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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:13 pm

Trump declares national emergency to build US-Mexico border wall
Plan may divert billions from projects such as counterdrug efforts, has been condemned by Democrats and activists

David Smith in Washington
Fri 15 Feb 2019 16.10 GMT First published on Fri 15 Feb 2019 15.51 GMT

Donald Trump has defied fierce criticism to announce that he is using emergency powers to bypass Congress and pursue the building of a wall on the US-Mexico border.

Speaking in the White House Rose Garden, the US president insisted he had no choice but to declare a national emergency to deal with what he describes as a crisis of illegal immigration.

“I am going to be signing a national emergency,” Trump said from the Rose Garden, as he claimed illegal immigration marked “an invasion of our country.”

The move, which will potentially divert billions of dollars from other projects such as military construction and counterdrug efforts, has been condemned in advance by Democrats and activist groups, along with some Republicans concerned that it will set a dangerous precedent.



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Guardians ongoing news item at https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... tics-today
Democrats say Trump's national emergency would 'shred' Constitution and vow to block it – live
Trump announces emergency to bypass Congress and free up billions to build long-promised border wall

Fri 15 Feb 2019 17.29 GMT First published on Fri 15 Feb 2019 13.49 GMT

2h ago Trump: 'I am going to declare a national emergency'
2h ago Trump: 'We will then be sued' over national emergency
1h ago Democrats will use use 'every remedy available' to block national emergency
4h ago Trump expected to declare national emergency

....

Plenty of people, including Nancy Pelosi, are pointing out that Trump may have immediately complicated the legal case for his national emergency.

“I didn’t need to do this,” Trump said of the national emergency during the press conference. We can expect to see that admission pop-up in plenty of the legal challenges expected to be brought against the president’s declaration.

Nancy Pelosi@TeamPelosi
He admits it's a #FakeTrumpEmergency. Hear him say it: "I *didn’t need* to do this, but I’d rather do it much faster."

6:02 PM - Feb 15, 2019
Peter Alexander
Trump, responding to my question, concedes there’s no national emergency to justify building his wall: “I didn’t need to do this... I just want to do it faster.”
That answer will complicate his legal case.

5:19 PM - Feb 15, 2019

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Post by Slim Cognito » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:16 pm

And the video, because despite it being trump, sometimes you just have to hear it with your own ears:

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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:19 pm

cross-posting
RTH10260 wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:50 pm
Guardians ongoing news item at https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... tics-today
Peter Alexander
Trump, responding to my question, concedes there’s no national emergency to justify building his wall: “I didn’t need to do this... I just want to do it faster.”
That answer will complicate his legal case.


5:19 PM - Feb 15, 2019
As so often, his tweets will catch up with him in the courts :blackeye: :brickwallsmall:

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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:19 pm

crossposting
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Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:47 pm
Trump declares national emergency to build US-Mexico border wall
Plan may divert billions from projects such as counterdrug efforts, has been condemned by Democrats and activists

David Smith in Washington
Fri 15 Feb 2019 16.10 GMT First published on Fri 15 Feb 2019 15.51 GMT
:snippity:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... atest-news
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TheGuardian wrote:Trump acknowledged the high likelihood of a legal fight, and one that he would almost certainly lose in the lower courts. “I expect to be sued,” he said, but he added that the issue would then go to the supreme court where he predicted he would win.
And until that win comes late this year at best, his plans will be put on ice. Of course one could wish that a SCOTUS ruling would come late, eg in 2020, as the primaries will be warming up for the next elections.

also too
TheGuardian wrote:Many observers suspect that, after weeks of debate, Trump was influenced by conservative commentators on Fox News and elsewhere, who warned that signing the bill alone would be tantamount to surrender and a death knell for his presidency.

