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somerset wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:53 pm That said, mental and physical toughness are hallmarks of world class athletes. To give this a little perspective, what would the sportsball fans here think about a star quarterback "not being mentally up" for the superbowl? Or a star forward "not being mentally up" for the world cup finals? Would they be given the same deference?
If they had been repeatedly sexually abused by their coach with a blind eye turned to it, I'd like to hope I would. There is a lot of background to this.
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somerset wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:53 pm That said, mental and physical toughness are hallmarks of world class athletes. To give this a little perspective, what would the sportsball fans here think about a star quarterback "not being mentally up" for the superbowl? Or a star forward "not being mentally up" for the world cup finals? Would they be given the same deference?
I would hope so.
Gotta disagree. She chose to represent the United States at the Olympic Games. She's been entrusted by her team and her country to be the anchor of the team. If you don't owe the people who trust you something, what good is trust?
Well, let us keep in mind what the stakes are for the two parties here. For the spectator, the most they are going to get out of something is entertainment and bragging rights, the worst consequence they are going to get is a little less entertainment and maybe a little ribbing from a foreign coworker about how one team did better than the other.

For the athlete, being off their game can result in life altering injury or death. They also have to evaluate if their current condition will help or hurt a team.

Part of being a professional is having the perspective and experience to say 'no, this is a bad idea and could result in an accident if we move forward'. By virtue of making it that far in their profession they have already demonstrated that they are not some kind of devia who ducks out on a whim.

I do not see this as a violation of trust at all. Trust is all about predictable behavior, and I expect professionals to exercise this kind of veto when they feel it is appropriate. So she was operating well within the range I would expect. Same as if I hired a contractor to do some kind of construction work.. if they come back and say 'no, I couldn't do this safely' or 'my workers are not in a condition to work right now (extreme heat here is a good example of this), there might be some contract issues, some penalties, but not a violation of trust. Hell, if they did the opposite and someone got hurt, THAT would be a violation since I trusted them to be professionals and 'at all costs' idiots.
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Many people have rejoiced in Simone Biles ability to win medals and competitions using her, to me, almost super-human athleticism and mental focus. Is it too much to accept, however disappointing, that perhaps she is the person best-placed to evaluate her options?

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somerset wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:56 pm
Suranis wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:14 pm

Also its fucking brave to withdraw when the easier option would have been to continue. It's a victory for Gymnastics and Mental Health.

And she owes us fuck all.
Gotta disagree. She chose to represent the United States at the Olympic Games. She's been entrusted by her team and her country to be the anchor of the team. If you don't owe the people who trust you something, what good is trust?
What she owes them is to do her best.

When she saw how she was performing and realized that she was not at the top of her game, she reevaluated her options and chose the best alternative for both her and her team. She realized that she was at real risk of substantial injury to herself. How would that be good for her team? If she dropped out, uninjured, today, she could possibly be a future asset to the team.

Biles did what a good athlete should do. Good for her!
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Good perspectives, everyone. Thanks!
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I have only one question for all those people who feel that Simone is a quitter, and should have continued the other night. What would your reaction have been if she did poorly on the remaining exercises and caused her team to lose out on medalling at all? I can almost guarantee that there would be even greater anger and disparagement, claiming that “she should have known better than to compete and ruin her team’s chances”.

After all her years of training, she undoubtedly knows her body, ability, and limitations better than anyone. I completely trust her decision to not attempt something which she felt she wasn’t capable of doing at that moment, and agree that it was a very courageous choice, knowing that she would receive much criticism.
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Sunrise wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:52 pm I have only one question for all those people who feel that Simone is a quitter, and should have continued the other night. What would your reaction have been if she did poorly on the remaining exercises and caused her team to lose out on medalling at all? I can almost guarantee that there would be even greater anger and disparagement, claiming that “she should have known better than to compete and ruin her team’s chances”.

After all her years of training, she undoubtedly knows her body, ability, and limitations better than anyone. I completely trust her decision to not attempt something which she felt she wasn’t capable of doing at that moment, and agree that it was a very courageous choice, knowing that she would receive much criticism.
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In the meantime, the Murdoch media has its pulse on the real issues.

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I agree Sunrise!!!!!!! I challenge whoever questions her decision to accomplish not even 1/2 of what she has accomplished and with such grace!
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Here's her statement from 2018, when she first acknowledged the abuse.
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So upthread I made a comment about the danger that Ms. Biles could've become a quadriplegic by soldiering on to please some people. That was just common sense. Then I saw this:

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Kerri Strug understands:
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It's possible that this is satire from The Onion.
Conservatives Blast Simone Biles For Robbing Them Of Opportunity To Criticize Her Win

NEW YORK—Accusing her of being selfish and unfit to be a gold medal gymnast, conservatives blasted Simone Biles Wednesday for robbing them of the opportunity to criticize her win. “As of today, Ms. Biles has not only betrayed her country and her fans, but denied us the chance to pick apart every single word she would have said while celebrating a victory for team USA,” said Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson, adding that if she really was the Greatest of All Time, she’d have performed and given him plenty of ammunition to call her composure and facial expressions “smug,” “ungrateful,” and “cocky.” “What Simone Biles has done today is a slap in the face, not for just the United States, not just for gymnastics, but for me and all my colleagues, who had dozens of scathing segments attacking her skimpy uniform, her steely composure, and her recent forays into social justice. So, Simone, if you’re watching, I hope you and team USA are happy, because now America will never get to hear us call you a sore winner, and equate the gymnastic moves named after you with a tainted legacy.” At press time, Carlson played a clip of Kerri Strug vaulting with a broken ankle, and pointed out how she wasn’t afraid to be ripped apart for winning gold.
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raison de arizona wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:10 pm It's possible that this is satire from The Onion.
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Hawaii’s Carissa Moore wins gold in first-ever women’s surfing event at the Olympics
Hawaii’s Carissa Moore defeated South Africa’s Bianca Buitendag to win the gold medal in the first-ever women’s surfing event in the Summer Olympics on Tuesday in Tokyo.

The four-time world champion, who took control at the start and surfed fluidly throughout, found the rhythm of the sea as she has in so many winning waves around the world. The final heat featured cleaner conditions as a typhoon threatening the country moved away. It was a reward after battling through “perfect storm” conditions at Tsurigasaki Beach over the past two days.

The raging winds had backed off, and the water’s surface was “starting to shimmer a little,” in one announcer’s words, as Moore, 28, earned a succession of increasing scores: a 3.17, 3.4, then a 7.33 with a two-turn combo in a discerningly selected wave.

“She found that diamond in the rough,” the announcer said.
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CNN article about "the twisties"
When Simone Biles scratched most of the Olympic team final, she said it was not because of a physical injury, but her mental health. This doesn't mean she felt sad, or didn't have her heart in it to compete. It means that her psychological state put her at significant physical risk. If her brain wouldn't play along with what her body knows how to do, she could be seriously injured.
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Olympic Gymnastics Live: Sunisa Lee Wins All-Around Gold
TOKYO — For years, Sunisa Lee, a teenager from Minnesota who became the Olympic all-around gymnastics champion on Thursday night, wasn’t training just for herself.

As a Hmong American, she went to the gym every day for all the first-generation Americans who wanted to achieve success when their parents had come to the United States with nothing. And she trained through grueling practices and painful injuries, including an ankle injury in the months leading up to the Tokyo Games, for her father, John, who suffered a spinal cord injury in 2019 and now uses a wheelchair.
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Why is this posted in the Olympics topic?
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