LEAVE Brexit Vote: Leave EU Thu 23 June - Market and US Election Impact

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I'm heading back to the UK for the new academic year in a couple of weeks. It'll be interesting to see how things go now that the country is being run by the budget-conscious shopper's Donald Trump.
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BJ. doesn't (want to ) understand the "one for all and all for one " leading principle of the EU. If Ireland says no, all will say no.

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MPs pledge to form alternative parliament in case of prorogation
Cross-party declaration calls Boris Johnson a threat to ‘very nature’ of British democracy


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... 1566923162
Boris Johnson has been described as a threat to the “very nature” of British democracy at a cross-party meeting where MPs agreed to form an alternative parliament in the event of the prime minister shutting down the existing one to make a no-deal Brexit happen.

In a symbolic gathering at Church House in Westminster, where MPs met during the second world war, Labour’s John McDonnell took to the stage alongside the former Conservative MP Anna Soubry as well as the Liberal Democrat leader, Jo Swinson, and Caroline Lucas of the Green party.

They signed the Church House declaration, which said shutting down parliament would be “an undemocratic outrage at such a crucial moment for our country, and a historic constitutional crisis”.

The pronouncement added: “Any attempt to prevent parliament [from] sitting, to force through a no-deal Brexit, will be met by strong and widespread democratic resistance.”
More than 160 MPs signed the declaration but that included no Conservatives.
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Shitty when your pretend constitution offers no solution.
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Boris Johnson has confirmed he has asked the Queen for permission to suspend parliament for five weeks from early September.

The prime minister claimed MPs would have “ample time” to debate Brexit, as he wrote to MPs on Wednesday, saying he had spoken to the Queen and asked her to suspend parliament from “the second sitting week in September”.

MPs will then return to Westminster on 14 October, when he said there would be a new Queen’s speech, setting out what he called a “bold and ambitious domestic legislative agenda for the renewal of our country after Brexit”.

The effect of the decision will be to curtail dramatically the time MPs have to introduce legislation or other measures aimed at preventing a no-deal Brexit. Parliament is expected to sit for little more than a week from 3 September.
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Apart from the desire to protect the Conservative party's future, and possibly innate anti-European/EU sentiment, does anyone have any idea what the "long-term" plan/intentions are? New world order? I really don't have any idea why supposedly intelligent people see this as a great opportunity for the (probably to be short lived) UK. What is it I'm missing?

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How long before Trump tries to suspend the Congress?
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Volkonski wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:07 am
How long before Trump tries to suspend the Congress?
He's probably already brought it up. My fear is he'll try to
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Doesn't this almost guarantee a no confidence vote as soon as Parliament meets in September?
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Reality Check wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:58 am
Doesn't this almost guarantee a no confidence vote as soon as Parliament meets in September?
I would think so.
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Reality Check wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:58 am
Doesn't this almost guarantee a no confidence vote as soon as Parliament meets in September?
Perhaps that is what Boris wants. In the subsequent election he expects the proBrexit voters to unite behind him giving him a majority.
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The problem with a no confidence vote is Corbyn wants to be PM and he needs the anti-Brexit Tories to form a government. They will never vote for him. Without a consensus candidate to replace Johnson as PM Johnson will just set the election to be held after October 31st and that guarantees that the UK exits with no deal. That only leaves a legislative solution and Johnson is doing his best to head that off by proroguing Parliament for 5 weeks. Corbyn's leadership during this entire process has been beyond abysmal. When the history of this period is written Corbyn will not fair well.
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Reality Check wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:40 am
The problem with a no confidence vote is Corbyn wants to be PM and he needs the anti-Brexit Tories to form a government. They will never vote for him. Without a consensus candidate to replace Johnson as PM Johnson will just set the election to be held after October 31st and that guarantees that the UK exits with no deal. That only leaves a legislative solution and Johnson is doing his best to head that off by proroguing Parliament for 5 weeks. Corbyn's leadership during this entire process has been beyond abysmal. When the history of this period is written Corbyn will not fair well.
I read somewhere that the anti-no-deal (which would include anti-Brexit too, I guess) opposition MPs were organizing themselves, but whether that will work or not, who knows. I suspect that many MPs are not letting on how they plan to vote or act ... possibly because they don't even know themselves.

I think a lot depends on how much individual MPs hold their noses and vote to prevent chaos, rather than being hypocritically high-minded and not voting for anything except exactly what they want. Unfortunately it's easy for MPs (as in many democratic systems) to vote everything down, even when there is a pressing need for a positive decision of some sort, not just "NO!" to everything. There's little pressure on individuals to compromise to sort out the mess.

