LEAVE Brexit Vote: Leave EU Thu 23 June - Market and US Election Impact

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Post by Jcolvin2 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:04 am

Volkonski wrote:
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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:42 pm

Boris Johnson thwarts MPs with parliament suspension
Oliver Wright, Policy Editor and Henry Zeffman
September 9 2019, 12:00pm, The Times

Boris Johnson will press ahead with suspending parliament tonight, curtailing the ability of MPs to shape the course of Brexit until mid-October.

The prime minister’s official spokesman confirmed that both houses would rise for the last time this evening at the end of today’s business and would not sit again until October 14.

The decision means that MPs are unlikely to be able to seize control of the order paper to demand documents on no-deal and prorogation.

The government could have allowed MPs to continue sitting until Thursday under the prorogation order but has decided to curtail the sitting as early as possible.

Under the law as it stands parliament had to sit today for ministers to update MPs and peers on the situation .



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Post by fierceredpanda » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:28 pm

I'm hoping Bercow's decision to stand down (which has me very depressed) will make the Government reconsider their rumored position vis a vis withholding the peerage.
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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:36 pm

fierceredpanda wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:28 pm
I'm hoping Bercow's decision to stand down (which has me very depressed) will make the Government reconsider their rumored position vis a vis withholding the peerage.
Maybe it will be a next government to put him on the list.

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Post by Dan1100 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:41 am

Just a little dark symbolism.

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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:46 am

Teh Donald will help Boris and this pyroman: he will rollback that EU regulation ;)

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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:04 am

Brexit: Boris Johnson's second attempt to trigger election fails

MPs have again rejected Boris Johnson's calls for a snap election, as the five-week suspension of Parliament begins.

In all, 293 MPs voted for the prime minister's motion for an early poll, far short of the number needed.

Earlier, opposition MPs confirmed they would not support an October poll, insisting a law blocking a no-deal Brexit must be implemented first.

Parliament was officially suspended - or prorogued - just before 02:00 BST on Tuesday and will reopen on 14 October.

A group of Labour backbenchers protested against the move, appearing to try to block Speaker John Bercow amid raucous scenes in the House of Commons.


https:// www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49630094

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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:08 am

snippet from a Guardian article:
Guardian wrote:Earlier in the day, Boris Johnson once again failed in his attempt to force an early general election after opposition MPs abstained and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said he would not let his party walk into “traps laid by this prime minister”. This was the sixth parliamentary defeat for the prime minister in a week, more defeats than Thatcher, Major, Blair or Brown had in their entire tenures as PM.

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Post by tencats » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:42 pm

Brexit
MPs look to bring back May's Brexit deal with vote on referendum
Tue 10 Sep 2019 16.10 EDT
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... referendum
Several sources told the Guardian that MPs will spend the next few weeks working on ways to bring back the deal – with added concessions to Labour – to the House of Commons via a backbencher or a temporary prime minister.

MPs working on the options said more Tory and former Tory MPs were now open to backing a Brexit deal with a second referendum added, taking parliament closer to a cross-party majority for the plan.

One former Tory MP said the option was under consideration and would “certainly have to be linked to a referendum”. He added: “We will know in those two weeks whether it is possible or not.”

Another former Tory said: “There is an element of seeing what the next step is from No 10. A lot would be pretty hesitant about backing a referendum until all other options have been tried. But, more attractive, is a way of bringing a deal back on to the table – a version of what was agreed between May and Corbyn. And then have a confirmatory vote attached to it, or someone amends one on.”
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Post by fierceredpanda » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:07 pm

My heavens, a sensible plan. :swoon:
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Post by Reality Check » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:34 pm

fierceredpanda wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:07 pm
My heavens, a sensible plan. :swoon:
Agreed, a second referendum with a choice between May's previously negotiated agreement and revoking Article 50 would make sense. The first thing they need to do is get rid of Johnson and replace him ASAP when Parliament returns.
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Post by Mikedunford » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:01 pm

fierceredpanda wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:07 pm
My heavens, a sensible plan. :swoon:
That's strike 1.
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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:01 am

from Scotland with love...
Johnson's advice to Queen on suspending UK Parliament was unlawful, court rules
By Aimee Lewis, CNN

Updated 1723 GMT (0123 HKT) September 11, 2019

(CNN)The UK government's decision to shut down Parliament in the run-up to Brexit was illegal, Scotland's highest civil court has ruled, in a serious blow to embattled Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

In a devastating ruling, a panel of three senior judges unanimously declared that Johnson's advice to the Queen to suspend Parliament for five weeks was "unlawful."

