LEAVE Brexit Vote: Leave EU Thu 23 June - Market and US Election Impact

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Post by Suranis » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:16 am

p0rtia wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:54 am
You have something against vaginas?
Nothing, the forum changed the word I actually used, which started with T and ended with wat.
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Re: LEAVE Brexit Vote: Leave EU Thu 23 June - Market and US Election Impact

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Post by p0rtia » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:28 am

Suranis wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:16 am
p0rtia wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:54 am
You have something against vaginas?
Nothing, the forum changed the word I actually used, which started with T and ended with wat.
My question stands.
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Post by Suranis » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:33 am

As John Major used to say; I refer the right honorable Member to the answer I gave some moments ago.
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Re: LEAVE Brexit Vote: Leave EU Thu 23 June - Market and US Election Impact

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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:55 am

Suranis wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:49 pm
Johnson wants a No deal cliff Brexit. That is clear. Why he does, I dont know.
My only conclusion is that it is all he has left as a negotiation tool with the EU. Give me more concessions or we have a no deal Brexit and it will be a big mess for everyone, and I'll blame you for it all. The last part of which will only work within the UK but enough people will believe it.
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Post by Hurtzi » Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:24 am

Telegraph News Politics

We will only start work on alternative arrangements if the current deal is ratified

Michel Barnier The European Commission’s Chief Negotiator

31 August 2019 • 9:30

Very long with comments. The c are often hilarious. The Brexiters are on par with the Trumpsters.
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Telegraph News Politics

We will only start work on alternative arrangements if the current deal is ratified

Michel Barnier The European Commission’s Chief Negotiator

31 August 2019 • 9:30

More than three years ago, the United Kingdom voted to leave the European Union. Shortly afterwards, the then Prime Minister, Theresa May, said that this meant that the UK would leave the EU’s Single Market and Customs Union.

The current Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, has confirmed this position. The consequences of these decisions are clear: they create barriers to trade between the EU and the UK that do not exist today.

After two years of painstaking talks, the EU and the UK reached an agreement on operational solutions for a whole range of areas where the UK’s withdrawal creates uncertainty: first, how do we make sure that UK and EU citizens continue to enjoy their existing rights, with strong enforcement mechanisms and life-long guarantees?

What happens to researchers or organisations in the UK that receive EU funding? What should we do after Brexit with the extradition of criminals that began under EU law? How should we make sure that Cypriots living in the UK Sovereign Base Areas continue to enjoy their rights under EU law?

It is now nine months since the 27 EU governments reached an agreement with the UK on the terms of an orderly withdrawal and on the framework for the future relationship. So far, the House of Commons has failed to approve the agreed package. Some MPs voted against it because they do not want Brexit at all, others because they would prefer a “no-deal” outcome.

Some MPs said “nay” because they want a much closer economic relationship with the EU, others because they want a more distant future relationship and less stringent conditions on fair competition between the EU and the UK, for instance on environmental laws and labour rights.

As the EU’s negotiator, I know very well how divided the UK still is on what future it wants with the EU. That is why the Political Declaration points to a Free Trade Agreement as a baseline and leaves open the possibility of a closer relationship with the EU should the UK’s red lines evolve. In all circumstances, however, the relationship will consist of an appropriate balance of rights and obligations.

In the midst of the ongoing political debate in Westminster right now, I think it is worthwhile to point out that there remain many misrepresentations about the solution we have found to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland. The backstop is all about managing the unique risks that Brexit creates in Northern Ireland, a fact that Prime Minister Boris Johnson recognises in his recent letter to President Donald Tusk.

It is not about changing the constitutional status of Northern Ireland. That is none of the EU’s business, as it is the Good Friday Agreement – an agreement between the British and Irish governments and political parties in Northern Ireland – that settles how Northern Ireland should be governed.

The backstop fully respects the carefully negotiated balance found in that agreement between the competing political views and different identities in Northern Ireland. Its objective is simply to have an insurance policy in place that guarantees that the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland remains fully open, and that the status quo of cross-border exchanges on the island of Ireland is maintained. At the UK’s request, we agreed to have a UK-wide customs dimension to that backstop.
Boris Johnson meeting Donald Tusk at the G7 in August
Boris Johnson meeting Donald Tusk at the G7 in August Credit: REX

On the EU side, we had intense discussions with EU Member States on the need to guarantee the integrity of the EU’s Single Market, while keeping that border fully open. In this sense, the backstop is the maximum amount of flexibility that the EU can offer to a non-Member State.

Why? Because the backstop provides Northern Ireland with the economic benefits of the Single Market for goods, which the EU is exceptionally willing to offer due to the unique circumstances on the island of Ireland. I believe that the people of Northern Ireland recognise and appreciate this offer more than Westminster does for now.

The new UK government has asked us to change what was agreed. The EU had already committed itself to working with the UK, during the standstill transition period, on alternative arrangements that achieve the same objectives of the backstop. We are ready to start this work immediately upon ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement, in parallel to finally creating clarity on our future relationship.

I am not optimistic about avoiding a “no deal” scenario but we should all continue to work with determination. The EU is ready to explore all avenues that the UK government may present and that are compatible with the Withdrawal Agreement. Uncertainty has festered for far too long in the UK, in particular in Northern Ireland, as well as in Ireland and all other EU countries, for that matter.

The Prime Minister has said there will be no more extensions beyond the end of October. Therefore, the UK has now come to a moment of truth and it must decide if it leaves the EU with or without an agreement. If it chooses the latter, it means that there will be no transition period and no so-called “mini-deals”, as the EU will only act to protect its own interests.

In case of “no-deal”, all the UK’s financial and other obligations from its past EU membership will continue to exist, as well as obviously the international obligations it has to protect the Good Friday Agreement, in all its dimensions.

The EU cannot prevent the UK from choosing a “no-deal’ scenario. I would fail to understand the logic of that choice though, as we would still need to solve the same problems after 31 October.

Many people in the UK understand that and I would be surprised if they succumb to the idea that the EU is to blame for a difficult political situation in the UK.



