. He cancelled it by tweet.

Does any of this strike you as even remotely rational?
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Post by Addie » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:56 pm

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Newsweek: EX-GOP CONGRESSMAN SAYS LEWANDOWSKI GAVE HOUSE DEMOCRATS 'WHAT THEY NEEDED' FOR ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT AGAINST TRUMP ...

"This is one of those hearings where the transcript, the written transcript will be much more damning than some of the things Lewandowski actually said," he explained. "Lewandowski gave House Judiciary Committee what they needed today for an article of impeachment against the president of the United States for obstruction of justice."

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Post by Addie » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:41 pm

WaPo - George T. Conway III and Neal Katyal
Trump has done plenty to warrant impeachment. But the Ukraine allegations are over the top.

Among the most delicate choices the framers made in drafting the Constitution was how to deal with a president who puts himself above the law. To address that problem, they chose the mechanism of impeachment and removal from office. And they provided that this remedy could be used when a president commits “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

That last phrase — “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” — was a historical term of art, derived from impeachments in the British Parliament. When the framers put it into the Constitution, they didn’t discuss it much, because no doubt they knew what it meant. It meant, as Alexander Hamilton later phrased it, “the abuse or violation of some public trust.”

Simply put, the framers viewed the president as a fiduciary, the government of the United States as a sacred trust and the people of the United States as the beneficiaries of that trust. Through the Constitution, the framers imposed upon the president the duty and obligation to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed” and made him swear an oath that he would fulfill that duty of faithful execution. They believed that a president would break his oath if he engaged in self-dealing — if he used his powers to put his own interests above the nation’s. That would be the paradigmatic case for impeachment.

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Post by Addie » Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:51 pm

NPR - Interview: Pelosi Says Congress Should Pass New Laws So Sitting Presidents Can Be Indicted

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Post by Addie » Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:42 pm

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Elizabeth Warren: Congress ‘Is Complicit’ for Failing to Impeach Trump

Elizabeth Warren has called on Congress to move to impeach President Trump or become “complicit” in his alleged crimes following reports he pressured Ukraine to pursue investigations politically advantageous to his 2020 re-election bid. “After the Mueller report, Congress had a duty to begin impeachment. By failing to act, Congress is complicit in Trump’s latest attempt to solicit foreign interference to aid him in US elections. Do your constitutional duty and impeach the president,” the Democratic presidential candidate tweeted late Friday. She went on to say that Trump “continues to commit crimes” because “he knows his Justice Department won’t act and believes Congress won’t either.” Calls for impeachment multiplied Friday following reports Trump repeatedly asked the Ukrainian president to pursue a corruption investigation involving former vice president Joe Biden’s son, a request that is believed to also be at the center of an explosive whistleblower complaint about Trump.

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Post by kate520 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:10 am

trump may be a moron but I bet he’s learned a thing or two from Vlad.

What sort of kompromat do you think he has on Nadler and Pelosi?
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Post by Addie » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:00 am

The Atlantic: We’re Now in the Hot Zone for Impeachment

New reports about President Trump’s calls with the Ukrainian president could push Nancy Pelosi to recalculate the politics of an attempt to remove him from office.
WaPo - Philip Bump: Trump has been openly trying to leverage Ukraine to his political benefit for months

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Post by Addie » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:22 pm

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Trump confirms he discussed Biden with Ukrainian president

President Trump confirmed to reporters on the White House South Lawn Sunday that he discussed Joe Biden and his son during a phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25.
"The conversation I had was largely congratulatory, with largely corruption — all of the corruption taking place — largely the fact that we don't want our people like Vice President Biden and his son creating to the corruption already in the Ukraine and Ukraine has got a lot of problems. The new president is saying that he's going to be able to rid the country of corruption, and I said that would be a great thing, we had a great conversation."
Why it matters: Trump said on Friday that "it doesn't matter" what he discussed with Zelensky, but appeared to be more forthcoming about the call on Sunday as reports in the New York Times, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal continue to reveal new details. Some have speculated that Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine until Zelensky promised to investigate Biden and his son, but the president was adamant on Sunday that there was "no quid pro quo."

Nonetheless, Democrats have demanded that Trump release the transcript of the phone call to prove he has nothing to hide. Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said that the "existence of an explicit quid pro quo" isn't necessary, and that if Trump "demanded a foreign government do his political bidding, that’s when he crossed the critical threshold."

House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), meanwhile, said that if the allegations that Trump pressured the Ukrainian government to investigate Biden are true, then Democrats may have no other choice than to impeach him.

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Post by Addie » Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:38 pm

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Schiff: Impeachment 'could be the only remedy' if Trump pushed Ukraine for dirt on Biden

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said on Sunday that impeachment "could be the only remedy" if President Trump asked the leader of Ukraine to find dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden, a 2020 Democratic White House hopeful.