Johnson has always insisted that his decision was a routine device that allowed the government to start a new parliamentary session with a fresh legislative agenda. But the Scottish judges disagreed, saying it was motivated by the "improper purpose of stymying Parliament."
"This was an egregious case of a clear failure to comply with generally accepted standards of behaviour of public authorities," ruled one of the judges, Lord Brodie, according to a summary of the decision posted online.

The court did not immediately issue an order to lift the suspension -- also known as prorogation -- noting that the High Court in London had come to a different conclusion and that the UK Supreme Court would need to resolve the issue. The government confirmed that it would appeal the Scottish court's decision to the Supreme Court.


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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:23 am

Meanwhile, the official UK.gov site says it's a done deal and has an interactive feature on how to prepare:
Get ready for Brexit: check what you need to do
The United Kingdom is leaving the European Union on 31 October 2019.
Use this checker to find out what you or your business will need to do to get ready for Brexit.
It should only take a few minutes to complete.
https://www.gov.uk/get-ready-brexit-check
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Just to check it out, picked EU national living and working in the UK with plans to drive with a pet. Look at this list!

Based on your answers, we know:

You do not own or operate a business or organisation
You are an EU national
You live in the UK
You are employed in the UK
You plan to travel to the EU
You are travelling with a pet
You need to drive abroad

You and your family
Take out appropriate travel insurance with health cover before travelling to the EU
You may be charged for your care if you do not get health cover with your travel insurance.
Read the guidance: Visit Europe after Brexit
Do it as soon as possible

Apply to the EU Settlement Scheme by 31 December 2020 to continue living in the UK
If you do not apply to the Settlement Scheme, you may not be able to continue living or working in the UK as you do now.
You do not need to apply if you have: indefinite leave to enter the UK, indefinite leave to remain in the UK, British or Irish citizenship (including ‘dual citizenship’).
Read the guidance: Apply to the EU Settlement Scheme (settled and pre-settled status)
Do it as soon as possible

Contact your vet at least 4 months before travelling to make sure your pet is able to travel to the EU
If your pet does not have the proper documents, you will not be able to take it with you.
Read the guidance: Pet travel to Europe after Brexit
It takes at least 4 months

Check whether your mobile phone company has changed its mobile roaming charges before travelling to the EU
You may be charged for using your mobile device in the EU if your operator has re-introduced roaming charges.
Read the guidance: Visit Europe after Brexit
Do it as soon as possible

Check if you need an International Driving Permit before you drive in the EU, EEA or Switzerland
You may be driving illegally - you could get a fine, or your vehicle could be seized.
Read the guidance: Driving abroad
Do it as soon as possible

Get motor insurance green cards for your vehicle, caravan or trailer if they're registered in the UK and you'll be driving in the EU or EEA
You could get a fine or your vehicle could be seized if you do not have a motor insurance green card to prove you're insured.
Read the guidance: Driving in the EU after Brexit - Insurance for your vehicle, caravan or trailer
It takes up to one month

Put a GB sticker on the back of your vehicle if it's registered in the UK, even if your number plate already shows GB with a Euro symbol
You could get a fine if you do not have a GB sticker when you need one.
Read the guidance: Driving in the EU after Brexit - GB stickers and number plates
What a nightmare, who's going to process all this paperwork? Dang.
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Post by Gregg » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:57 am

What a nightmare, who's going to process all this paperwork? Dang.
Lemme guess.... They've outsourced it to a company in Brussels that does data entry and transcription. Some fees and taxes will apply. (it'll cost £1,000 to get all the permits, every farthing of it paid to companies on the Continent) :violin:
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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:36 am

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Post by Sam the Centipede » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:09 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:01 am
from Scotland with love...
Johnson's advice to Queen on suspending UK Parliament was unlawful, court rules
By Aimee Lewis, CNN

Updated 1723 GMT (0123 HKT) September 11, 2019

(CNN)The UK government's decision to shut down Parliament in the run-up to Brexit was illegal, Scotland's highest civil court has ruled, in a serious blow to embattled Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
I read The Guardian's blog that day on the Scottish court's decision. It made some interesting points. First was that Scotland's constitution differs from England's. The second was that according to a legal guru, modern English (not Scottish) constitutional interpretation has been heavily influenced by a Victorian scholar (Dicey, perhaps, but I might have misremembered the name) and he was strong on how royal prerogative etc. limited courts' abilities to interfere.

Some news media reported the English court as declaring Johnson's actions to be legal. I glanced at the judgement and I think that is misleading or wrong. The court ruled that it was "not justiciable" (reflecting above-mentioned scholar's view?). I think "we won't consider it" is not equivalent to "we approve it."