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michael barber 1 Sep 2019 10:37AM

Job done then. No deal it is.
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Ken Jenkins 1 Sep 2019 10:37AM

How many Brexiteers even know the difference between the single market and the customs union?
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William Leave 1 Sep 2019 10:38AM

Ken

Explain the 4freedoms then mate
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Richard Mortimer 1 Sep 2019 10:38AM

@Ken Jenkins Most, remainers on the other hand...
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Franklyn Eveleigh 1 Sep 2019 10:36AM

Well that's that then - 'no deal is the only way we can regain our sovereignty.
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Simon Thomas 1 Sep 2019 10:36AM

Another vile troll remainer fails to get off the mark, below.
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William Leave 1 Sep 2019 10:36AM

BREAKING NEWS

Der Fuherer has summoned Reichs Marshal Veradwa#ker to the Bunker.

He has been given two crack divisions, The Brown Shirts and the Shirt Lifters and ordered to mount a rear guard action to defend the Backpassage (backstop) going down on the last man.
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Howard Holmfirth 1 Sep 2019 10:36AM

@William Leave

Should you not be reading The Sun
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Christian Blundell 1 Sep 2019 10:37AM

More like the Star
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Simon Thomas 1 Sep 2019 10:37AM

@Howard Holmfirth @William Leave Should you not develop a sense of humour? Mr Meldrew.
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Steven Ward 1 Sep 2019 10:36AM

@William Leave Keep to the issues. If you have nothing to say can it.
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Howard Holmfirth 1 Sep 2019 10:35AM

""The backstop is the maximum amount of flexibility that the EU can offer to a non-member state." The EU have been steadfast and consistent on this issue - it is a pity we refuse to listen. Also, the people of NI do not have a problem with either the WA or especially the Backstop. Why are we allowing ourselves to be blackmailed by a handful of Luddite MPs t- the DUP. How a one great nation has fallen!
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William Leave 1 Sep 2019 10:36AM

Howard

It’s only Leo who likes a backstop mate
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Howard Holmfirth 1 Sep 2019 10:37AM

@William Leave

So the majority in NI and all the business leaders do not matter to you. Please do not use words like "mate". It sounds cheap!
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Anthony Daly 1 Sep 2019 10:34AM

Mr. Barnier, you seem very protective about the backstop. Care to tell us why it's so important to the EU? The disruption to peace or protection of the single market aren't the real reasons are they? Those can be solved by close cooperation.


What are you really afraid of that means you want an agreement that traps the UK in the EU indefinitely?
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Steven Ward 1 Sep 2019 10:34AM

Besides the backstop issue tell us why we should support the WA? The Mandelson Pension Clause where the UK must promise never to tax former EU officials based here – such as Peter Mandelson in itself makes it unsignable.


We are talking about keeping a guy who has recently been shown hobnobbing with Paedophile Epstein and teenage girls in the lap of luxury tax free.


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Paul Dendle 1 Sep 2019 10:33AM

There is nothing that the Germans or the French sell us, that cannot be obtained elsewhere and at no cost to our sovereignty.
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arturo blundell 1 Sep 2019 10:33AM

Barnier is an unelected hired hand at the end of the day and quite easy to see that there are dealings going on above his pay level. The only way there will be an agreement is if the lib dems win an election because they make no bones about rejecting article 50 and staying in the EU. Surely something has to crack soon because people do not want to see article 50 extended into infinity whilst we pay 13bn a year and have our fish stocks plundered by all and sundry in the EU.
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Ann Standing 1 Sep 2019 10:36AM

@arturo blundell Not only that but we will not be able to move on trade deals with the RoW, have to accept and abide by every dictate coming out of Brussels with no say. Then of course there is the ECJ element of the draft WA. We need to leave on 31st October 2019. No ifs, buts or maybes. Bring this three year farce to an end.
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M Milford 1 Sep 2019 10:33AM

Each state should remain sovereign as De Gaulle said.


People don't want to live in a C21st USSR.


The EU never negotiated in good faith


The EU is there to make the rich richer and the poor poorer



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Dan Clarke 1 Sep 2019 10:33AM

Surely even Barnier can figure out why May is no longer around
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Henry Smith 1 Sep 2019 10:31AM

“Does yeur Bulldeug bite”
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Ann Standing 1 Sep 2019 10:30AM

So accept the draft WA and Backstop and then work will commence on alternative arrangements? Really? Considering it ties the UK hands and feet whilst blindfolded and gagged with no unilateral way out you can think again Barnier. You make the mistake of thinking those of use who voted to leave are as stupid as those who voted to remain. No deal it is then.
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Nick musty 1 Sep 2019 10:31AM

Ann, I'm just astounded that remainers want to get into bed with these people...
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Ann Standing 1 Sep 2019 10:33AM

@Nick musty Selfish vested interests and fear.
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Simon Thomas 1 Sep 2019 10:34AM

@Nick musty Fleas and scabies springs to mind. Never been particular on hygiene matters the French.
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Lloyd Barnes 1 Sep 2019 10:30AM

Agreed Michel. We should and will leave with no deal
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Patrick Freel 1 Sep 2019 10:29AM

Great! Why don't we just leave tomorrow?

That would catch them all with their pants down...yet again.
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Nick musty 1 Sep 2019 10:30AM

I'm pretty sure Cummings will have something up his sleeve
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Nick musty 1 Sep 2019 10:29AM

Barnier clearly wants a no deal...

Fine by me...
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Arthur Crown 1 Sep 2019 10:29AM

Mr Barnier, they are calling you names because they cannot beat you when it comes to negotiations.

Once the brexit infants trash our nation we will want to come back.
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Nick musty 1 Sep 2019 10:29AM

Troll
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Frabjous Day 1 Sep 2019 10:30AM

Arfur

The EU has not negotiated and it has completely failed to come to any agreement with the UK
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Simon Thomas 1 Sep 2019 10:31AM

@Arthur Crown HA HAAAA!!! Sad loser, you can be first in line and take you toddlers with you.
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Arthur Crown 1 Sep 2019 10:33AM

Sad little Englanders still do not understand that Britain really is no longer that important in the grand scheme of things!

Hence the three year hissy fit!

