Spring forward.
To delete this message, click the X at top right.

2020 Election Lawsuits

Let's get back to normalcy. Does normalcy fit into your schedule?
User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 11587
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:06 am
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired mechanical engineer
Verified:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#26

Post by Volkonski »

“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 11587
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:06 am
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired mechanical engineer
Verified:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#27

Post by Volkonski »

“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 11587
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:06 am
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired mechanical engineer
Verified:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#28

Post by Volkonski »

“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 11587
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:06 am
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired mechanical engineer
Verified:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#29

Post by Volkonski »

“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
Reddog
Posts: 349
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:29 pm

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#30

Post by Reddog »

:confuzzled:
IANAL What is “MDPE”? I can’t find anything other than “Medium Density Polyurethane. I figured it’s probably something only IAALs would learn, and not need explanation outside of legal documents (like PHV?)
Also why is this filing so intent on replacing “Democratic” with “Democrat” except where it’s quoted, e.g. defendant #26. Democrat National Service Corp (sic DNC Services Corp) dba Democratic National Committee. It doesn’t even seem consistent on the same sentence. Then p. 17 replaces the dba name with “Democrat National Committee”.

I realize that’s a common, supposedly clever/subtle, way to needle progressives. Does this have a place in official filings?
User avatar
bob
Posts: 5382
Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:07 am

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#31

Post by bob »

Reddog wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:05 pm :confuzzled:
IANAL What is “MDPE”?
I'm guessing it means multi-defendant political enterprise. But Davis is just making it up as he goes. The preferred style would be "This third enterprise is a multi-defendant political enterprise (“MDPE”) ....", to show both the full term and its acronym.
I realize that’s a common, supposedly clever/subtle, way to needle progressives. Does this have a place in official filings?
Just as much as "Gondor has no king" does.

In other words, rhetoric is a tool. Use it to your advantage, and don't attempt to use it when it gives your opponents an opportunity to mock you.
Image ImageImage
Reddog
Posts: 349
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:29 pm

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#32

Post by Reddog »

Great, thanks Bob. Makes sense.
User avatar
sugar magnolia
Posts: 3226
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:54 pm

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#33

Post by sugar magnolia »

I had to look 3 times to see that didn't say "mope" which would be a perfectly acceptable word to apply to the lawyer.
User avatar
northland10
Posts: 5596
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:47 pm
Location: Northeast Illinois
Occupation: Organist/Choir Director/Fundraising Data Analyst
Verified: ✅ I'm me.

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#34

Post by northland10 »

I assume this is on Dunford's stuff tonight but, I had to point out.
1. Plaintiffs’ Second Amended1 Complaint (Doc. 145) (the “Complaint” or the “Second Amended Complaint”) moots the issues raised by the Ohio Defendants in their Motion to Dismiss.
Yes, right off the bat, a footnote (he is making Vidurke seem footnote adverse). What does it say?
1 The Second Amended Complaint was amended “as matter of course” because Plaintiffs never served their Original Complaint on any Defendants but only served the First Amended Complaint. Therefore, Plaintiffs are amending their complaint by right pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 15(a)(1)(B), once within 21 days after service of a
motion under Rule 12.
Is this a thing? He did not serve the defendants on the original complaint so really, his first amended complaint is actually like an original complaint so he can now amend it.
101010 :towel:
User avatar
northland10
Posts: 5596
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:47 pm
Location: Northeast Illinois
Occupation: Organist/Choir Director/Fundraising Data Analyst
Verified: ✅ I'm me.

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#35

Post by northland10 »

Oh goody, another footnote.
2 All capitalized terms not defined herein shall have the meaning ascribed to them in the Complaint
101010 :towel:
gshevlin2
Posts: 60
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:32 am

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#36

Post by gshevlin2 »

I just watched most of Mike's Twitch expose (demolition) of the responses in in re Gondor.
I fear for the future of Mike's hat. It was punished a lot this evening. "fuckaduck" did a lot of heavy lifting. As did sentences beginning with "Paul, you moron" or similar.
But I learned a lot of lawyering stuff. This is really good.
It's all performative nonsense twaddle with a filing fee attached. The audience is not the legal system, it is designed to impress the cult followers.
User avatar
northland10
Posts: 5596
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:47 pm
Location: Northeast Illinois
Occupation: Organist/Choir Director/Fundraising Data Analyst
Verified: ✅ I'm me.

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#37

Post by northland10 »

gshevlin2 wrote: Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:16 pm I just watched most of Mike's Twitch expose (demolition) of the responses in in re Gondor.
I fear for the future of Mike's hat. It was punished a lot this evening. "fuckaduck" did a lot of heavy lifting. As did sentences beginning with "Paul, you moron" or similar.
But I learned a lot of lawyering stuff. This is really good.
It's all performative nonsense twaddle with a filing fee attached. The audience is not the legal system, it is designed to impress the cult followers.
"Fuckaduck" isn't a legal term? I just learned something new.
101010 :towel:
User avatar
noblepa
Posts: 2403
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:55 pm
Location: Bay Village, Ohio
Occupation: Retired IT Nerd

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#38

Post by noblepa »

Millions of people (about 83,000,000) conspired to prevent Donald Trump from being re-elected.

Its called "an election".

I realize that a conspiracy charge can be brought against someone, even if they don't commit a crime, but doesn't the conspiracy have to the planning to commit a crime. Planning to prevent DJT from be re-elected is not a crime. It is a Constitutional Right.
User avatar
northland10
Posts: 5596
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:47 pm
Location: Northeast Illinois
Occupation: Organist/Choir Director/Fundraising Data Analyst
Verified: ✅ I'm me.

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#39

Post by northland10 »

noblepa wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:45 pm Millions of people (about 83,000,000) conspired to prevent Donald Trump from being re-elected.

Its called "an election".

I realize that a conspiracy charge can be brought against someone, even if they don't commit a crime, but doesn't the conspiracy have to the planning to commit a crime. Planning to prevent DJT from be re-elected is not a crime. It is a Constitutional Right.
I shall try to use the Plaintiff's argument in the goofball v MLB case as an example to show how you are wrong. People campaigning against Trump is considered intimidation as we are using intimidating tactics to force him to not pass his new big, beautiful laws/EOs. Because we will not vote for him if he signs these, we are forcing him to do what we want or risk not being reelected. This is depriving others of their civil rights to have his new laws and EOs. This won't apply to Biden because his laws are bad. It only applies to good laws.

I really wish I could say that I seriously exaggerated their argument.
101010 :towel:
gshevlin2
Posts: 60
Joined: Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:32 am

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#40

Post by gshevlin2 »

noblepa wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:45 pm Millions of people (about 83,000,000) conspired to prevent Donald Trump from being re-elected.

Its called "an election".

I realize that a conspiracy charge can be brought against someone, even if they don't commit a crime, but doesn't the conspiracy have to the planning to commit a crime. Planning to prevent DJT from be re-elected is not a crime. It is a Constitutional Right.
NO! NO! NO!
You have now given them a New Idea. They will sue all of the electors who voted for Biden!
User avatar
Luke
Posts: 5587
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:21 pm
Location: @orly_licious With Pete Buttigieg and the other "open and defiant homosexuals" --Bryan Fischer AFA

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#41

Post by Luke »

This is unbelievable. We talk about how close we came to disaster, but this is just just.

Arizona was one of six states where Trump wanted the Justice Department to ask the Supreme Court to order a new presidential election
Trump wanted Supreme Court to order new election in Arizona, other states
Documents obtained by the U.S. House Oversight Committee showed that former President Donald Trump wanted his Justice Department to ask the U.S. Supreme Court to order a half dozen states, including...
azmirror.com



Here's the horrible plan. The staffer sends this to DOJ officials with "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!"

Fu*k you, Molly A. Michael. May your name live in infamy and disgrace.


Here's the "proposed filing". Was so disgusted didn't get past page 7 yet.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... filing.pdf


***

To cleanse after that, if you've never seen this Biography on the Rat Pack, it's terrific. Lots of interesting details and history.

A&E Biography: The Rat Pack - Parts 1 & 2 (1999)


Lt Root Beer of the Mighty 699th. Fogbow 💙s titular Mama June in Fogbow's Favourite Show™ Mama June: From Not To Hot! Fogbow's Theme Song™ Edith Massey's "I Got The Evidence!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5jDHZd0JAg
User avatar
RTH10260
Posts: 14349
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:16 am
Location: Switzerland, near the Alps
Verified: ✔️ Eurobot

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#42

Post by RTH10260 »

Question: does SCOTUS even have the power to order a repetition of a presidential election for a single state ? If yes what is the basis and what prerequisites would be necessary?
azmirror wrote:ask the U.S. Supreme Court to order a half dozen states, including Arizona, to hold new presidential elections and to bar them from casting their electoral votes for President-elect Joe Biden.
How would SCOTUS be able to bar voters from their presidential choice? Perhaphs just by ordering not to list Biden as candidate? This past impotus is well past his best-before date.
:brickwallsmall: :brickwallsmall: :brickwallsmall:

azmirror wrote:The proposed complaint, which was never filed by the Department of Justice,
:doh: essentially what the Kraken Team filed in several courts and lost all over the place.