Schiff, who has been reluctant to push for impeachment, said on CNN's "State of the Union" it "may be that we do have to move forward with that extraordinary remedy" if Trump sought information on Biden.

"I want the country to understand this is the last resort," Schiff said.

"The president is pushing us down this road."

Schiff said he has demanded a copy of a whistleblower's complaint reportedly centered on the call between Trump and a foreign leader in order to release its contents.

The Wall Street Journal reported the president asked Ukraine's leader to investigate Biden's son's past dealings in the country. No evidence has emerged to suggest Biden acted with his son's interests in mind in regards to his dealings with Ukraine.

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Post by Addie » Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:27 pm

Politico Mag - Renato Mariotti
Trump Didn’t Bribe Ukraine. It’s Actually Worse Than That.

Mislabeling what the president has done could make impeachment more difficult to achieve. ...


Let’s look at the actual law. Even if Trump explicitly offered $250 million in military aid to Ukraine in exchange for an investigation of Biden’s son, that wouldn’t fit the federal bribery statute, which prohibits public officials for taking or soliciting bribes. In this case, Trump would be “bribing” the Ukrainians, who are not “public officials” for purposes of the statute.

The argument would have to be that Trump is soliciting a bribe in exchange for granting foreign aid to the Ukraine, with the investigation of Biden’s son being the thing of value demanded in exchange for granting the aid. While the statute defines “anything of value” very broadly, it is odd to think of a foreign government launching an investigation as “payment” of a bribe. The investigation is itself an official governmental act and the result of the investigation is uncertain. What if the investigation turned up no wrongdoing by either Hunter Biden or his father? Would that still be a thing of value?

Besides, presidents push foreign governments to take official acts all the time. The Constitution contemplates that the president will interact with foreign leaders and use his power to persuade them to do things that help the United States. What is abhorrent about the alleged conduct here is not that Trump is pushing a foreign government to do something, but rather that he might have used his presidential power to get a foreign government to help him win the next election. ...

This is not to say there aren’t crimes on the books that better match what Trump is alleged to have done. For instance, it is a campaign finance crime to knowingly and willfully solicit a campaign contribution from a foreign national. Given that Biden could be Trump’s next political opponent, an argument can be made that the Ukrainian investigation would be an in-kind contribution (a “thing of value,” as defined by the statute) to Trump’s campaign. The bribery of a foreign official like the Ukrainian president can also be a criminal violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

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Post by Addie » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:31 pm

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Mother Jones
Nancy Pelosi Just Sent a Dire Warning About the Whistleblower Complaint to Trump

“The administration is endangering our national security,” Pelosi wrote on Sunday.


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Sunday issued a warning to Republicans: If the Trump administration blocks the disclosure of a whistleblower complaint involving the president’s interactions with his counterpart in Ukraine, then “they will be entering a grave new chapter of lawlessness.”

The letter comes four days before Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire is set to testify before the House Intelligence Committee. Trump has refused to release the whistleblower complaint or the transcript of his call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, ignoring demands from Democratic House and Senate leadership. Pelosi first urged the administration to release the complaint on Friday and followed up with a pointed letter to her Republican colleagues on Sunday.

Pelosi, who has not called for Trump’s impeachment, warned that preventing the whistleblower complaint’s disclosure would amount to a violation of federal statute. “The Administration is endangering our national security and having a chilling effect on any future whistleblower who sees wrongdoing,” she noted.

“If the Administration persists in blocking this whistleblower from disclosing to Congress a serious possible breach of constitutional duties by the President, they will be entering a grave new chapter of lawlessness which will take us into a whole new stage of investigation,” Pelosi concluded.

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Post by Dan1100 » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:55 pm

Addie wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:31 pm
Cross-posting

Mother Jones
Nancy Pelosi Just Sent a Dire Warning About the Whistleblower Complaint to Trump

“The administration is endangering our national security,” Pelosi wrote on Sunday.


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“If the Administration persists in blocking this whistleblower from disclosing to Congress a serious possible breach of constitutional duties by the President, they will be entering a grave new chapter of lawlessness which will take us into a whole new stage of investigation,” Pelosi concluded.
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Post by Addie » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:08 am

Political Wire
Trump Poured Rocket Fuel on the Impeachment Fire

Playbook: “Unlike the Byzantine Russiagate allegations, the latest charge — that the president repeatedly tried to get a foreign leader seeking military aid to investigate a political opponent — is not hard to understand. It’s about the actions of Trump himself, not his aides or former campaign nobodies. At this point, the facts are pretty much in the open and agreed to: The president has practically admitted he discussed Biden with Ukraine’s president, and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani has been open about pressing the Ukrainians to investigate Biden’s son Hunter. Now it’s up to Congress to figure out how to proceed.”