DIDDUMS!!!!!
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Kitty Bad 1 Sep 2019 10:32AM

Not at a inflated price and not with the Euro as our currency.
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Ricky Goddard 1 Sep 2019 10:29AM

'So far, the House of Commons has failed to approve the agreed package'


It's as if we did something wrong, just because a small handful of politicians 'agreed' a deal in negotiations doesn't mean that it is endorsed by all. That is the point of the parliamentary rejection of the deal. It's not acceptable to the majority. Therefore it's not 'agreed'. Barnier cannot seem to grasp that nothing has been 'agreed'. Its still all open for discussion, therefore the EU needs to either begin negotiating again or if they wish, then suspend the talks and continue with the current course.


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Winston Huth-Wallis 1 Sep 2019 10:28AM

The Theresa May circus wasted over two years ignoring the Referendum result. She accepted conditions which no sovereign country should be subjected to.

Trust has been broken between the Establishment and the electorate.

Any last minute agreements with the EU will be too little too late.

The U.K. is at a cross roads, either a clean cut exit at October end or a mishmash coalition headed by a Marxist.

In the past, the likes of Grieve,Letwin,Hammond et al would have been marched through Traitors Gate.
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J Edwards 1 Sep 2019 10:28AM

You have been rumbled, mon ami. Parliament rejected May's WA three times. Even they (Remainers & All) could see that what May allowed you to impetrate on her was a deal that delivered the UK to you bound hand & foot to the only bit of the negotiations that ever mattered - namely a FTA. You have never negotiated in good faith as the treaties imply you should have. You are only now listening to the real UK position. It is a position you always understood & feared: which is why you put your fingers in your ears with only one intention. Keep talking in the hope that the dreadful Brits would become fed up & change their minds Don't think that your pretend deafness has gone un-noticed. You only wanted to hear what the minority Remainers would say. Now that their filibuster is over it's time to get down to doing the job you were hired to do & have so far avoided doing. If a Gallic shrug is all you are prepared to offer, resign. Mrs Merkel will soon be looking for a job & might fancy yours: so that she can pay Macron back for all the grandiose ear-bashing he has doled out to her in pretending that the failed EU project can ever be revived except on the lines that his hero, De Gaulle, wanted where each state remains sovereign.
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Henry Smith 1 Sep 2019 10:28AM

I love the British people - a hardy pugnacious lovely bunch.

I don’t think there is another Nation on earth where the people could have been bombarded with the mountain of State sponsored propaganda and disinformation Cameron and Osbourne shovelled up, where the establishment to man - economists - the BBC - BOE - HOL - told us we had to stay in the EU or face dire consequences, where the entire Davoscracy got in on the act - Obama - Hilary Clinton - Merkel - George Clooney.

And in spite of this tsunami of EU pressure the wonderful British people saw through the lot of it and voted LEAVE anyway

The EU managed to browbeat the Danes, Dutch and Irish into holding second votes and “voting right”

But not the British bulldog
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David Cuthbertson 1 Sep 2019 10:28AM

As the "current deal" has been rejected three times in Parliament by both remain and leave MP's perhaps Barnier needs to have a re-think there. All his belligerent stand does is reinforce one of the many reasons for leaving his title club.
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Paolo Caldato 1 Sep 2019 10:28AM

Ratified? It's not even been signed by anyone yet, Barnier.
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Ricardo Montalban 1 Sep 2019 10:35AM

Paulo Caldato - Quite. Parliament refused to accept it.
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ava tar 1 Sep 2019 10:28AM

At least Michel is being straightforward unlike our last PM.

But saying ‘the WA doesn't alter the constitutional arrangements of NI’ ignores the fact that it does change the economical arrangements of NI especially in relation to their largest market which is Britain!
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Frabjous Day 1 Sep 2019 10:36AM

Barnier lies and lies.
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Ricardo Montalban 1 Sep 2019 10:28AM

Not going to happen Michael.

Enjoy breaking the Good Friday agreement as the UK won't.
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Ken Jenkins 1 Sep 2019 10:29AM

@Ricardo Montalban

The EU didn't sign the GFA - we did.
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Ricardo Montalban 1 Sep 2019 10:33AM

@Ken Jenkins - Your response is equivalent to asking how many Angel's can dance on the head of a needle. Eire signed the GFA so if the EU enforces hard border then Eire breaks the GFA. Capish?
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Ciaran Ireland 1 Sep 2019 10:36AM

Brexit represents a unilateral breach of the GFA by the UK.
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Frabjous Day 1 Sep 2019 10:36AM

No it doesn’t

The GFA doesn’t mention what happens if one of the parties leaves a trade bloc, nor does it mention the border for that matter.
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Ronaldo Detaxpayer 1 Sep 2019 10:27AM

Mr Barnier, you and Hammond knocking May around for 3 years may have been a easy game to play. Unfortunately because you did not know when to compromise you missed the opportunity to close out the deal. Your ass-covering letter is otherwise noted for the record.
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Jemootle McGuffin 1 Sep 2019 10:27AM

"The EU cannot prevent the UK from choosing a “no-deal’ scenario. I would fail to understand the logic of that choice though, as we would still need to solve the same problems after 31 October."

No M Barnier, you would not. You would have a considerable number of extra problems to deal with. Nothing you claim here changes the fact that the Withdrawal Agreement is hopelessly one-sided and was only possible to draft at all due to the supine approach to negotiation adopted by an incompetent UK government.


The reality is that the European Union mostly derives its power from synthetic intransigence. This works very well with member nations having ideologically pro-EU governments, but does not work at all well with other kinds of nation.


The UK is now a nation possessing an EU-sceptical government and an electorate that, while still febrile and divided on the issue of the pragmatic value of EU membership or a deal with the EU, mostly rejects the theology of European integration.


It is time you realised that times have changed.
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Michael O'Leary 1 Sep 2019 10:27AM

I am sure the Americans are watching - First item on the USA / EU Trade Talks will be Michel Barnier and Sabine Weyand are not allowed to be members of the European Union team. Look at their CVs - we are talking professionals, not Eton schoolboys !
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Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver 1 Sep 2019 10:28AM

Why?
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Richard Mortimer 1 Sep 2019 10:30AM

@Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver ...because the USA would not want to do business with crooks
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Barry Neville 1 Sep 2019 10:26AM

As usual Barnier is lucid and honest and boy doesn't it hurt.
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Julian Hamm 1 Sep 2019 10:28AM

Barry

Barnier is full of puffed up arrogance.