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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:24 pm

Slim Cognito wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:16 pm
And the video, because despite it being trump, sometimes you just have to hear it with your own ears:

https:// twitter.com/TeamPelosi/status/1096454807555137537?fbclid=IwAR2p2uRT12MbKRihs9rbQPp0Iq9Ot5NdGTbkazLtYxxpetjpRbwxMLcHL1A
Nancy Pelosi @TeamPelosi
He admits it's a #FakeTrumpEmergency. Hear him say it: "I *didn’t need* to do this, but I’d rather do it much faster."

18:02 - 15 Feb 2019
I guess the courts will enlighten him that he does not set the pace, but is the implementer of what Congress allows him to do.

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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:28 pm

crossposting this one from Addie
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Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:32 pm
Speaker.gov - Press Release
Pelosi, Schumer Joint Statement on the President’s Unlawful Emergency Declaration

February 15, 2019

Washington, D.C. – Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer released this joint statement on President Trump declaring a national emergency:

“The President’s unlawful declaration over a crisis that does not exist does great violence to our Constitution and makes America less safe, stealing from urgently needed defense funds for the security of our military and our nation. This is plainly a power grab by a disappointed President, who has gone outside the bounds of the law to try to get what he failed to achieve in the constitutional legislative process.

“The President’s actions clearly violate the Congress’s exclusive power of the purse, which our Founders enshrined in the Constitution. The Congress will defend our constitutional authorities in the Congress, in the Courts, and in the public, using every remedy available.

“This issue transcends partisan politics and goes to the core of the Founders’ conception for America, which commands Congress to limit an overreaching executive. The President’s emergency declaration, if unchecked, would fundamentally alter the balance of powers, inconsistent with our Founders’ vision.

“We call upon our Republican colleagues to join us to defend the Constitution. Just as both parties honored our oath to protect the American people by passing the conference committee bill, the Congress on a bipartisan basis must honor the Constitution by defending our system of checks and balances.

“The President is not above the law. The Congress cannot let the President shred the Constitution.”

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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:42 pm

As seen by the BBC from overseas
Trump national emergency - A major land grab by the president
Jon Sopel
North America editor

After his failure to win support from Congress for his demand to fund the building of his border wall, Donald Trump was left with a series of unpalatable choices.

Admit total failure on your key campaign pledge. Or go nuclear.

He's gone nuclear.

By declaring a state of emergency he will be able to raid other departmental budgets to cobble together $8bn for construction on the southern border.

He will show his base that he is true to his word.

He will argue he is fighting their fight, to staunch the flow of illegal immigrants and dangerous drugs into the country.

And it is undoubtedly true that a lot of people from Central America are trying to enter the US illegally - even though less than in previous years.


https:// www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47258780

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Post by Addie » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:13 pm

Dementia, innit?


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Post by Volkonski » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:12 pm

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Post by Volkonski » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:13 pm

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Post by MN-Skeptic » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:46 pm

MAGA - Morons Are Governing America

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Post by bob » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:04 pm

Not over the emergency, per se; a FOIA suit, to pick the DOJ's brains.

From that article:
But in a conference call with reporters before Trump's announcement, the acting White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, brushed aside concerns that what the president was doing was unprecedented.

"There's been some concern in the media about whether or not this creates a dangerous precedent," Mulvaney said. "It actually creates zero precedent. This is authority given to the president in the law already. It's not as if he just didn't get what he wanted so he's waving a magic wand and taking a bunch of money.

"I saw Nancy Pelosi said yesterday this sets a precedent for the Democrats to declare a gun emergency the next time they're in the Oval Office. That's completely false," he added. "If Democrats could've figured out a way to do it, they would have done that already."
So it is both routine and never've been done before. :think:
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Post by Addie » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:06 pm

New York Times
Fact Check: Trump’s Rationale for a National Emergency Is Based on False or Misleading Claims

To justify redirecting federal funds to a wall, the president made a litany of assertions about crime, drugs and other issues on the southern border. Nearly all were misleading, exaggerated or false.


As President Trump declared a national emergency on Friday to bypass Congress and build his long-promised wall, he again painted a portrait of a lawless, chaotic border and cited arguments about the effectiveness of the kind of barrier he has in mind that were not rooted in facts.