The case goes to the UK Supreme Court soon. I guess it's going to be an argument about the interaction between the unwritten :o constitutions of England, Scotland and the UK. Perhaps they will decide that the UK Prime Minister's actions must be compliant with all three, but perhaps that's too simple a view for senior jurists! ;)

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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:57 am

Boris Johnson books lunch date with Jean-Claude Juncker
DUP shifts red lines to unlock deal

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Oliver Wright, Policy Editor | Bruno Waterfield, Brussels
September 13 2019, 12:00pm, The Times

Boris Johnson will hold his first bilateral talks with Jean-Claude Juncker next week as he seeks a possible Brexit deal.

Mr Johnson will meet the president of the European Commission for a working lunch in Luxembourg, rather than Brussels. A spokeswoman for the European Commission said that the decision to meet in Luxembourg was by “common accord” and that they would have lunch in a “neutral location”.

The meeting comes after The Times reported that the Democratic Unionist Party had agreed to shift its red lines to help unlock a deal.

Downing Street sources played down the idea that the meeting signalled a breakthrough in negotiations but it adds to the sense of momentum gathering.


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Post by Lani » Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:59 am

Facebook fact-checker finds UK Conservatives ran ads with altered BBC headline
Sept 13 (Reuters) - One of Facebook’s third-party fact-checkers accused Britain’s governing Conservative Party on Friday of misrepresenting a BBC News article in its ads on the social media platform.

UK fact-checking charity Full Fact found that Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s party has been funding ads on Facebook that link to a BBC article with an apparently altered headline that reads “£14 billion pound cash boost for schools.”

The actual BBC story here is headlined "School spending: Multi-billion pound cash boost announced," and instead puts the number at £7.1 billion, criticizing the government's use of £14 billion pound figure as not the usual way of calculating spending.

Full Fact, which is part of the third-party fact-checking program created by Facebook to fight misinformation on the platform, said it had been scrutinizing online advertising ahead of a possible snap election in the country.
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Post by Suranis » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:55 pm

Just a taster of the tabloids in the UK at the moment - represented by the Daily Reich.

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Post by Gregg » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:54 pm


Prime Minister Boris Johnson compared Britain to the comic book character the Hulk, always escaping from tight situations (AFP Photo/Jon Super)
London (AFP) - Prime Minister Boris Johnson said Saturday he was making a "huge amount of progress" towards a Brexit deal with the EU


Did he make all these breakthroughs in two calls from highly placed Chinese officials? :rotflmao:
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Post by Chilidog » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:45 pm

How..... Juvenile.

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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:24 pm

Brexit: Boris Johnson attacked by Luxembourg PM over 'nightmare'
Luxembourg's PM spoke beside the empty podium where Boris Johnson was due to appear

Luxembourg's PM has attacked Boris Johnson's approach to Brexit, calling the situation a "nightmare".

Xavier Bettel said the British government had failed to put forward any serious proposals for a new deal.

But Mr Johnson, who pulled out of a joint press conference with Mr Bettel because of noisy protesters, said there was still a good chance of a deal.

A government source said the gap the UK and Brussels needed to bridge to achieve a deal "remains quite large".

Mr Bettel, who addressed the media on his own after the UK PM pulled out, said his counterpart "holds the future of all UK citizens in his hands" and suggested it was his responsibility to break the deadlock in the process.

Mr Johnson also held talks with the European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker and the EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier.

He said he had been encouraged by the EU's willingness to engage with the UK in their shared desire to avoid a no-deal exit but there had not been a "total breakthrough".

However, the European Commission said the PM had yet to present concrete proposals for it to consider and insisted any new plans had to be "compatible" with the existing withdrawal agreement, which has been rejected three times by MPs.


https:// www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49715705

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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:26 pm

Brexit: Johnson, EU talks fail to move amid protest chaos
PM skips Luxembourg press conference as host rounds on Britain for ‘nightmare’

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was booed by anti-Brexit protestors following talks in Luxembourg with the head of the EU executive, Jean-Claude Juncker and the EU's chief Brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier. Video: Reuters


Talks in Luxembourg between Boris Johnson and Jean Claude Juncker failed to make any ground on the central challenge of the Northern Ireland backstop on Monday as EU officials insisted that the UK has still failed to produce proposals for a specific, legally operable alternative.

The British prime minister and the European Commission president met for a heavily hyped working lunch aimed at “taking stock” of the state of play in talks. But its aftermath descended into farce as noisy Remain demonstrators forced Mr Johnson to abandon a planned open-air press conference.

His departure was followed by a solo performance by Luxembourg prime minister Xavier Bettel, who rounded on his absent guest over the handling of the Brexit mess as entirely “homemade problems” which had created a “nightmare” for EU citizens.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/u ... -1.4019492

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