We didn't vote for him. He is a nobody. He has no legitimacy.
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Simon Thomas 1 Sep 2019 10:25AM

Did you like our lying P.M.s shoes Mr. Barnier? Preferable to Boris's boots. Toodle pip old chap. Back to slobbering over der stiefel I shouldn't wonder. The E.U. is toast when we go, your victims are merely waiting for this great country to lead by example, as we always have done..
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colin james 1 Sep 2019 10:25AM

Michael will be out of work soon. !!
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Elise Hurley 1 Sep 2019 10:25AM

@Pierre Sauvon @Elise Hurley Among the 6 are also Germany and Belgium - the countries of Merkel and Verhofstadt - cherry pickers the lot of them. In no position to lecture to the UK who has been far more fastidious about implementing what Brussels orders - thankfully and joyfully, after 11.00pm on 31st October, no more.
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William Leave 1 Sep 2019 10:25AM

Barnier

We will have our cherry cake with extra English cherries.

We will leave completely

Your ponzi is doomed
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Henry Smith 1 Sep 2019 10:25AM

The question I ask Remainers is this

What kind of democracy would satisfy them?

In 2016 we had a peaceful vote on a crystal clear IN/OUT question - no mention anywhere of deals

The Government mailed a detailed and extensive leaflet to every household clearly setting out the issues - everyone had a chance to have their say

There was a historic turnout and a majority bigger than the entire population of four EU countries voted to Leave the EU

I see this as one of the epic democratic events in history

But if it isn’t enough what kind of democracy would suit Remainers?

Or is it something else they yearn for ?

Something more authoritarian where leaders aren’t elected

Something more like the EU
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William Leave 1 Sep 2019 10:26AM

Henry

Excellent post
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Clare Roullier 1 Sep 2019 10:32AM

@Henry Smith

Well said.
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Natalie Drest 1 Sep 2019 10:34AM

@Henry Smith Excellent Henry, these things sometimes need to be written down. It is only when you put them all together like this that you see the farcical nature of the remain argument.


Another issue which needs a similar airing is the really weird juxtaposition of the remainer argument to that other great bugbear... climate change.


On the one hand, remainers are getting really excited because (according to them) everyone is just about to lose their job and starve due to the total halt of agricultural and industrial production that will result from our departure.


Whilst on the other they are demonstrating and drawing the cities to a halt, because agricultural and industrial production is causing the world to burn, and in order for the planet to survive we need to put everyone out of work and permanently halt worldwide production.


A conundrum indeed, enough to make remainers look as stupid as they actually are.



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George Dragon 1 Sep 2019 10:25AM

A G.E can't come soon enough,It's going to be a cull of the remainiacs Mps.

Bojo should sack them instantly if they vote against him as they are unelectable anyway, if a G.E is called and he needs to change the local MPs as no one will vote for the Conservatives and it will be a Brexit party victory.
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Albert Tatlock 1 Sep 2019 10:25AM

Or if they abstain.
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George Dragon 1 Sep 2019 10:26AM

Either get them out.
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Arthur Crown 1 Sep 2019 10:24AM

Poor old Brexlings, for weeks the DT has been running fictional stories about how the EU was going to cave in to a bunch ERG idiots and Trumpanzees, as if!😁

So here we are, massive hurt pride because sadly we have been behaving like a badly spoilt child, the only option left was to bring an adult authority figure out to smack some sense into the brexit kiddies!
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Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver 1 Sep 2019 10:24AM

Typical Audi owner.

Nothing better to do whist you wait for the recovery truck than vent your spleen an more sensible folk.
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Arthur Crown 1 Sep 2019 10:25AM

Still got your ox peasant?

🐃
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Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver 1 Sep 2019 10:26AM

Ruf 911 and a Subaru Forrester.
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Arthur Crown 1 Sep 2019 10:26AM

Dinky or Corgi?

😉
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Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver 1 Sep 2019 10:27AM

What a silly thing to say.
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Arthur Crown 1 Sep 2019 10:29AM

Well you were boasting on the internet!😊
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William Leave 1 Sep 2019 10:30AM

Arfa

A democratic majority of 1240000 voted to leave the europonzi

Therefore we must simply leave

We did not vote for a deal we voted to leave, completely.

Our euro fanatical politicians attempted to trap the U.K. in the europonzi but in the main thanks to vile scum like this Barnier creature these traitors in Parliament have failed

There mate, the high priests of the euro cult had an open goal but missed.

Losers
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Arthur Crown 1 Sep 2019 10:31AM

Rabid lies.

Woof!
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William Leave 1 Sep 2019 10:33AM

Arfa

No mate

Your newspeak double think brain chip obviously doesn’t allow you to see the truth

The fanatical cu#ts like Barnier simply couldn’t see the obvious

Neither can you

They had an opportunity to win but have failed

How dumb is that
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Bryan Davies 1 Sep 2019 10:24AM

So Christine is now in charge of the ECB - without the UK to prop the EU up I feel a bail-in coming on.
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Rachel Short 1 Sep 2019 10:24AM

What part of 'no' doesn't Barnier understand?
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John Mac 1 Sep 2019 10:24AM

So a salesman asks you to sign a dodgy contract. You've read the terms, they're horrendous and you say no, not unless the terms are altered.

The dodgy salesman says, don't worry, sign this one now, we'll amend it later!

Nice try
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Zut Alors 1 Sep 2019 10:23AM

Monsieur Barnier - look up the term Parliamentary Ratification in your British Constitution for Dummies book. It never happened therefore there was no agreement.
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Keith Tunstall 1 Sep 2019 10:22AM

Some very silly Brexiteer Comments below. Bluster won't help the UK cause. We are but one sovereign state amongst 27.
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Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver 1 Sep 2019 10:23AM

I suggest you study some history.
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William Leave 1 Sep 2019 10:23AM

Keith

Best you clear off to your europonzi and stay there then mate
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Albert Tatlock 1 Sep 2019 10:23AM

Does Greece agree?
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Ken Jenkins 1 Sep 2019 10:31AM

@Albert Tatlock

Without the EU, Greece would be bankrupt.