Illegal border crossings have been declining for decades. While families are overwhelming an immigration system devised to handle single men, a border wall would not prevent them from seeking asylum, which is legal. Research does not show that immigrants commit more crimes than native-born Americans. And a wall would do little to prevent drugs and human trafficking at the border, as official ports of entry are the main route into the United States for both.

Cumulatively, Mr. Trump’s unsupported or misleading statements undercut his rationale for declaring an emergency, a step that is widely viewed as testing both constitutional and political norms and is sure to draw legal challenges.

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Post by Volkonski » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:06 pm

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U.S. @SenAlexander, R-Tenn., says he's opposed to Trump's declaration of emergency to fund the border wall. "If this president can declare a national emergency to build a wall, the next president can declare a national emergency to tear it down."
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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:01 pm

Addie wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:13 pm
Dementia, innit?

https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU3AbY9E5_8
Was this a campaign rally or an official government act? :brickwallsmall:

in the Guardian on this speech:
Here’s Trump earlier, performing what is being referred to as both a “ditty” and a “sing-song”. The sound of the summer?

in https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... tics-today)

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Post by Gregg » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:35 pm

bob wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:04 pm
Not over the emergency, per se; a FOIA suit, to pick the DOJ's brains.

From that article:
But in a conference call with reporters before Trump's announcement, the acting White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, brushed aside concerns that what the president was doing was unprecedented.

"There's been some concern in the media about whether or not this creates a dangerous precedent," Mulvaney said. "It actually creates zero precedent. This is authority given to the president in the law already. It's not as if he just didn't get what he wanted so he's waving a magic wand and taking a bunch of money.

"I saw Nancy Pelosi said yesterday this sets a precedent for the Democrats to declare a gun emergency the next time they're in the Oval Office. That's completely false," he added. "If Democrats could've figured out a way to do it, they would have done that already."
So it is both routine and never've been done before. :think:

Umm, that's pretty much exactly what he's doing. You people have to start sharing your stash because if you believe the shit you say you've obviously got better drugs than most of us.
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Post by Addie » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:49 pm

Esquire - Charlie Pierce
Trump's Rose Garden Fiasco Was a Commercial for the 25th Amendment

If your uncle behaved like this, you'd hide the car keys. ...


There are fine journalists who work at all three of these respected publications. I know many of them and, most of the time, I hold their work in high regard. But I fear they missed the story that was staring them right between the eyes on Friday. To wit:
The President* is A Delusional Maniac With Sawdust Pouring Out Of Both Ears.
My sweet bearded Lord, what a performance. ...

Was it is revelation that Shinzo Abe of Japan had nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize? Was it the way he repeatedly hung Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen out to dry, telling the reporters that the statistics on immigrants and crime produced by DHS didn't match up with the secret "stats" he has? It may have been when he shouted out his favorite wingnut celebrities, and then said that not only did he not know Ann Coulter, but that he hadn't talked to her in a year. Oh, OK. If you wanted to produce a commercial to sell the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, this was it.

But the most singularly terrifying moment came when the president* explained how he likely is going to have to fight his emergency declaration through the courts.
So the -- the order is signed. And I'll sign the final papers as soon as I get into the Oval Office. And we will have a national emergency, and we will then be sued, and they will sue us in the 9th Circuit, even though it shouldn't be there, and we will possibly get a bad ruling, and then we'll get another bad ruling, and then we'll end up in the Supreme Court, and hopefully we'll get a fair shake and we'll win in the Supreme Court.
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Post by pipistrelle » Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:01 am

He also talked about the 2020 election in front of the presidential seal. It may not be wrong but it feels wrong . . . and he made it clear this "declaration" has something to do with the election.

