TS/Hurricane Dorian -- Puerto Rico, Bahamas, Florida, Carolinas (Not Alabama, Donald.)

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/us/p ... -ios-share
WASHINGTON — The White House was directly involved in pressing a federal scientific agency to repudiate the weather forecasters who contradicted President Trump’s claim that Hurricane Dorian would probably strike Alabama, according to several people familiar with the events.

Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, told Wilbur Ross, the commerce secretary, to have the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration publicly disavow the forecasters’ position that Alabama was not at risk. NOAA, which is part of the Commerce Department, issued an unsigned statement last Friday in response, saying that the Birmingham, Ala., office was wrong to dispute the president’s warning.

In pressing NOAA’s acting administrator to take action, Mr. Ross warned that top employees at the agency could be fired if the situation was not addressed, The New York Times previously reported. Mr. Ross’s spokesman has denied that he threatened to fire anyone, and a senior administration official on Wednesday said Mr. Mulvaney did not tell the commerce secretary to make such a threat.

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Kendra wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:07 pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/us/p ... -ios-share
WASHINGTON — The White House was directly involved in pressing a federal scientific agency to repudiate the weather forecasters who contradicted President Trump’s claim that Hurricane Dorian would probably strike Alabama, according to several people familiar with the events.

Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, told Wilbur Ross, the commerce secretary, to have the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration publicly disavow the forecasters’ position that Alabama was not at risk. NOAA, which is part of the Commerce Department, issued an unsigned statement last Friday in response, saying that the Birmingham, Ala., office was wrong to dispute the president’s warning.

In pressing NOAA’s acting administrator to take action, Mr. Ross warned that top employees at the agency could be fired if the situation was not addressed, The New York Times previously reported. Mr. Ross’s spokesman has denied that he threatened to fire anyone, and a senior administration official on Wednesday said Mr. Mulvaney did not tell the commerce secretary to make such a threat.
Does it say what kind of proof they have or is it just unnamed sources?

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Post by Kendra » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:19 pm

From skimming through the article again, I don't even see that they mention unnamed sources...

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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:25 pm

Kendra wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:19 pm
From skimming through the article again, I don't even see that they mention unnamed sources...
Anything other than "according to several people familiar with the events" to back up their claims?

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Post by Kendra » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:49 pm

Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:25 pm
Kendra wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:19 pm
From skimming through the article again, I don't even see that they mention unnamed sources...
Anything other than "according to several people familiar with the events" to back up their claims?
Not that I have seen. WAPO https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/ ... recasters/

President Trump told his staff that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration needed to deal with a tweet that seemed to contradict his statement that Hurricane Dorian posed a significant threat to Alabama as of Sept. 1, in contrast to what the agency’s forecasters were predicting at the time, senior administration officials said. This led chief of staff Mick Mulvaney to call Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross to tell him to fix the issue, the officials said.

Trump had complained for several days about the issue, according to the senior officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

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Post by Slim Cognito » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:31 pm

Listening to MSNBC in the car when his 1:00 ish presser came on. He gets asked a question on topic A, B or C and his answer is always the same. I am the greatest president ever, the media is fake and no president has ever achieved as much as me.

I get the gish gallop thing, but if he can't gish on topic, he's got bigger problems, and they're not going to get better...
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Post by Suranis » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:47 pm

35 MPH wind is "getting hit" in concern trollverse. Ya, becasue a wind that might break a small branch of a tree and cause a weakened fence to blow down while causing zero damage to a house is worth bieng concenred about and needed to be twatted about.

In my view, what happened is simply that he went off foe a nice 3 days golfing where he got no briefings at all, and then when he got back he had to pretend to be concerned, so he tweeted what he vaugly remembered he was told 3 days beforehand, when Alabama was at risk. There, explains everything, and does not need one to invent new wind classifications and Nuclear 35 mph winds to do it.
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The U.S. will not grant temporary protected status to people from the Bahamas displaced by Hurricane Dorian, an administration official tells NBC News.
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Post by stoppingby » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:24 pm

Didn't we turn away Jewish refugees at the beginning of World War II on the ship "the Saint Louis"? The twitler is living up to his nickname.