EU money is keeping the country going until they clean up their tax evasion problems.
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William Leave 1 Sep 2019 10:22AM

Thanks Barnier you loathsome cu#t

We will leave completely on wto terms and watch your europonzi implode from a safe distance.

I truly hope that when the fires have stopped burning in euroland the Europeans wake up from their stupor and look for culprits.

Nothing will be better that seeing you and your ghastly kind in the dock in Nuremberg II.

Better still will be the sentences.

Target2 anyone??
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Michael O'Leary 1 Sep 2019 10:29AM

@William Leave An English Gentleman speaks ! Cicero - when you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff ! Valid 20 centuries ago and valid today !
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sausage dog 1 Sep 2019 10:22AM

Get lost Barmier
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Dun Negotiating 1 Sep 2019 10:21AM

After a No Deal Brexit, Barnier's legacy will be that he kicked off the final implosion of the EU. Fantastic.
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Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver 1 Sep 2019 10:21AM

They may even build a statue to him.
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Elise Hurley 1 Sep 2019 10:21AM

Barnier just can't let go of that howitzer gun backstop pointed at our heads. A bureaucrat with not a shred of innovative forward looking thought in his head. And as an individual, way too much unelected power in his hands. His country, France, as one of the 6 most beligerent non-implenters of his beloved EU rules, can be most readily identified as chief cherry picker of all.
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Pierre Sauvon 1 Sep 2019 10:23AM

@Elise Hurley

So true.



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Sebastian Rose 1 Sep 2019 10:24AM

@Elise Hurley Actually his power is fully elected, he takes orders from the elected leaders of 27 democratic states. He is just the front of shop man. Brexiteers are so ignorant of the reality of what they are facing.
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Pierre Sauvon 1 Sep 2019 10:26AM

@Sebastian Rose @Elise Hurley


Elected? Like Von der Leyen was "elected?"
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Sebastian Rose 1 Sep 2019 10:27AM

@Pierre Sauvon @Sebastian Rose @Elise Hurley Merkel, elected. Macron, elected, Rutte elected, etc. etc.
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John Mac 1 Sep 2019 10:29AM

@Sebastian Rose @Pierre Sauvon @Elise Hurley

They're not EU Commissioners
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Ken Jenkins 1 Sep 2019 10:32AM

@Pierre Sauvon @Sebastian Rose @Elise Hurley

Was Boris elected PM?

I must have missed the election.
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Sebastian Rose 1 Sep 2019 10:36AM

@John Mac @Sebastian Rose @Pierre Sauvon @Elise Hurley No they are the Council, where the real power resides. Fully elected, by the way we now have an unelected PM being operated by an entirely unelected, unaccountable "adviser" leading a Government with a majority of one who has suspended the people,s representatives by closing Parliament.

And the EU is undemocratic !
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Elise Hurley 1 Sep 2019 10:30AM

@Sebastian Rose @Elise Hurley Barnier is unelected - taking orders from 27 leaders is not elected in any shape or form by the electorate of the EU member states. Your assertion is truly weird.
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Michael O'Leary 1 Sep 2019 10:33AM

@Elise Hurley @Sebastian Rose I don't remember an election for David Frost or Dominic Cummings - somebody will no doubt advise us all of when that happened.
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Michael O'Leary 1 Sep 2019 10:31AM

@Elise Hurley The European Union team should stop scoring goals and give England a chance to play with the ball. It's not fair !
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Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver 1 Sep 2019 10:21AM

You were wrong to join in the first place.
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Richard Mortimer 1 Sep 2019 10:22AM

@Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver Agreed, Heath will go down in history as one of the worst Prime Ministers that the UK has ever had
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Frabjous Day 1 Sep 2019 10:23AM

Along with May
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Christian Blundell 1 Sep 2019 10:23AM

Ah, well it used to be the Common Market. If we’d known how it would turn out, then I agree with you (although many of us could see it coming).
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Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver 1 Sep 2019 10:24AM

We stayed out in Switzerland.
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Christian Blundell 1 Sep 2019 10:25AM

Very wise. Then again, the Swiss stay out of everything and just live their lives. Again, very wise.
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Kitty Bad 1 Sep 2019 10:29AM

We were. In those days they called it a " trading block" (for the dummies who believed them).
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Old Wirralian 1 Sep 2019 10:30AM

@Kitty-I am that dummy.....
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John Mac 1 Sep 2019 10:31AM

@Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver

You're dead right, we never should have joined
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David James 1 Sep 2019 10:20AM

Barnier has acted in bad faith. He mugged poor old May.

He saw she was a naive, incompetent, isolated old lady who was desperate to avoid any disorder,

He knew she never had a mandate for her treaty.

So he mugged and humiliated her. Just nasty. Who would want to do business with the EU?
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Pierre Sauvon 1 Sep 2019 10:26AM

@David James


May knew EXACTLY what she was doing.


Hopefully a Royal Commission will expose a great deal.
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John Mac 1 Sep 2019 10:34AM

@David James

"poor old May"

May is an EU agent, along with Hammond etc.
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Kenneth Clarke 1 Sep 2019 10:20AM

Well mr barnier, the deal as you and may called it will not get ratified as its not a deal. Anyone would be mad to sign up to anything that gives that level Of control.

If you do not understand that then you are not the brilliant mind or amazing negotiator that we were les to believe. Your approach has failed, it tried to exploit a weak prime minister and you failed to recognise that the deal was not hers to agree.

So poodle off back to brussels. Decide if you want a deal. The irish terror issue is our issue to resolve with the irish not yours to interfere with other wise there will be no agreement, there will be a hard border and people will likely die because if your intransigence. The gfa should be out of your scope as you do not understand it.

Basically politely go back to brussels
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Keith Tunstall 1 Sep 2019 10:27AM

@Kenneth Clarke The Telegraph should't allow this goon to use his moniker.
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Michael O'Leary 1 Sep 2019 10:36AM

@Kenneth Clarke Perhaps you should read Professor Colin Harvey - Professor of Law at Queen's University of Belfast on the matter of the Good Friday Agreement and the Irish / European Border.
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Johnny for Greeks 1 Sep 2019 10:19AM

"Many people in the UK understand that and I would be surprised if they succumb to the idea that the EU is to blame for a difficult political situation in the UK."


The difficult situation is called democracy but Mr. Barnier would not know what that is!

Northern Ireland has been used as a pawn to scuttle Brexit and Barnier is on video record admitting as much. And to hell with sensitivities of all Irish people.
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Pierre Sauvon 1 Sep 2019 10:19AM

Charles De Gaulle would not have written what Michel has written.


Charles knew the Brits. After all, he lived with us for around 6 years while Germany was ruling over his people with an iron fist.


He knew we were not "European" because we had 1000 years of a very different history and system of laws and customs.


De Gaulle would have endorsed what Winston said:


We have our own dream and our own task.
We are with Europe, but not of it.
We are linked but not combined.
We are interested and associated but not absorbed.




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Steven Ward 1 Sep 2019 10:17AM

We don't have any financial obligations to a club that hasn't properly audited its accounts in 22 years.
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Pierre Sauvon 1 Sep 2019 10:21AM

@Steven Ward


And the IFRS rules apply-- no compensation without an account of BOTH assets AND liabilities.
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Anthony Daly 1 Sep 2019 10:17AM

Mr. Barnier, the choice for the EU is the integrity of the single market vs peace in Ireland.


It's up to you.
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Pierre Sauvon 1 Sep 2019 10:24AM

@Anthony Daly


The peace is up to every Irishman to decide. The threat of violence can never be the basis of a peace.



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Anthony Daly 1 Sep 2019 10:28AM

@Pierre Sauvon @Anthony Daly


I know that, just using the EU's own argument.


The real reason for the backstop is too damaging for the EU to expose publicly, so they come up with the peace nonsense.
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Ciaran Ireland 1 Sep 2019 10:33AM

The backstop is designed to satisfy both objectives.
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Robert Mclean 1 Sep 2019 10:16AM

You can shove your WA where the sun don't shine Barnier.


Goodbye-ee! Goodbye-ee!
Wipe the tear, baby dear, from your eye-ee.
Though it's hard to part I know, (I know)
I'll be tickled to death to go!
Don't cry-ee, don't sigh-ee,
There's a silver lining in the sky-ee!
Bonsoir old thing, cheerio, chin-chin,
Nah-poo, toodle-oo, goodbye-ee!


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Pete Peterson 1 Sep 2019 10:16AM

"We will only start work on alternative arrangements if the current deal is ratified"

We will leave on October 31st and take our money with us.
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Robert Davies 1 Sep 2019 10:16AM

The British Bulldog has finally woken up Monsieur Barnier. The WA&PD was produced for a subjugated, beaten, cowering Nation, signed by, without doubt, the most spineless, treacherous, lying Prime Minister, ever to curse our history. We have removed her and your luck has run out.
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David Brocksom 1 Sep 2019 10:16AM

No surprise as to timing. I wonder if Hammond asked him to publish this now?

Barnier clearly does not believe a No-Deal exit is likely. Otherwise he would scrap the backstop in its current form, as to insist on avoiding a hard border in the future, at the expense of a hard border now, is illogical. Barnier will only negotiate if he is convinced that the UK is serious about leaving without a deal. Ergo Hammond at al are undermining the Uk's chance of getting a negotiated exit.
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Gandalf the White 1 Sep 2019 10:16AM

This the sole cause of the intransigence along with Germany and France calling the shots.

Unless there is a change in these Brinkmanship tactics, No Deal has to be delivered. Otherwise it is meaningless.

3- 6mths aftert no deal things will either start to move as the financial economic impacts hit hard in the EU losing€328 Billions in UK exports.

Alternatively the UK is blackmailed by dictatorial EU Commission to obey the EUs deal rejected by the HoC 3x that is the EUs tactic, water boarding the UK.
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Paul Bradshaw 1 Sep 2019 10:17AM

How can the EU “blackmail” the UK given that people here constantly assure me that no-deal will be brilliant for Britain?
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Julian Hamm 1 Sep 2019 10:24AM

Paul

We want to leave the EU because people like Barnier have power over us that cannot be removed by voters.

A close economic relationship does not not require supranational control of domestic laws.

The EU wants to punish the UK. In a hostile relationship complete separation is better than trying to mend what's there.

EU policy is not optimal for the UK.
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Gandalf the White 1 Sep 2019 10:35AM

You did not read the post.. the EU negotiating tactics is entrapment with a rolling extension, 31st highly likely to be extended, while the b.s. back stop is political black mail of No solution acceptable to the EU, Parliament ( of course any solution would be available if similar issue existed were the UK joining the EU).

Brexit will be very successful that is the sole terrifying fear of the EU that the entrapment tactics of the EU can be foiled. Along with losing €328 Billions in exports, 8 billions in budget payments, plus lost 39 billions. Have you not been watching! A state leave And be successful makes the protectionist union unattractive, shake its foundations to the core.

The EU should welcome UK leaving if it is that good why would any state want to leave, the EU can watch the UK crumble by leaving demonstrating how wonderful the EU is! But it does not because the opposite is true.....
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George Dragon 1 Sep 2019 10:16AM

When we voted to leave the EU the £9 million leaflet properganda excercise of Cameron stated categorically that it was out of all of it.

No Where did it mention any deals with the EU.

It stated out of Single Market/ECJ/Free movement etc etc.

No Where on the ballet paper did it say.

X here for leave EU with a deal.

It said in or out.

We voted out and out of all of it.

There should be no free trade deals with the EU as that has a substantial benefit for them and not us.

The Liebore and Conservative governments have been lieing and failing us for years.

The EU is nothing more than a huge Ponzi scheme.
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Gandalf the White 1 Sep 2019 10:16AM

And the euro
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Frabjous Day 1 Sep 2019 10:19AM

Well said
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Ian Stabb 1 Sep 2019 10:15AM

He must consider the entire population is as gormless as our civil service & quite few of our snake like MP's!