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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:00 am

The Financial Times
Trump’s national emergency is a dangerous precedent
US judiciary must uphold Congress’s right to make the law

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Shortly after declaring a national emergency, Donald Trump boarded Air Force One for Mar-a-Lago. It was a fitting next step to an emergency that was always grounded more in Mr Trump’s imagination than reality. Had it been genuine, Mr Trump would not have flown off for a weekend of golfing. Yet in his rambling announcement, Mr Trump had already undercut his own case. The emergency was not strictly necessary, Mr Trump admitted. It was motivated by the next year’s presidential election in which Democrats would try to defeat him by saying he did not keep his promises. The main one of these was his vow to build a border wall. “I didn’t need to do this, but I would rather do it [build the wall] much faster,” said Mr Trump. There, in a nutshell, was the basis on which the US courts should declare Mr Trump’s move illegal. On his own terms, the emergency is smoke and mirrors.

There are also basic legal grounds to reject Mr Trump’s move. The US constitution makes it clearly that it is Congress, not the president, which controls the purse strings. It is the president’s job to faithfully execute the law. Under the law, which Mr Trump simultaneously signed on Friday, Congress allocated $1.375bn for border security. By vowing to divert up to $21bn from other government departments to build a wall, Mr Trump is explicitly breaching the US separation of powers. Such a move could pass muster where there is a genuine national security threat. Mr Trump will have a tough job explaining how the US-Mexico border situation suddenly qualifies as such. Illegal immigration into the US has fallen sharply in the last decade to just over a fifth of where it was at its peak. Moreover, native-born Americans are far more likely to commit a crime than newcomers, illegal or otherwise. Most illicit drugs come through legal border crossings. And so on.



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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:03 am

Trump's emergency declaration is unconstitutional – ask his lawyers
When Obama wielded executive power, Jay Sekulow and Noel Francisco cried tyranny

Lloyd Green
Sat 16 Feb 2019 12.38 GMT First published on Sat 16 Feb 2019 06.00 GMT

A shutdown averted, a constitutional crisis born. On Friday, Donald Trump declared a national emergency to gain additional funds for his much promised border wall, bypassing Congress and raiding the Pentagon for $3.6bn, already a legally dubious proposition in the eyes of the justice department. So much for Mexico paying.

Once upon a time, Trump and his legal minions brayed against unilateral executive actions, calling them tyrannical. Not any more. Barack Obama is out of the White House. Hail Caesar, hello his praetorian.

Take Jay Sekulow, Trump’s personal lawyer. In April 2016, in a brief to the supreme court attacking Obama’s unilateral expansion of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (Daca) program, Sekulow painted Obama as a despot.

Echoing James Madison, founding father and fourth president, Sekulow thundered that the “accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive and judiciary, in the same hands … may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny”. He also compared Obama and his executive order to Harry Truman’s unconstitutional seizure of America’s steel mills during the Korean war.


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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:06 am

Trump’s emergency: the arbitrary action of an instinctive autocrat
US president’s latest ploy is the product of an immature, egotistic mind, and is based on a lie

Simon Tisdall
Sat 16 Feb 2019 14.22 GMT Last modified on Sat 16 Feb 2019 14.53 GMT

The phrase “national emergency” conjures up images of riots in the streets and burning cities, a disease pandemic killing millions, or an inter-planetary invasion by little green men from Mars.

Donald Trump’s national emergency, over his thwarted plans to build a border wall with Mexico, is prompted by none of these horrors. According to him, the safety and wellbeing of the world’s richest, most powerful country is threatened with utter destruction by penniless Guatemalans.

“It’s an invasion. We have an invasion of drugs and criminals coming into our country,” Trump claimed on Friday. “We’re going to confront the national security crisis on our southern border and we’re going to do it one way or the other.”

With these words, Trump served notice on Central American asylum-seekers fleeing crime and poverty that the Land of the Free is closed – to them at least. The Statue of Liberty is looking the other way.

One has to admire Trump. Any other president, when facing so dire a menace, would be hunkered down in the White House situation room, masterminding the fight for national survival. Not him. No sooner had he made his dramatic declaration than he set off for a golf weekend in Florida.


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