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Post by Dolly » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:16 pm

Estimated 2,500 names on list of the missing in Bahamas after Dorian

A tentative list of the missing in the Bahamas after Hurricane Dorian has 2,500 names, officials reportedly said Wednesday.

However the nation’s government said those names haven’t yet been checked against rosters listing those who have since evacuated from the islands or are staying in shelters in light of the mass devastation due to the storm, according to the Associated Press.

As a result, the list of those missing is likely to shrink, Carl Smith, a spokesman for the Bahamas’ National Emergency Management Agency, told the AP.

The death toll in the islands as a result of the hurricane was 50 as of Wednesday, but this count is expected to rise as crews in the Caribbean islands are still looking for survivors. Nearly 70,000 people were left homeless because of the hurricane.

“The number of deaths is expected to significantly increase,” Prime Minister Hubert Minnis said in a national address on Wednesday, according to the AP. <snip>
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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:14 am

The storm is believed to have left 70,000 Bahamians homeless. Many, like Shakeria Blanc, say they have nowhere to go. :( :shock:
Fort Lauderdale is 2.5 hours by boat, 187 miles. What do they think these people are going to do? Can't believe SCOTUS doesn't read the news and approved Steven Miller's draconian asylum provisions. What it means is they have to come right to the US, the rules are now you have to apply for asylum in the first country you arrive in.


Haven't heard much about what the UK is planning.

Wikipedia background: "The Bahamas became a British crown colony in 1718, when the British clamped down on piracy. After the American Revolutionary War, the Crown resettled thousands of American Loyalists to the Bahamas; they took their slaves with them and established plantations on land grants. African slaves and their descendants constituted the majority of the population from this period on. The slave trade was abolished by the British in 1807; slavery in the Bahamas was abolished in 1834. Subsequently, the Bahamas became a haven for freed African slaves. Africans liberated from illegal slave ships were resettled on the islands by the Royal Navy, while some North American slaves and Seminoles escaped to the Bahamas from Florida. Bahamians were even known to recognize the freedom of slaves carried by the ships of other nations which reached the Bahamas. Today Afro-Bahamians make up 90% of the population of 332,634. The Bahamas became an independent Commonwealth realm in 1973 with Elizabeth II as its queen.[11] In terms of gross domestic product per capita, the Bahamas is one of the richest countries in the Americas (following the United States and Canada), with an economy based on tourism and offshore finance."

Bonus: The TV series BLACK SAILS covers this period beautifully with Long John Silver and all the pirates in New Providence Island, which is Nassau.

Faux News:
Bahamas government denies reports it discouraged Dorian aid to shattered Abaco Islands
By Ellison Barber | Fox News

Death toll rises to at least 50 in the Bahamas
Hurricane death toll rises in the Bahamas; Ellison Barber reports.

The Bahamian government has denied allegations that officials are rejecting or stalling aid for the Abaco Islands in a bid to pressure remaining residents to evacuate. Three sources working with nonprofits told Fox News on Tuesday that Bahamian officials encouraged them to hold off on delivering items like generators and water filtration systems to the Abaco Islands, which were devastated by Hurricane Dorian last week. A spokesman for the Bahama’s emergency management agency, NEMA, told Fox News the claims are inaccurate. The spokesman admitted the distribution of aid to all of the islands has not been as consistent as people wish. However, he said that was partly due to the fact that most vehicles were destroyed by the storm.

Food and supplies were still flooding into Marsh Harbour Airport in the Abaco Islands, but for the most part, no locals were there to use them. Fox News was told that rescues in the Abaco Islands are largely completed, as are most evacuations. Military aircraft are now flying supplies to the smaller surrounding cays, where more residents have chosen not to evacuate. In Marsh Harbour, neighborhoods with names like “Pigeon Pea” and “da Mudd” are empty. All that appears to be left are piles of rubble and the bodies buried underneath them. On a nearby dock, pallets of emergency ready meals sat untouched for most the afternoon.

