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Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:42 pm
by Chilidog
Who is behind them?

Personally, I think it's MBS.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:47 pm
by bob
Jimmy Down The Hall. Couldn't take being fired repeatedly.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:52 pm
by Jcolvin2
Chilidog wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:42 pm
Who is behind them?

Personally, I think it's MBS.
Well, the tankers were not dismembered ...

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:56 pm
by Chilidog
Jcolvin2 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:52 pm
Chilidog wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:42 pm
Who is behind them?

Personally, I think it's MBS.
Well, the tankers were not dismembered ...
Note that they were not sunk, either.
This was a symbolic, wag the dog action.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:01 pm
by ZekeB
Pompeo says it's Iran. That's reason enough for me to think it's not Iran.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:03 pm
by Chilidog
Why would Iran attack Japanese ships when the PM of Japan is in Tehran?

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:15 pm
by ZekeB
I don't see a Jared Kushner option.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:29 pm
by woodworker
Three words we should all remember:

"Gulf of Tonkin"

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:08 am
by Chilidog
First they were attacked by "shells.". Then it was "torpedoes."

Now it's "limpet mines."

The story keeps changing.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:04 am
by Notorial Dissent
Maybe it's just me, but to me, if Iran were going to do it, they'd just send one of their big ships out and blow the tankers up. I just don't see them playing around. Iran doesn't make sense.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:18 am
by ZekeB
Notorial Dissent wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:04 am
Maybe it's just me, but to me, if Iran were going to do it, they'd just send one of their big ships out and blow the tankers up. I just don't see them playing around. Iran doesn't make sense.
Iran makes sense when Pompeo wants Iran to be painted as the bad guy, at any cost. Gulf of Tonkin? Yeah, they needed an excuse so they could escalate things over there too.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:23 am
by RTH10260
Chilidog wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:42 pm
Who is behind them?

Personally, I think it's MBS.
essentially a crosspost of my answer to Sterngard in the Iran thread.

one Option missing in the poll.

my 0.02 of whatever currency you chose:

Russia very unlikely, they don't play games in the area, their only interest is selling arms to Iran. Saudi by themselves rather unlikely on their own. Mossad could be involved if Bolton asked them for some action, but I consider this unlikely at the moment. Israel has no established government at the time and Mossad would not risk an attack without political backing.

What nobody here has spoken of is of the Huti rebels from Yemen that are making life difficult for Saudi Arabia. They have obtained some far reaching missiles they shoot into Saudi Arabia, with some hits that hurt. While I would not have considered them to have top notch frogmen they may have gotten some training thru Iran. Considering the latest news that Iranians have recovered an unexploded mine from one of the ships, they may be cleaning up after the Hutis partial success.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:35 am
by Northland10
Bigfoot... somebody has to vote for it, and I am always wrong on polls anyway.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:45 am
by Foggy
My cat Leon. He keeps disappearing and looking guilty when he shows up. :think:

(but I voted with Northland10)

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:49 am
by RTH10260
Foggy wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:45 am
My cat Leon. He keeps disappearing and looking guilty when he shows up. :think:

(but I voted with Northland10)
In which case I would be more concerned of the declining population density of bigfoots :-D

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:34 am
by Estiveo
RTH10260 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:49 am
Foggy wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:45 am
My cat Leon. He keeps disappearing and looking guilty when he shows up. :think:

(but I voted with Northland10)
In which case I would be more concerned of the declining population density of bigfoots :-D
My brother, the Yeti, says their population density is right where they like it, thankyouverymuch.

I, however, support the Eurobot's Yemeni rebel theory.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:51 am
by Volkonski
Tanker owner seems to dispute U.S. account of Gulf of Oman attack

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oil-tanker ... d=69004440
The Japanese owner of the Kokuka Courageous, one of two oil tankers targeted near the Strait of Hormuz, said Friday that sailors on board saw "flying objects" just before it was hit, suggesting the vessel wasn't damaged by mines.

That account contradicts what the U.S. military said as it released a video Friday it said shows Iranian forces removing an unexploded limpet mine from one of the two ships that were hit.

:snippity:

Company president Yutaka Katada said Friday he believes the flying objects seen by the sailors could have been bullets. He denied any possibility of mines or torpedoes because the damage was above the ship's waterline. He called reports of a mine attack "false."

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:31 am
by tek
You can see bullets? In flight?

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:47 am
by Somerset
tek wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:31 am
You can see bullets? In flight?
Sure. Big bullets. Really big bullets. Some might even say missile sized bullets.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:23 am
by Foggy
Nerf bullets.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:28 am
by Dan1100
tek wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:31 am
You can see bullets? In flight?
That seems like a translation error, doesn't it?

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:01 am
by neeneko
RTH10260 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:23 am
Israel has no established government at the time and Mossad would not risk an attack without political backing.
I actually see this as something in favor of it being Israel. New elections, Netanyahu in power but without a full government, a false flag making Iran look more threatening would increase the changes of Netanyahu supporters gaining seats and the guy himself holding onto effective power.
What nobody here has spoken of is of the Huti rebels from Yemen that are making life difficult for Saudi Arabia.
That strikes me as pretty plausible. It would also align with the WH's statements that 'it was Iran', since if they are shown to be wrong they can still claim that Iran aligned rebels are 'close enough' or repaint them as directly controlled proxies.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:37 pm
by woodworker
tek wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:31 am
You can see bullets? In flight?
Tracers: IIRC, many military automatic firing weapons put a tracer shell in every so often, e.g., every 50 rounds, so the gunner can see where he/she is hitting.

Having said that, I don't think that is what is being described in the news reports.

And as to the Iranians recovering a mine, I wouldn't be shocked if it was US made, after all, we supply the Saudis, the UAE, Iraq, some Syrians, Qatar (the home of the largest US base in the Middle East, despite "supporting terrorism" according to the UAE, the Saudis and Jared), Egypt and, of course, Israel. Hell, if I were the Iranians, locate some blueprints for US limpet mines, fire up the machine shop, and bob's your uncle.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:10 am
by fierceredpanda
My question is this: What kind of moron plants a limpet mine above the waterline? The whole point of the things is to punch a hole in the hull such that it fills with water and sinks. This is not rocket science.

Also, the UAE should be an option in the poll. I suppose if they were involved, they would have been joint partners with the Saudis.

Assuming limpet mines were actually used (a rocket or missile attack is still a possibility as far as I know), either the Iranians/their proxies are completely incompetent, or the attack was carried out with the express intent of causing alarm without actually sinking the tankers and causing an environmental catastrophe in the Strait of Hormuz and the Gulf of Oman. And the Saudis and Emirates have just as much interest in escalating regional tensions as the Iranians do. Also, why would the Iranians attack a Japanese ship exactly right when Prime Minister Abe was meeting with the Ayatollah. Again, you have to assume the Iranians are totally inept or completely insane to think that makes sense.

Re: Oil Tankers Attacked in Gulf of Oman

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:55 am
by Kendra
At the start of Meet the Press, they had an update with Richard Engle (sp?) from the region. He says his sources are more to the side of the US position it is Iran. That said, if it is Iran, they're getting frustrated with the sanctions and want to stir the pot, but not to pointedly pick on US targets, hence the Japanese ship.

Will have to find it and listen again, I was only half listening pre-covfefe and breakfast :bag: