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Re: Birther remainders.

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bob wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 6:06 pm
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APUZZO WINS AGAIN!
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Even if, as Apuzzo contends, the framers didn't intend for children born to foreigners to be citizens (a contention I don't accept) that all changed with the 14th Amendment.
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noblepa wrote: Thu May 06, 2021 11:55 am Even if, as Apuzzo contends, the framers didn't intend for children born to foreigners to be citizens (a contention I don't accept) that all changed with the 14th Amendment.
IIRC, Apuzzo does not consider the 14th to be real law for NBC. Only the original Constitution matters (ignore the fact the "original constitution" does not define it). When Ballentine would even go so far as to post quotes from the 14th Amendment debates in Congress showing that they knew exactly what they were doing (as did some rather racist politicians when they asked about Chinese or others becoming president, I think it was from that), Mario would do as he always does, change the subject and win.. He was good at winning this way.

Ballantine was good with the huge trove of facts. Mario, not so much.

Apuzzo contending framers did not intend children of foreigners to be citizens, he has absolutely no proof of that. He is making that up out of his wazoo. Whenever I have pushed birthers on where they specifically said that, they either say that it just makes common sense, or, my favorite, they did not say it out loud because they did not want to upset a new unsettled nation.
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Re: Birther remainders.

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Apuzzo's like a toy with dying batteries, just spewing out his greatest hits.
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I counted at least three birthers who signed the letter.
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Still looking for a single Q supporter who isn't also a #Birther. LMK if you find any. :lol:


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So Phil has resurrected The Right Side of Life ... on Telegram. E.g.:
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AN HONEST ELECTION


1. Deleted databases
2. No chain of custody
3. Nobody knows the admin password
4. Election officials panicking
5. Huge amounts of digitally adjudicated ballots
6. Not allowed to look at the router
7. Router shared with at least 50 other networks
8. Election run by a private vendor
9. A hundred lawyers defending election officials
10. Soros’ Sheriff running interference
11. Ignored subpoenas
12. Missing ballots
13. Hammer and scorecard?
14. Secretary of state taking campaign gifts from foreign countries
15. County voter files hacked then covered up
16. SQL server back door
17. Not allowed to discuss any of this on socialist media.
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The blog of one of the Constitution Association dudes: Beaumont Constitution Class: Natural Born Citizen:
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* * *

Natural Born Citizen is not defined in the Constitution primarily because it was common knowledge. People understood what the term “Natural Born Citizen” meant.

* * *

One of the sources the Founding Fathers used when it came to establishing the definition of “Natural Born Citizen” was Vatell’s “Law of Nations.”

Vatell’s Law of Nations is mentioned once in the Constitution in Article I, Section 8, Clause 10, and it is capitalized - which suggests the mention of the Law of Nations to be a proper noun, thus supporting the argument that it is a direct reference to Vatell’s writings.

* * *

Vetell’s Law of Nations required also that the child be born on American Soil, but if you read further down the section addresses other possibilities. The Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1790 confirmed the definition not requiring the child to be born on American soil, but still requiring that both parents be American citizens at the time of the child’s birth. The section in the Naturalization Act of 1790 I am referring to specifically reads: “And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”

Note that the fifth word, citizens, is in the plural, which means it requires both parents to be citizens at the time of the birth of the child in order for the child to be a “Natural Born Citizen.”
The most famous unknown Framer: Vettell. :roll:

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Mountain Publius Goat, “Law of Nations, 1758 law book defines Natural Born Citizen,” Kerchner (2008) http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliber ... ations.pdf
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(Moving from Laity's thread.)
realist wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 12:44 pm So what, she just didn't waste her time and money to respond?
The Constitution Association dudes literally just mailed the complaint to the White House. That's not effective service on Harris. I don't know the operations of the White House's mail room, so I don't know if the complaint was ever even forwarded to Harris, the DOJ, etc.

But I'm guessing no one is even aware of this lawsuit.

Regardless, yesterday the court set aside the default. I don't know the details because no one has bought the document on PACER yet. But I'm guessing some shipping clerk noticed that throwing paper at the White House doesn't earn you an entry of default.
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Reposted from Laity's thread for completeness.
bob wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 12:18 pm P&E: comment:
Laity wrote:[If SCOTUS denis cert.], prompt refiling for rehearing will ensue. Congress has abrogated its responsibility to check and balance usurpers of the Presidency and Vice-Presidency. The courts have “evaded” the issue long enough. I urge them to take up the task of preserving the integrity of the Presidency and Vice-Presidency. BTW, the U.S.D.C. for the Southern District of California has issued a DEFAULT ruling against Kamala D. Harris in Constitution Association, Inc. v. Kamala Devi Harris, Case # 320*-cv-2379-TWR-BLM, U.S.D.C.-Southern District of California. It is an eligibility case.
Dr. Laity Esquire doesn't know the difference between a clerk's entry of a default and a default ruling (which isn't a thing).

* 3:20, with "20" representing that it was filed in 2020; de minimis.
For completeness, the Acting US Attorney filed an ex parte motion to set aside default (I assume ex parte is because they want to retain they were not served and are not making an appearance).

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 24.6.0.pdf

Seems they believe that sending a certified letter to the White House is not sufficient.

Here is the docket.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18 ... -v-harris/
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northland10 wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 2:10 pm For completeness, the Acting US Attorney filed an ex parte motion to set aside default (I assume ex parte is because they want to retain they were not served and are not making an appearance).

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 24.6.0.pdf

Seems they believe that sending a certified letter to the White House is not sufficient.

Here is the docket.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/18 ... -v-harris/
Thanks! Someone purchased the documents, so they are now publicly available.

