LEAVE Brexit Vote: Leave EU Thu 23 June - Market and US Election Impact

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Post by Mikedunford » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:01 pm

He might have a plan, but he is not only reckless, he's nowhere near as bright as he thinks he is.

Very bright, absolutely. But nowhere near his self-estimation.
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Post by Suranis » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:04 pm

Very true.

Most likely he will flounder and spin in circles now that his big plan to call an election has hit the snag of everyone saying "FUCK NO!"
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Post by Dan1100 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:10 pm

https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/ ... 4992769024

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Boris Johnson's brother just quit the government over BoJo's outrageous behavior. One Westminster observer summed it up as, "I’m resigning to spend less time with my family.”
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Post by Suranis » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:13 pm

Heh. Takei's Ghost Tweeter has a pretty good turn of phrase.
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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:35 pm

:-D

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Post by Volkonski » Fri Sep 06, 2019 10:33 am

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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:22 am

Gina Miller’s bid to stop prorogation heads to Supreme Court
Jonathan Ames, Legal Editor
September 6 2019, 12:00pm, The Times

A battle over Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament will go to the country’s highest court.

Three senior judges this morning rejected a challenge by the businesswoman Gina Miller, who had claimed that the prime minister abused his powers by proroguing parliament for the longest period in 40 years.

The case will now go to the Supreme Court for a hearing that has been set for September 17. It is likely to be joined by similar cases from courts in Northern Ireland and Scotland.

The three senior judges in the High Court in London did not give reasons for dismissing Ms Miller’s challenge.

The panel, led by Lord Burnett of Maldon, the Lord Chief Justice, said that it would produce written reasons in “good time”.



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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:33 am

:blackeye:
No election until Brexit is delayed
Labour will block poll unless PM gets extension

Francis Elliott, Political Editor
September 6 2019, 12:00pm, The Times

Boris Johnson’s prospects of securing an election are fading after Jeremy Corbyn and the SNP agreed to block any poll until the prime minister has secured an extension to the Brexit deadline.

Mr Johnson has insisted that he would rather “be dead in a ditch” than ask the European Union to delay Brexit — even though he will, from today, be legally compelled to do so after a vote by MPs.

Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, this morning reiterated Labour’s opposition to an October election.

When asked if Labour would still vote against an early election on Monday after a bill designed to avoid a no-deal Brexit has royal assent, Ms Thornberry said: “Yes.”




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Post by fierceredpanda » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:08 am

Obviously, the MPs who voted to block a no-deal are doing what's in the best interest of the country. But a large part of me really wishes they hadn't. Sometimes, the child that wants to put his hand on the hot stove just isn't going to stop trying until he actually succeeds in doing it and gets burned. Of course, in this case, a lot of people who didn't want to put their hands on the stove would get burned because of the irresponsibility of some of their countrymen. But it just seems like the mindless Euroskeptic faction in British politics is never going to be put in its place until a completely disastrous crash-out actually takes place and exposes their leaders (Johnson, Farage, Rees-Mogg, Gove, etc.) as the mountebanks that they are.
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Post by ZekeB » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:14 pm

I've lost track of this situation. Apparently they cannot put this up for a revote. Can they ask the EEC if they can rejoin after withdrawing? Can the people vote to rejoin after the UK withdraws? What sort of "deal" are they looking for? Paying the least amount of $$ to make the break? Coming up with a trade agreement in lieu of full association with the EEC? What's the difference between a deal and a no deal exit?
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Post by Turtle » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:32 pm

At what point does the Queen tell them all to go home because she's bringing back the monarchy?

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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:18 pm

ZekeB wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:14 pm
I've lost track of this situation. Apparently they cannot put this up for a revote. Can they ask the EEC if they can rejoin after withdrawing? Can the people vote to rejoin after the UK withdraws? What sort of "deal" are they looking for? Paying the least amount of $$ to make the break? Coming up with a trade agreement in lieu of full association with the EEC? What's the difference between a deal and a no deal exit?
IMHO there is the possibility for the UK to ask to join the EU again. But their request will be entered at the back of the queue after those of several of the small Balcan countries. Once the UKs turn comes back again, there will be about 30 nations having to vote for it. I speculate that they will forrce the UK to adopt to € in favour of their current £ as a condition to join. Expected timeline: five to ten years. Ahhh - and the UK will then have to re-adapt the current EU legislation and everything that gets invented in Brussels over the coming decade.

Personally I expect there will be a economic market association of sorts, and mostly at the ruling of the EU.

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Post by Dan1100 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:18 pm

Turtle wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:32 pm
At what point does the Queen tell them all to go home because she's bringing back the monarchy?
At what point does the Queen say "screw this" and move the family to Toronto?
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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:21 pm

Turtle wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:32 pm
At what point does the Queen tell them all to go home because she's bringing back the monarchy?
Is the Tower of London still available for BoJo and Farage?

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Post by Suranis » Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:39 pm

Well my beloved leader, Lord Varadkar of the vacant look, has begun openly talking about the fact that there will be border checks "near" the border on a No deal brexit. Sooo I would say preperations are well under way for the border to be locked up once the EU calls BJ's bluff.
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Post by HeatherGray » Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:20 pm

Suranis wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:39 pm
Well my beloved leader, Lord Varadkar of the vacant look, has begun openly talking about the fact that there will be border checks "near" the border on a No deal brexit. Sooo I would say preperations are well under way for the border to be locked up once the EU calls BJ's bluff.
Well what else can he do? When you still have people in England who don't accept that the RoI happened nearly a hundred years ago.

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Post by Addie » Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:37 pm

New York Times - Jenni Russell
The ‘Political Anarchist’ Behind Britain’s Chaos

Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson’s Rasputin, is happy to watch the country blow up if he gets what he wants. ...


Mr. Cummings, a spindly, socially diffident, unsmiling figure, spoke next. He was emphatic, evocative. He talked about pride, independence, nationhood, sovereignty, dignity, making our own laws and decisions.

I detested Brexit and all it stood for, but I was captivated. Mr. Cummings was making it sound like the noble path. I came home anxious and uneasy. Remainers were way ahead in the polls, but would they come up with something effective to combat the deep emotions that Mr. Cummings’s campaign was tapping into?

They never did. Mr. Cummings went on to drive Brexit, pushing it to a narrow victory against huge internal opposition, by focusing aggressively on what worked. He outwitted Britain’s establishment by combining a brilliantly simple slogan — “Take back control” — with shameless lies about the European Union, the National Health Service and the danger that Turks could soon emigrate to Britain en masse, all backed up by a huge and hidden microtargeted social media campaign. Every element was designed to have a powerful, visceral appeal.

Mr. Cummings proved that stories and lies, allied to strategic cunning, conviction, secrecy, ruthlessness and upending convention, could be much more appealing than reason and fact. Years of studying and writing obsessively about the art of strategy, the failings of most institutions and the success of revolutionary thinkers like Otto von Bismarck had paid off.

Now this single-minded insurgent is the most powerful individual in the British government, vaulted into Downing Street as Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s chief strategic adviser. His job is to deliver Brexit and win Mr. Johnson five years more in office, making up for the prime minister’s deficiencies as a lazy, inattentive bumbler. Mr. Cummings is deploying all the techniques that have worked for him before: disruption, deception, intimidation and an implacable willingness to alienate people.

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Post by Volkonski » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:31 am

France threatens to veto further Brexit extension

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... 1567948795
The French government has threatened to veto a further Brexit extension due to the “worrying” lack of progress in the recent talks, as EU diplomats expressed their frustration at being caught up in game playing by the British government.

In a sign of rising exasperation, the French foreign minister, Jean-Yves Le Drian, highlighted the lack of realistic proposals being put forward by Downing Street as an alternative to the Irish backstop.

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When asked if an extension beyond 31 October was possible, Le Drian further warned that the EU’s patience was waning. “We are not going to do this [extend the deadline] every three months,” the French minister added. The Benn bill due to receive royal assent this week would extend the UK’s membership until 31 January 2020.

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EU sources have said there is “no evidence” the British government is even working on “concrete proposals” to strike a Brexit deal, and that the latest resignations from the government, recent reports of “sham negotiations” and constant election talk have all contributed to the impression that the government is not serious about finding an agreement.
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Post by Chilidog » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:13 am

They’re not.

they WANT to crash out.

its the Littlefinger Strategy. “Chaos is a ladder."

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Post by Volkonski » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:08 pm

Tories plan to contest John Bercow's seat in breach of convention
Andrea Leadsom says Speaker ‘failed’ by allowing move by MPs to block no-deal Brexit


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... 1567934329
The Conservatives will field a candidate against the Commons Speaker, John Bercow, at the next general election, Andrea Leadsom has said.

The business secretary revealed the move, a breach of longstanding convention, as she stepped up her feud with Bercow, accusing him of breaking the rules of parliament by allowing MPs to take control of Commons business.

In a stinging attack, Leadsom said Bercow had failed in his role and had permitted a “flagrant abuse” of parliamentary process. She said the Conservative party would field a candidate in Bercow’s constituency of Buckingham at the next election as a result.

The Speaker of the Commons is an MP and stands in general elections but is usually unopposed by the major political parties.
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Post by Reality Check » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:16 pm

This is being done by BoJo purely for spite. Bercow is standing down as speaker as soon as Brexit is resolved one way or the other. He has done nothing wrong. I hope the Tory opponent gets stomped like a piss ant.
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Post by fierceredpanda » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:33 pm

Reality Check wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:16 pm
This is being done by BoJo purely for spite. Bercow is standing down as speaker as soon as Brexit is resolved one way or the other. He has done nothing wrong. I hope the Tory opponent gets stomped like a piss ant.
They've also signaled that the Government will not nominate Bercow for a peerage upon his retirement as Speaker, which is a tradition that literally every prior Speaker (even those like Michael Martin, who have had to resign in disgrace) has enjoyed.
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Post by Volkonski » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:49 pm

Vindictive bunch.
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Post by p0rtia » Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:51 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:49 pm
Vindictive bunch.
One of the great sadnesses of the era--there's a lot of that vindictiveness going around.
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