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Post by Welsh Dragon » Mon May 09, 2011 10:25 pm

The prospects for birthers in MO seem to be getting slimmer. The session ends Friday and according to the St Louis Beacon:State Sen. Kevin Engler, R-Farmington, is part of the conference committee. He said that there are about 25 "small bills" tacked on to the primary bill. "We're going to determine to the (Senate) membership here what issues are really going to cause problems and take those off," Engler said. Asked if the birth certificate requirement was a measure that might be removed, Engler said it was "highly unlikely to make it through the process." "I think that's what you would consider controversial," Engler said. "And it may kill (the bill) by not having it on there because we have, I guess, some 'birthers' or whatever." [/break1]stlbeacon.org/voices/blogs/political-blogs/beacon-backroom/110148-missouri-legislators-have-one-week-to-act-on-a-number-of-issues?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+StLouisBeacon+%28St.+Louis+Beacon%29]http://www.stlbeacon.org/voices/blogs/p ... Sen.Engler is the original sponsor of SB282 when it was simply moving the presidential primary.

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Post by Welsh Dragon » Tue May 10, 2011 9:29 am

I have a strong suspicion that SB282 has quietly died. - some of it's provisions (but not it's birtherism) were incorporated into another bill (SB270) late last night. The additions include moving the presidential primary to March which was at the root of SB282. In addition, as I type there are a number of conference committees scheduled for this week but none scheduled for SB282.We may have to wait to the end of the week to be sure

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Post by verbalobe » Tue May 10, 2011 9:54 am

State Sen. Kevin Engler, R-Farmington, is part of the conference committee. He said ... "I think that's what you would consider controversial," Engler said. "And it may kill (the bill) by not having it on there because we have, I guess, some 'birthers' or whatever."I absolutely love this line. "The doctor said I should use this ointment because I have, I guess, some 'cooties' or whatever." :lol:

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Post by Welsh Dragon » Tue May 10, 2011 12:45 pm

I may have spoken too soon - there was a conference committee on SB282 this morning but I've not heard what it's recomending yet..

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Post by Welsh Dragon » Tue May 10, 2011 7:45 pm

This is frustrating - I know that a conference committee substitute for SB 282 has been passed by the Senate but I don;t know what was in it! - I hate the Missouri Legislature Website! ](*,)

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Post by Plutodog » Wed May 11, 2011 12:56 am

Missouri Ballot Access Bill Passes SenateMay 10th, 2011On May 10, the Missouri Senate passed SB 282, an omnibus election law bill. Among other things, it repeals the typographical error that forces groups circulating a petition to qualify the party to list a presidential nominee on the petition (if the group believes it will eventually have a presidential nominee). This bill had passed both houses before, but the two houses had different versions and a conference committee was then held. The conference committee then revised the bill somewhat and that has what has just passed the Senate. If the latest version of the bill passes the House, it will go to the Governor. Thanks to Ken Bush for this news.[/break1]ballot-access.org/2011/05/10/missouri-ballot-access-bill-passes-senate/]http://www.ballot-access.org/2011/05/10 ... es-senate/From the summary: When certifying presidential and vice presidential nominees and requesting that such nominees be placed on the ballot, the state committees of each political party shall provide verifiable evidence of identity and proof of natural born citizenship.Not sure this is accurate up to the moment. Page indicates conference tomorrow.[/break1]senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_Web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&BillID=4150828]http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/BTS_Web ... ID=4150828
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Post by Welsh Dragon » Wed May 11, 2011 6:59 am

That's the frustrating part - that summary is of the house committee substitute not the later conference committee substitute. The reference to it being in conference today is inaccurate - the date on that action will automatically click over until someone stops it.

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Post by Welsh Dragon » Wed May 11, 2011 10:02 am

Another one bites the dust! \ :D / \ :D / \ :D /








‘Birther’ provision removed from election bill


An amendment that would require presidential candidates to present proof of natural born citizenship was trimmed from an omnibus election law reform bill. The amendment was removed, along with several others, by a joint conference committee in hopes that the final bill can pass by the end of the legislative session on Friday. “The more amendments there are, the more likely it is to get hung up in the Senate,” said Sen. Kevin Engler, R-Farmington, who led the conference committee. Among major changes still contained in the bill are measures that would move Missouri’s presidential primary back a month to March and delete two local election days from the state’s calendar. The revised bill was approved by the Senate but still awaits a vote in the House. – TLS (MNH News Nut posted 9:47 p.m. from JEFFERSON CITY, Mo.)

http://missouri-news.org/briefs/birther ... tion-bill/





I'll be happier when I see the actual text though. BTW deleting two local election days is a hot topic in the MO leislature - much more so than birfing!