That document has to be greatest insult levelled at our nation!
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Pierre Sauvon 1 Sep 2019 10:15AM

Boris is said to be planning a snap GE if the remainers block Brexit his week.


Will Corbyn want to go to the polls with his party behind the Libdems?


Will Heartlands Labour vote against leaving the EU?


Will the Tory collaborators want to lose their seats?



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Alan Gardner 1 Sep 2019 10:19AM

@Pierre Sauvon Labour managed 5% of the vote at the recent Welsh by-election.
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George Dragon 1 Sep 2019 10:22AM

Bercow Hammond Guake Lee Sourbaby Chucky Allan Wolaston etc etc all will be out at G.E it can't come soon enough.
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Ronaldo Detaxpayer 1 Sep 2019 10:15AM

"Its objective is simply to have an insurance policy in place that guarantees that the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland remains fully open....." Sure it is "simply" that. Barnier knows what the full by-product of the position is and it is "simply" insulting to write to us suggesting there is no other intention. Anyway, the good news is he is contradicting his real bosses and clearly stating we must first sign the surrender agreement as a prerequisite to working on alternative arrangements. Perfect. Makes a non-sense of Merkel's statement on both sides cooperating in a 30 day window.
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Gandalf the White 1 Sep 2019 10:18AM

It is a made up ssue for leverage and spoiling Leave
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Alan Gardner 1 Sep 2019 10:20AM

@Ronaldo Detaxpayer He didn't mention the other 550 odd pages of the WA.
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Linda Gittins 1 Sep 2019 10:14AM

Yeah, bye!
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Leopold Abernathy 1 Sep 2019 10:14AM

Reopening the WA, means all bets are off. Any interested parties can have amendments brought to it. There is no time to renegotiate the deal. It will take more than 2 years second time.

The only options left: WA+political declaration containing a replacement solution to backstop or crashing out, which might lead to Brexit being cancelled.

Any true leaver would embrace the first option.
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Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver 1 Sep 2019 10:15AM

Isn't that a logical fallacy?
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Leopold Abernathy 1 Sep 2019 10:17AM

Not at all. The WA will be replaced by a FTA that might render the need for backstop unnecessary. Or alternative solutions could replace the WA.
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Charles Frances Montmorency Gaillard Oliver 1 Sep 2019 10:22AM

I make specific reference to the 'No true Scotsman' argument.
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Leopold Abernathy 1 Sep 2019 10:29AM

@Charles

I believe not. There is enough evidence that the Parliament can prevent a no deal brexit. Leaving the only two other options available: WA or cancel Brexit.

If WA is rejected there is but one only option left. Sure, a new referendum might be called for cancelling, but the referendum might pass.
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Alan Gardner 1 Sep 2019 10:22AM

@Leopold Abernathy "Crashing out" (aka leaving) might lead to Brexit being cancelled??

If we are out, Brexit has happened.
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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:01 pm

You will not be forgiven for blocking Brexit, Boris Johnson warns MPs
Steven Swinford | Eleni Courea
August 30 2019, 1:05pm, The Times

Boris Johnson has warned Tory Remainers and opposition MPs that a generation of politicians will not be forgiven if they stop Britain from leaving the EU.

The prime minister also warned of “lasting and catastrophic damage to the major parties in this country” as he accused Tory rebels of damaging his chances of getting a deal with Brussels.

Speaking before of one of the most extraordinary clashes in parliamentary history next week, Mr Johnson told Sky News: “I’m afraid that the more our friends and partners think at the back of their minds that Brexit could be stopped, that the UK could be kept in by parliament, the less likely they are to give us the deal that we need."


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Post by Gregg » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:11 pm

Speaking before of one of the most extraordinary clashes in parliamentary history next week, Mr Johnson told Sky News: “I’m afraid that the more our friends and partners think at the back of their minds that Brexit could be stopped, that the UK could be kept in by parliament, the less likely they are to give us the deal that we need."
Is it just me, or does that quote look like it was written by Slartibartfast in the dining room of the BistroMath?
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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:18 am

I’ll kick you out of party, Boris Johnson tells Tory rebels
Gauke warning over ‘95 per cent chance of no-deal’ if MPs do not act

Francis Elliott, Political Editor
September 2 2019, 12:00pm, The Times

Boris Johnson raised the stakes against Tory rebels last night by promising to remove the whip from anyone who votes to block a no-deal Brexit and ban them from standing as a Conservative candidate at the next election.

The prime minister issued the threat as opposition leaders and some Tories prepared to force through legislation compelling the government to secure another delay if there was no agreement with the European Union.

No 10 is braced for John Bercow, the Speaker, to allow the coalition opposed to no-deal to seize control of the Commons agenda as soon as MPs return from their summer break tomorrow.

Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, said yesterday that the so-called rebel alliance had settled on a “very simple plan"



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Post by gshevlin » Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:18 pm

I have to conclude that Boris Johnson either wants a snap General Election, or intends to "run the clock out" by ignoring a No vote and waiting until the prorogation of Parliament starts.
The Conservative Party does not have a working majority in the HoC, so even a handful of Conservative MPs voting against a government motion would ensure it is defeated.
The Opposition could call a vote of No Confidence, but a government resigning after a No Confidence vote is merely a convention, not a legal requirement, so Johnson could shrug his shoulders, say "I don't care" and wait until prorogation kicks in.
It is at this point that you realize that the lack of a written Constitution, and the lack of a fully detailed set of laws governing when and how a General Election can be triggered, becomes a problem for the UK.

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Post by fierceredpanda » Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:41 am

Someone this week tweeted from Poland that the talk about the UK's need for a written constitution is undercut by the fact that Poland has a written constitution, and it isn't stopping the slow-motion right-wing coup that is underway there.

The problem isn't that the UK has no written constitution. The problem is that the UK is presently led by an egomaniac who will happily tear down the whole temple in the name of appeasing a base of morons who think they can turn the clock back to the Eighteenth Century just by thumbing their nose at Europe and singing "Rule, Britannia!" at the top of their lungs.