In one grocery store, shelves are filled with food. Boxes of donated food are scattered about, but they are unopened and only a handful of people were coming for supplies. Some say supplies are not getting to the people who need them fast enough -- and many of those in need have already evacuated to Nassau. Atisha Kemp, a local activist and one of many still searching for missing relatives, says those who survived Dorian’s wrath are “coming out of hell and going right back into hell. “We got thousands of people coming [to Nassau]. Don't know where they're going. They're going in shelters,” Kemp said. “We have no plan. Who's going to assist us? Who is coming to help us?”

Mortuary facilities in Nassau are overwhelmed, according to officials. The Caribbean Disaster Emergency Management Agency says the dead are being placed in body bags and temporarily stored in refrigerated containers. Fox News saw at least two bodies recovered in Abaco, on Tuesday. In Nassau, shelters are overcrowded. Sixteen children, most of them toddlers, were brought to the Children Emergency Hostel on Sunday. Caretaker Lovinia Baker Hutchison told Fox News the shelter has never had as many children as it has right now. Now that the children are in Nassau, Hutchinson said, "there's not much to do, but care for one another and pray that everything will get better."

The storm is believed to have left 70,000 Bahamians homeless. Many, like Shakeria Blanc, say they have nowhere to go.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/bahamas-g ... dorian-aid

And even though Marco Rubio, Rick Scott, Ron DeSantis and other Rs wanted the US to waive visa requirements (like we did in Haiti after the disaster), Donald said no. Just awful. We need a President that brings nations together to help in unison, now there's talk China is throwing money hoping to destabilize the region. Just what we need 187 miles from the Florida coast. :brickwallsmall:
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Post by Slim Cognito » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:16 am

Orlylicious wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:14 am
The storm is believed to have left 70,000 Bahamians homeless. Many, like Shakeria Blanc, say they have nowhere to go. :( :shock:
Fort Lauderdale is 2.5 hours by boat, 187 miles. What do they think these people are going to do? Can't believe SCOTUS doesn't read the news and approved Steven Miller's draconian asylum provisions. What it means is they have to come right to the US, the rules are now you have to apply for asylum in the first country you arrive in.


Haven't heard much about what the UK is planning.

Wikipedia background: "The Bahamas became a British crown colony in 1718, when the British clamped down on piracy. ....

Bonus: The TV series BLACK SAILS covers this period beautifully with Long John Silver and all the pirates in New Providence Island, which is Nassau.

Faux News:
Bahamas government denies reports it discouraged Dorian aid to shattered Abaco Islands
By Ellison Barber | Fox News

Death toll rises to at least 50 in the Bahamas
Hurricane death toll rises in the Bahamas; Ellison Barber reports.
....
And even though Marco Rubio, Rick Scott, Ron DeSantis and other Rs wanted the US to waive visa requirements (like we did in Haiti after the disaster), Donald said no. Just awful. We need a President that brings nations together to help in unison, now there's talk China is throwing money hoping to destabilize the region. Just what we need 187 miles from the Florida coast. :brickwallsmall:
(Black Sails was an excellent show, it's the prequel to Treasure Island and has a delightful mix of fictional pirates and real-life pirates, some well known, like Calico Jack and Anne Bonny, and some not so well known, like Charles Vane, but real nonetheless.)


I'll try to find the link to the story I read a few days ago about China's offer to help the Bahamas. It even mentioned the possibility of them getting a military base out of it.
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Another dystopian moment courtesy of the Trump admin:


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Post by Orlylicious » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:44 pm

Good, Prince Charles spoke with the PM.





Tropical Storm 9, now Humberto, is projected to pelt those poor people again, not like Dorian but Florida is still exhausted and we missed Dorian. Prayers to all our friends there.

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Post by Dolly » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:57 pm

Days ago I posted a link to a radio interview with Papa Doug Manchester (after Trump had tweeted about him). I did not listen to the whole thing. But IIIRC, he mentioned China. Something about China installing equipment of some kind in the Bahamas - establishing a base?

Sorry I was half listening while doing other stuff and don't remember more. :oops:

I'm going to bed now but will try to listen again in the morning.. if I remember. :?
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Dolly wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:57 pm
Days ago I posted a link to a radio interview with Papa Doug Manchester (after Trump had tweeted about him). I did not listen to the whole thing. But IIIRC, he mentioned China. Something about China installing equipment of some kind in the Bahamas - establishing a base?