“Speaker Nancy Pelosi understands the caucus’ moods better than anyone, and her letter Sunday — which said the president needs to hand over the whistleblower report now, or else — was a rifle shot that should not be underestimated.”

“Time is of the essence for the Trump White House. If they don’t produce the whistleblower report within days — maybe a week — Democrats are going to be under extreme pressure to move toward impeachment. Thursday will be an important day to watch: That’s when Joseph Maguire, the acting director of national intelligence, is testifying in an open hearing.”

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Post by Foggy » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:18 am

Now it’s up to Congress to figure out how to proceed.
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Foggy wrote:
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Now it’s up to Congress to figure out how to proceed.
Here's how Congress will proceed: :cantlook: :notlistening: :silenced: :talktothehand: :-
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It's time. Give them a deadline. The complaint and Inspector General investigation materials (if that is required by law) turned over to the appropriate Congressional committee by (insert date/time) or we officially initiate impeachment proceedings. Period.
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:like: By Friday.
RVInit wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:05 am
It's time. Give them a deadline. The complaint and Inspector General investigation materials (if that is required by law) turned over to the appropriate Congressional committee by (insert date/time) or we officially initiate impeachment proceedings. Period.

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Post by Addie » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:17 am

Politico - Darren Samuelsohn
Trump's team is trying to stop impeachment before it starts

The president has a technically nonexistent yet omnipresent legal force that has been critical in stymieing Democratic efforts.

Yet here’s what they have: At least 30 White House and Justice Department attorneys who have worked on related issues. Several personal lawyers for the president dealing with the subject. A lurking presence at Capitol Hill impeachment-focused hearings. Aggressive legal briefs and countersuits foiling efforts to gather fuel for potential proceedings. Near-daily media appearances discussing the topic. ...

That the president’s representatives don’t want to call their work what it is — preventing Trump’s potential impeachment — is no surprise. Any recognition that they’ve taken such an official step would be a giant red flag that they think things are more serious than they are. Still, the Trump lawyers’ combined mission effectively is to stop impeachment before it starts. ...

Back in May 2018, POLITICO reported that Trump’s attorneys had calculated that Mueller would not pursue a criminal indictment against a sitting president. That freed them up to launch a public relations blitz meant to undermine the special counsel and cripple any impeachment-fueling evidence he turned up.

That’s where we are now.

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Post by Addie » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:22 am

WaPo - Max Boot
This may be the worst Trump scandal yet ...

We don’t yet know the full details because of White House stonewalling, but from what we already know, this may be the most shocking revelation of wrongdoing by Trump since he fired FBI Director James B. Comey on May 9, 2017, (by his own admission) to squelch the investigation of his Russia ties. In 2016, candidate Trump implored a foreign power to interfere in the U.S. election on his behalf (“Russia, if you’re listening…”). In 2019, Trump appeared to use the full power of his office to extort a foreign leader to intervene in the next U.S. election on his behalf. The latter is far more egregious than the former. It is hard to imagine a more glaring example of a “high crime and misdemeanor.”

If there were any justice in the world, this would mark a turning point where Democrats find the courage to impeach and Republicans find the decency to stop defending the indefensible. Instead, so far we are getting a rerun of previous scandals characterized by Trump’s brazenness, Republicans’ servility and Democrats’ pusillanimity.
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Talking Points Memo: Bill Weld Accuses Trump Of Treason ...

“We don’t have to worry about bribery any more, although I think he’s committed that,” Weld added. “We don’t have to worry about other high crimes and misdemeanors, although I think he’s committed many. He’s such a lawless man. We’ve got treason, and we don’t have to dribble around the court. We can go right for the hoop.”
Business Insider: Trump officials struggle to justify him pressing Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden while his own children do business around the world

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Newsweek
Congressman blasts Trump for using 'public trust' for his own 'political end' with Ukraine call: 'An Impeachable Offense'

Democratic congressman Jim Himes put President Donald Trump on blast for discussing former Vice President Joe Biden during a phone call with Ukraine's leader earlier this year, calling the move an "impeachable offense."

Himes appeared on CNN's New Day program Monday morning to talk about the latest development when host Alisyn Camerota asked if Trump's action was enough to "ramp up" the House Democrats' impeachment inquiry.

"Of course it does," Himes responded. "Extorting a foreign leader for the purposes of getting that leader to do your political work, to try to find dirt on your opponent is extortion. It is using the assets of the United States of America and the public trust for your own, corrupt if you will, end—certainly political end."

"So, of course it's an impeachable offense," the representative added.

Himes, who serves on the House Intelligence Committee, went on to accuse the White House of "violating the law" by not turning over the whistleblower complaint that revealed the president's questionable communications with the foreign leader.
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Slate: Schiff Says Ukraine Call Could Justify Impeachment: “We May Have Crossed the Rubicon”

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