In functioning European democracies which use referendums, the question offered is a very specific one, to approve a clearly defined action, such as a consitutional amendment or a particular proposed statute. It was crazy of the UK to run what was effectively a stupid opinion poll with absolutely no conception of what the details would be. It wouldn't have mattered if the voters had voted "remain", but too many voters treated it like a vote on a television reality show. The UK sowed seeds of stupidity and is reaping a harvest of chaos.

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Too bad the Queen can't just toss Johnson into the Tower of London.

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Apparently the Queen went along with Boris:

https://www.axios.com/brexit-parliament ... 96355.html
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NotaPerson wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:28 pm
Apparently the Queen went along with Boris:

https://www.axios.com/brexit-parliament ... 96355.html
She has to. The PM gives the orders and the Queen jumps as high as he says (very nicely) that she must.

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NotaPerson wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:28 pm
Apparently the Queen went along with Boris:

https://www.axios.com/brexit-parliament ... 96355.html
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I've heard this bull before.

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Why doesn't Hugh just say what he thinks? Why hold back?

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The Guardian
'Stop the coup': Protests across UK over Johnson's suspension of parliament

Within hours of Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament, impromptu protests were being held in major city centres across the country, including in front of the Palace of Westminster in central London.

Demonstrations were scheduled to be held from late afternoon onwards in areas including Manchester, Edinburgh, Cardiff, Birmingham, Liverpool, Bristol, Cambridge, Brighton, Durham, Milton Keynes and Chester.

The demonstrators described the move to suspend parliament as a coup and called for Johnson to resign. At one point, the traffic at Downing Street was at a standstill as protesters chanted “save our democracy, stop the coup” and sang “No one voted for Boris”

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Actor Hugh Grant to Boris Johnson:
''You will not fuck with my children’s future. You will not destroy the freedoms my grandfather fought two world wars to defend. Fuck off you over-promoted rubber bath toy. Britain is revolted by you and you little gang of masturbatory prefects."
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Allies of British prime minister resign amid outrage over Parliament suspension

LONDON — British Prime Minister Boris Johnson faced defections from senior allies Thursday as a backlash built and opponents planned legal challenges to his decision to suspend Parliament to push his Brexit plans.

The resignation of Ruth Davidson, who had been touted as a future prime minister, along with another senior Conservative in the House of Lords, was a sign of rising worry within Johnson’s ranks that the move to suspend Parliament was sidelining Britain’s elected representatives during one of the biggest political crises in generations.

Elsewhere in Europe, policymakers were jolted by the move to suspend Parliament for five weeks, which some of them said brought Britain closer to a sudden, cliff-edge Brexit that analysts say could spark food and medicine shortages. Some diplomats said they were increasingly convinced Johnson is a brutally ruthless tactician who would stop at little in a risky gambit to force both Europe and his own rebellious lawmakers into a compromise.

The resignations came after protesters jammed streets in cities around the country, including in London, Edinburgh and Manchester. Outside of Parliament, demonstrators chanted “stop the coup!” A petition calling for the government to stop the suspension quickly surged past 1 million signatures. Johnson’s adversaries promised to appeal his move in the courts. Brexit opponents were strategizing about how to use their dwindling time in Parliament to halt the relentless move toward an uncontrolled break from Europe.

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A suicide threat will not force "Europe " - that is the 27 - into a compromise about the negotiated conditions of divorce. "Good riddance " is all the 27 are thinking or even speaking out loud. Same for the threat to not pay the bill.

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Johnson wants a No deal cliff Brexit. That is clear. Why he does, I dont know. He isn't as stupid as he likes to pretend, and he is certainly NOT dumb. He was caught saying in a private supporters gathering last year that he things it would be bad short term but long term it will be great, and that is probably as close as you are going to get as to his real thoughts on the matter.. He probably is willing to sacrifice the people who will die due to no deal for the Greater Good.

He also likes to style himself on Churchill, much like the Tangerine vagina does. He seems to see himself as the great man who was mocked and hated like Churchill, but destined to lead England to greatness at a moment of crises.

He is also an extreme liar and reckless to the extreme.
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Suranis wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:49 pm
Johnson wants a No deal cliff Brexit. That is clear. Why he does, I dont know. He isn't as stupid as he likes to pretend, and he is certainly NOT dumb. He was caught saying in a private supporters gathering last year that he things it would be bad short term but long term it will be great, and that is probably as close as you are going to get as to his real thoughts on the matter.. He probably is willing to sacrifice the people who will die due to no deal for the Greater Good.

He also likes to style himself on Churchill, much like the Tangerine vagina does. He seems to see himself as the great man who was mocked and hated like Churchill, but destined to lead England to greatness at a moment of crises.

He is also an extreme liar and reckless to the extreme.
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