Sorry I was half listening while doing other stuff and don't remember more. :oops:

I'm going to bed now but will try to listen again in the morning.. if I remember. :?
maybe this snippet
Axios wrote:Between the lines: Huawei has already spent years investing in telecom infrastructure and hardware in Caribbean nations, including the Bahamas. Large swaths of the Bahamas' wiring has been wiped out and must be restored.

in Foreign aid for the Bahamas could spark a new China threat
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US worried China's Dorian relief effort in Bahamas may be bid to gain influence — and foothold, reports say
Greg NormanBy Greg Norman | Fox News

Death toll expected to rise in the Bahamas following direct hit from Hurricane Dorian; insight from storm chaser Brandon Clement.

Hurricane Dorian's devastation of the Bahamas reportedly has U.S. officials worried China may use the tragedy as a back door to get a foothold in the Caribbean nation, with the Communist country using international aid efforts as a Trojan horse to establish a base of influence just 50 miles from the Florida coast.

Current and former U.S. officials, some speaking anonymously to the media, said this week that the Trump administration currently is focused on helping Bahamians who are struggling in the immediate aftermath of the storm, which struck the islands as a Category 5 and, according to some estimates, caused as much as $7 billion in damage. But in the months and years ahead, officials say, the U.S. must also pay close attention if China emerges as a key player in the recovery effort.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-worrie ... mas-effort

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Post by Sam the Centipede » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:15 am

Western leaders often seem uncomprehending that poorer countries that have been exploited and mistreated by America or Europe might accept, or even welcome, assistance and investment from Russia, China, etc.

They would do well to listen to Muhammad Ali's powerful speech when refusing to fight in Vietnam:
My conscience won't let me go shoot my brother, or some darker people, or some poor hungry people in the mud for big powerful America. And shoot them for what? They never called me DON'T USE THAT WORD, GODDAMMIT, they never lynched me, they didn't put no dogs on me, they didn't rob me of my nationality, rape and kill my mother and father. ... Shoot them for what? How can I shoot them poor people? Just take me to jail.
Big rich countries must make special efforts not to be perceived as bullies. That's always going to be a problem when the top man actually is a bully. People and politicians from other countries can spot false friends.

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Post by Slim Cognito » Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:49 am

Whatever the technicalities or nuances, trump refusing Bahamians protected status after Dorian gives China one helluvan opportunity.
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RTH10260 wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:34 am
Dolly wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:57 pm
Days ago I posted a link to a radio interview with Papa Doug Manchester (after Trump had tweeted about him). I did not listen to the whole thing. But IIIRC, he mentioned China. Something about China installing equipment of some kind in the Bahamas - establishing a base?

Sorry I was half listening while doing other stuff and don't remember more. :oops:

I'm going to bed now but will try to listen again in the morning.. if I remember. :?
maybe this snippet
Axios wrote:Between the lines: Huawei has already spent years investing in telecom infrastructure and hardware in Caribbean nations, including the Bahamas. Large swaths of the Bahamas' wiring has been wiped out and must be restored.

.............................
Thank you. It is a new day, still drinking my 1st cup of coffee and had forgotten all about my post. I will probably not bother listening to the interview. :bighug:
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Post by Orlylicious » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:58 pm

Yay

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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:20 pm

There were no new hurricanes that formed between Aug 29-Sept 14...that hasn’t happened in 25 years.
See - the proof is in the pudding - no global warming :!:

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Post by Jeffrey » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:10 pm

Ain’t all fun and games. Humberto is going to strengthen into a major hurricane soon:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/M ... 2046.shtml?

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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:34 pm

Orlylicious wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:58 pm
Yay

We made up for it with Brees' injury. That's almost as much of a catastrophe.

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Post by Gregg » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:36 pm

Orlylicious wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:44 pm
Good, Prince Charles spoke with the PM.





Tropical Storm 9, now Humberto, is projected to pelt those poor people again, not like Dorian but Florida is still exhausted and we missed Dorian. Prayers to all our friends there.


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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:52 pm

But there's no climate change says the GOP.


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