Yeah: The DOJ is moving to set aside the entry of default because service was improper. The "ex parte" part is weird, but harmless. ("Specially appearing" would have been more appropriate.)
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Re: Birther remainders.

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bob wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 12:13 pm The blog of one of the Constitutional Association dudes:
Natural Born Citizen is not defined in the Constitution primarily because it was common knowledge. People understood what the term “Natural Born Citizen” meant.

* * *

One of the sources the Founding Fathers used when it came to establishing the definition of “Natural Born Citizen” was Vatell’s “Law of Nations.”

Vatell’s Law of Nations is mentioned once in the Constitution in Article I, Section 8, Clause 10, and it is capitalized - which suggests the mention of the Law of Nations to be a proper noun, thus supporting the argument that it is a direct reference to Vatell’s writings.
Resources:

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Mountain Publius Goat, “Law of Nations, 1758 law book defines Natural Born Citizen,” Kerchner (2008) http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliber ... ations.pdf
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I don't understand why these morons can't understand that Vattel's book is not a legal document.

It has just as much legal force as a book I might write, saying that a Natural Born Citizen is one whose parents were both born on Mars.
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noblepa wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 2:45 pmI don't understand why these morons can't understand that Vattel's book is not a legal document.
If they were smart, they wouldn't be birthers.

It is a backfilled justification; conclusion first, evidence second.
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northland10 wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 2:10 pm Reposted from Laity's thread for completeness.

:snippity:
For completeness, the Acting US Attorney filed an ex parte motion to set aside default (I assume ex parte is because they want to retain they were not served and are not making an appearance).

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 24.6.0.pdf

Seems they believe that sending a certified letter to the White House is not sufficient.
Not even close. The US Attorney sounded somewhat pissed off. The screwball plaintiffs did not even come close to proper service.
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bob wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 12:13 pm The blog of one of the Constitutional Association dudes: Beaumont Constitution Class: Natural Born Citizen:
Marla's Mexican Food
1310 E. 6th Street
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10:00 am
Thursdays

* * *

:snippity:

Vatell’s Law of Nations is mentioned once in the Constitution in Article I, Section 8, Clause 10, and it is capitalized - which suggests the mention of the Law of Nations to be a proper noun, thus supporting the argument that it is a direct reference to Vatell’s writings. (No. Every noun in the Constitution is capitalized. You'd think they would have noticed that.)

* * *

Vetell’s Law of Nations required also that the child be born on American Soil, but if you read further down the section addresses other possibilities. The Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1790 confirmed the definition not requiring the child to be born on American soil, but still requiring that both parents be American citizens at the time of the child’s birth. The section in the Naturalization Act of 1790 I am referring to specifically reads: “And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”

Note that the fifth word, citizens, is in the plural, which means it requires both parents to be citizens at the time of the birth of the child in order for the child to be a “Natural Born Citizen.”
(And yet no court has ever interpreted that sentence that way.)
The most famous unknown Framer: Vettell. :roll:

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Mountain Publius Goat, “Law of Nations, 1758 law book defines Natural Born Citizen,” Kerchner (2008) http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliber ... ations.pdf
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Did anybody ask if there's free Mexican food at Marla's? Might be worth it to go for that :lol:

Rev Dr Laity Esq might want to study these pages from the Ex Parte -- or he can just consider us WILDLY PSYCHIC when he gets bounced again.

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bob wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 2:58 pm If they were smart, they wouldn't be birthers.

It is a backfilled justification; conclusion first, firing squad second, evidence second not really necessary after the firing squad .
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Vetell’s Law of Nations required also that the child be born on American Soil ...
Law of Nations was published in 1758. Guess which country did not even exist at that time?
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Would it be appropriate to change the relatively polite “remainders” in the title to “dregs”?
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Uninformed wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 8:45 am Would it be appropriate to change the relatively polite “remainders” in the title to “dregs”?
Only if the thread owner approves. ;)

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Bad news for Constitution Association guys:
S.D. Cal. wrote:ORDER: (1) Allowing Plaintiffs to Respond to Defendant's Ex Parte Application to Set Aside Default and (2) Requiring Plaintiffs to Show Cause Why The Court Should not Dismiss for Lack of Subject Matter Jurisdiction. The Court Orders Plaintiffs to file any response to the Ex Parte Application no later than 6/3/2021. If Plaintiffs file a response to this Order, Defendant may file a reply no later than seven days after Plaintiffs' response is filed.
The court's longer order cites Drake and Grinols, so they can thank Taitz for their inevitable dismissal. :towel: IIRC, one of them said they had informally consulted Taitz before filing this dreck.

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bob wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 2:55 pm
The court's longer order cites Drake and Grinols, so they can thank Taitz for their inevitable dismissal. :towel: IIRC, one of them said they had informally consulted Taitz before filing this dreck.

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Yes, one of them said that at their "press conference". It was in response to my question regarding how they were going to get past the problems with standing such as Taitz had experienced. He said that had spoken with her.
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As I demonstrated to them and Apuzzo several times back int he day, not only does Vattel wreck their definition of NBC in the second half of the article they clinl onto, he flatly contradicts it 2 articles later, and later on he says flatly that England does not adhere to his definition of citizenship, so anyone versed in English law would not be using it.

Plus, the first translations of Vattel that translated "Naturels" as NBCs didn't come out till the 1800s.

And in any case Obama would have been a Citizen under Vattel as "Perens" means Blood relitives.

No I'm not diging out the actual quote from Vattel as They are not worth the effort.
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I loved "remainders" :cry:
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p0rtia wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 8:20 pm I loved "remainders" :cry:
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