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Post by Welsh Dragon » Mon May 16, 2011 7:59 am

The final text of SB282 has still not surfaced but a revised official summary of the bill can be found on page 169 of :[/break1]mo.gov/pr/tafpsummaries2011.pdf]http://house.mo.gov/pr/tafpsummaries2011.pdfThis confirms the absence of any birfing aspects.

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Post by SueDB » Mon May 16, 2011 9:33 am

The final text of SB282 has still not surfaced but a revised official summary of the bill can be found on page 169 of :[/break1]mo.gov/pr/tafpsummaries2011.pdf]http://house.mo.gov/pr/tafpsummaries2011.pdfThis confirms the absence of any birfing aspects.Then what is the point?
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Post by Welsh Dragon » Thu May 19, 2011 12:32 pm

Just to round this one off, SB282 as finally passed is at:[/break1]senate.mo.gov/11info/pdf-bill/tat/SB282.pdf]http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/pdf-bil ... B282.pdfNo birfing to see here folks - move along there.

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Post by esseff44 » Thu May 19, 2011 12:45 pm

Just to round this one off, SB282 as finally passed is at:[/break1]senate.mo.gov/11info/pdf-bill/tat/SB282.pdf]http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/pdf-bil ... B282.pdfNo birfing to see here folks - move along there.Do we have an updated scorecard on the birfing legislation? Has any real birfing bill been signed into law?

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Post by Welsh Dragon » Thu May 19, 2011 1:04 pm

The scorecard [/break1]scribd.com/doc/48031378/Birther-Bills]here is up to date as of yesterday morning.No bill has become law without being gutted of its birfing content. (One last year in NH and MO's SB282).

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Post by esseff44 » Thu May 19, 2011 1:15 pm

The scorecard [/break1]scribd.com/doc/48031378/Birther-Bills]here is up to date as of yesterday morning.No bill has become law without being gutted of its birfing content. (One last year in NH and MO's SB282).That would make a great headline somewhere. It always makes the news when these bills are proposed, but not so much when they bite the dust or get gutted of birfer nonsense. Thank you for your work on this.

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Post by Joseph Robidoux III » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:10 am

FWIW Gov Jay Nixon [link]vetoed,http://kwmu.drupal.publicbroadcasting.n ... toes-seven[/link] SB 282 even after all the birfer bullshit ideas were eliminated in conference.

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Post by realist » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:12 am

FWIW Gov Jay Nixon [link]vetoed,http://kwmu.drupal.publicbroadcasting.n ... toes-seven[/link] SB 282 even after all the birfer bullshit ideas were eliminated in conference. :-bd
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Post by Welsh Dragon » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:36 am

Well that mucks the primary schedule up!

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Post by Joseph Robidoux III » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:51 am

Well that mucks the primary schedule up!The Gov of Missouri is only allowed to use his line item veto authority on budget/appropriation bills. This bill wouldn't qualify under that requirement.In a letter explaining his veto, Nixon said his objections were to the portions dealing with local elections and the filling of vacancies in statewide elected offices. The governor said he supported pushing back the presidential primary, which is needed for Missouri to comply with rules set by the national Democratic and Republican parties. However, a veto affects the entire bill, so the presidential primary portion was tossed out too.[/break1]newstribune.com/news/2011/jul/09/nixon-oks-concealed-gun-bill-vetoes-election-bill/]http://www.newstribune.com/news/2011/ju ... tion-bill/

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Post by Joseph Robidoux III » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:52 pm

I thought some here might be interested in a July 11 editorial The Kansas City Star published about state Sen Rob Schaaf (owner of a medical malpractice insurance firm) and his ethics (or lack thereof).





A good-government optimist could hope Schaaf was hurrying to inform his Senate leader of his direct financial interest in the bill and to make sure he wasn’t assigned to play a role in its progress.





But that’s not what happened. (Senate Leader Rob) Mayer assigned the bill to a committee where the outspoken Schaaf is vice chairman. The malpractice insurance reforms never even got discussed.


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Common sense goes a long way, though. Mayer should have steered the malpractice insurance bill away from Schaaf, who should have insisted on it.