Also, he clearly thinks an election now is good for him and would give him a solid majority in Parliament. I am agnostic on that, because Theresa May thought the same thing, to her cost, but at the same time, we probably shouldn't be underestimating the ability of right-wing populists globally to motivate their voters while simultaneously demoralizing everyone else enough to get over the finish line.
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Post by Hurtzi » Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:18 am

Johnson has learned a lot from Trump. Esp. lying.
Brussels baffled by Boris Johnson's Brexit progress claims

PM says deal outline is nearly ready but EU says no backstop alternatives have been tabled
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Post by ZekeB » Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:31 am

fierceredpanda wrote:
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The problem isn't that the UK has no written constitution. The problem is that the UK is presently led by an egomaniac who will happily tear down the whole temple in the name of appeasing a base of morons who think they can turn the clock back to the Eighteenth Century just by thumbing their nose at Europe and singing "Rule, Britannia!" at the top of their lungs.
We have a written constitution and we have the same problem with a narcissist trying to tear down our country. The checks and balances are out of whack. I'm waiting for Brexit to play out, but I suspect that GB's checks and balances will be more effective than ours.
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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:31 am

Tory rebels are handing power to Corbyn junta, says Boris Johnson
PM fails to quell unrest after meeting with dissident MPs

Francis Elliott, Political Editor | Kate Devlin | Esther Webber, Red Box reporter
September 3 2019, 2:00pm, The Times

Boris Johnson accused Tory rebels of giving power to a “junta” led by Jeremy Corbyn as last-ditch peace talks appear to have failed.

Tory MPs emerging from a meeting with the prime minister this morning say he has failed to win them round.

Mr Johnson tried to convince the group of about 15 Tories that a new EU deal could win parliamentary approval in under two weeks as he sought to convince them that he wanted to leave the bloc with an agreement.

He also hinted that the rebels could still try to block no-deal if Mr Johnson failed to win an agreement at the European Council on October 17.

One former minister said that the prime minister had failed to convince the rebels.



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Post by fierceredpanda » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:00 am

My phone's Twitter feed is telling me that Johnson just lost his majority, because a Tory MP just crossed the floor while Johnson was addressing the Commons.
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Post by fierceredpanda » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:03 am

Yup. Per the BBC:
Brexit: Tory MP defects ahead of crucial no deal vote

Conservative MP Philip Lee has defected to the Liberal Democrats ahead of a showdown between Boris Johnson and Tory rebels over Brexit.

Mr Lee, the MP for Bracknell, took his seat on the opposition benches as the PM addressed the Commons.

His defection means that Boris Johnson no longer has a working majority in the Commons.

:snippity:

Before Mr Lee's defection, Mr Johnson only had a working majority of one in the Commons.

In a letter to the prime minister, Mr Lee said the Conservative Party "had become a narrow faction in which one's Conservatism is measured by how recklessly one wants to leave the European Union".
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Post by Volkonski » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:56 am

High drama in London! Who will blink first?
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Post by Volkonski » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:46 pm

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I'm watching Boris Johnson in the Commons, and not only has one of his MPs just defected, live, to the Libs, but it's just one Tory MP after another attacking him, as he blusters. Any idea he's a magic LOLZ wizard getting stuff done is dying hard and fast.
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Post by Suranis » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:31 pm

Ongoing Brexit debate in the HoC.

Reese-Mogg, who is Leader of the House of Commons (yes, really) is being extra Penisy (I could use another word but people will just ask why I hate vaginas. Logically, hating Penises is apparently ok, or something.)



For those that are not well versed in the arcane details of British parliamentary procedures: This is the traditional position the Leader of CoH assumes to show just how much he respects Parliament.

Some enraged MPs are yelling "Sit up man".

In response Rees-Mogg is doing this:



Actual real life and happening just now. Rule Britannia!!
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Post by Patagoniagirl » Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:45 pm

Suranis wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:16 am
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You have something against vaginas?
Nothing, the forum changed the word I actually used, which started with T and ended with wat.
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Post by Suranis » Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:57 pm

*edit* On second thoughts, I'm the bigger fool for responding.
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Post by Chilidog » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:00 pm

Back to the topic....


BoJo is going down like an ME-109 over London in 1942.


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Post by Suranis » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:59 am



Teresa May must be laughing her ass off.
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Re: LEAVE Brexit Vote: Leave EU Thu 23 June - Market and US Election Impact

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Post by Orlylicious » Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:13 am

Are they crazy? This will make England seem so unstable in many eyes around the world.
Winston Churchill's grandson to be expelled from Conservative Party after defying Boris Johnson
BY ARIS FOLLEY - 09/03/19 10:49 PM EDT 554

Nicholas Soames, grandson of former British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, is among the 21 lawmakers set to be expelled from the U.K.'s Conservative Party after breaking with Prime Minister Boris Johnson in a vote on Brexit earlier on Tuesday, Reuters reports. Soames and 20 other members of the governing Conservative Party captured headlines earlier on Tuesday after they voted to join the opposition party in supporting a measure that would stop Johnson from taking the UK out of the European Union in the absence of a formal deal.

In response to the move, Johnson is moving to have the group expelled from the Conservative Party, a spokesman for his office confirmed to Reuters. “The chief whip is speaking to those Tory (Conservative) MPs (members of parliament) who did not vote with the government this evening. They will have the Tory whip removed,” the representative said, according to the news agency. Soames confirmed the news in an interview later on Tuesday, Reuters reported.

“I have been told by the chief whip, who is my friend and who I like very much, that it will be his sad duty to write to me tomorrow to tell me I have had the whip removed after 37 years as a Conservative member of parliament,” the 71-year-old said. “That’s fortunes of war. I knew what I was doing.”

“It is a pity - a great pity - that this has in my view all been planned: this is exactly what they wanted and they will try to have a general election which is what they wanted,” Soames, who has served as a Conservative Member of Parliament for nearly four decades, also said.
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Re: LEAVE Brexit Vote: Leave EU Thu 23 June - Market and US Election Impact

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Post by Suranis » Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:20 am

Honestly Orlylicious, I think that ship has sailed.
Orlylicious wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:13 am
Are they crazy? This will make England seem so unstable in many eyes around the world.
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