That neither did the right thing speaks volumes about business as usual, Jefferson City style.[/break1]kansascity.com/2011/07/11/3007993/the-stars-editorial-ethical-slip.html]http://www.kansascity.com/2011/07/11/30 ... -slip.html





Yes, he is my state senator. No, I didn't vote for him.

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Post by Foggy » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:24 pm

Kimba! :-bd =D> =D> =D> :-bd
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Post by Joseph Robidoux III » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:35 pm

Well that mucks the primary schedule up!Although the schedule is still mucked up, the Missouri legislature may have come up with a proposal that can solve the problem. Cancel the presidential primary election and use a caucus system in its place. Each political party would pay its own costs under the caucus system as opposed to the state paying for an election. Each party is also allowed to pick whatever date they prefer.In 2004, the last year when only one party held a competitive presidential primary, around 543,000 people voted, at a cost to the state of $4 million. In 2008, when both parties fielded large slates of candidates, around 1.4 million people cast ballots, costing more than $7 million.Eliminating the primary will likely force the Democrats to a caucus system as well. But the impact is limited, since President Barack Obama is not expected to face a primary challenger.[/break1]stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/political-fix/article_527edc72-f459-11e0-8071-001a4bcf6878.html]http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... f6878.htmlWe could have an answer by next week. But then, it's so damned simple it may take until next month.

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Post by Joseph Robidoux III » Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:10 am

We could have an answer by next week. But then, it's so damned simple it may take until next month.It's next week already and we still don't have an answer. Big surprise.The state Senate deadlocked 16-16 over an attempt to cancel the primary after state Republicans decided they'd use a caucus process starting in March rather than the primary to choose delegates for next summer's national convention in Tampa.[/break1]kansascity.com/2011/10/17/3213474/missouri-senate-deadlocks-over.html]http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/17/32 ... -over.htmlThe Missouri Senate consists of 26 Republicans and 8 Democrats. The 16 Yea votes on SS for HCS for HB3 (page 7 on the first senate link) were all Republican. The 16 Nay votes were 8 Republican and 8 Democratic. Two Republican Senators were absent with leave.[/break1]senate.mo.gov/11info/Journals/SDay14101785-93.pdf#toolbar=1]http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/Journal ... #toolbar=1[/break1]senate.mo.gov/11info/senalpha.htm]http://www.senate.mo.gov/11info/senalpha.htmMissouri Democrats have missed the boat on this one. Primary elections tend to favor the well financed candidates. Caucuses tend to favor those candidates with the gung-ho followers. It's not an accident that Pat Robertson did well in caucus states and poorly in primary election states when he ran for President in 1988. A caucus could give some nut like Michele Bachman or Ron Paul a win.

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Post by Joseph Robidoux III » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:59 pm

It's next week already and we still don't have an answer. Big surprise.We finally have an answer. They're not going to do a damn thing, except go home.Missouri's special legislative session on economic development ended quietly today with no economic bill, thanks to a deadlock over subsidies for developers.Senate Republican leaders Rob Mayer and Tom Dempsey administered the last rites to the seven-week-long session. They were the only senators in the chamber at noon when the Senate passed a motion to adjourn sine die, which means adjourning without setting a date to reassemble.[/break1]stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/political-fix/article_3fc6956e-ff23-11e0-9d21-0019bb30f31a.html]http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... 0f31a.htmlBig surprise.

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Post by mimi » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:27 pm

I guess this needs a new topic. Is it 2012?The Missouri legislature started pre-filing some of the legisation they're expected to consider come January 4, 2012. If you're so inclined, you can head here for the House or here for the Senate for full lists of what's been filed so far.If you take the time to mosey on through the list of what's been filed in the House, you'll find this gem, HB 1046, filed by Lyle Rowland of the 143rd district in Southwest Missouri.HOUSE BILL NO. 1046 96TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY Requires proof of identity and proof of United States citizenship for the office of President and Vice President to be submitted with the other required certification documents to the Secretary of State Such certification shall provide verifiable evidence of identity and of proof of status as a natural born citizen of the United States for each nominee and the origins of such evidence. Such evidence shall be in the form of the most complete record of birth available by the controlling legal authority at the time of the nominee's birth.more...[/break1]firedupmissouri.com/content/birtherism-alive-and-well-missouri-legislature]http://www.firedupmissouri.com/content/ ... egislatureSounds like Obama's COLB is all that's required.

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