PS. best to read the full article at
Trump wanted Supreme Court to order new election in Arizona, other states
By Jeremy Duda -June 15, 2021

Last Updated: June 15, 2021 5:12 pm


https://www.azmirror.com/2021/06/15/tru ... er-states/
User avatar
Tiredretiredlawyer
Posts: 7541
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:07 pm
Location: Rescue Pets Land
Occupation: 21st Century Suffragist
Verified: ✅🐴🐎🦄🌻5000 posts and counting

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#43

Post by Tiredretiredlawyer »

NO! NO! NO! You have now given them a New Idea. They will sue all of the electors who voted for Biden!
My thoughts exactly, gshevlin2.
"Mickey Mouse and I grew up together." - Ruthie Tompson, Disney animation checker and scene planner and one of the first women to become a member of the International Photographers Union in 1952.
User avatar
bob
Posts: 5382
Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:07 am

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#44

Post by bob »

RTH10260 wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:04 am Question: does SCOTUS even have the power to order a repetition of a presidential election for a single state ? If yes what is the basis and what prerequisites would be necessary?
Look to Bush v. Gore: the key would be to find a violation of the federal due process clause.

But even then, the likely remedy would be to enjoin certification. Voting on a day other than on the authorized voting day would also be challenged.
Image ImageImage
User avatar
Slim Cognito
Posts: 6552
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:15 am
Location: Too close to trump
Occupation: Hats. I do hats.
Verified:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#45

Post by Slim Cognito »

orlylicious wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:21 am This is unbelievable. We talk about how close we came to disaster, but this is just just.

Arizona was one of six states where Trump wanted the Justice Department to ask the Supreme Court to order a new presidential election
Trump wanted Supreme Court to order new election in Arizona, other states
Documents obtained by the U.S. House Oversight Committee showed that former President Donald Trump wanted his Justice Department to ask the U.S. Supreme Court to order a half dozen states, including...
azmirror.com
....
To cleanse after that, if you've never seen this Biography on the Rat Pack, it's terrific. Lots of interesting details and history.

A&E Biography: The Rat Pack - Parts 1 & 2 (1999)



1. :sick:

2. The ONLY Oceans 11 is the Rat Pack Oceans 11. Fight me.
Pup Dennis in training to be a guide dog & given to a deserving vet. Thx! ImageImageImage x4
User avatar
Tiredretiredlawyer
Posts: 7541
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:07 pm
Location: Rescue Pets Land
Occupation: 21st Century Suffragist
Verified: ✅🐴🐎🦄🌻5000 posts and counting

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#46

Post by Tiredretiredlawyer »

I love the George Clooney/ Brad Pitt Oceans 11. I tried watching the original Rat Pack Ocean's 11 but my 1960's mindset is long gone and I couldn't finish it. It wasn't as complex as the newest one and I got bored. Not fighting Slim, just saying.... :biggrin:
"Mickey Mouse and I grew up together." - Ruthie Tompson, Disney animation checker and scene planner and one of the first women to become a member of the International Photographers Union in 1952.
User avatar
Slim Cognito
Posts: 6552
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:15 am
Location: Too close to trump
Occupation: Hats. I do hats.
Verified:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#47

Post by Slim Cognito »

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:37 pm I love the George Clooney/ Brad Pitt Oceans 11. I tried watching the original Rat Pack Ocean's 11 but my 1960's mindset is long gone and I couldn't finish it. It wasn't as complex as the newest one and I got bored. Not fighting Slim, just saying.... :biggrin:
I think that's the reason I liked the original. To me it was more believable. The high tech, all the casinos share one vault plot made me shake my head.

Plus, the credits at the end of the original, as they all dejectedly walked past The Sands...Classic!
► Show Spoiler

Off Topic
There's a great story about Sinatra and the group telling Sands management they'd better let Davis stay at the resort with them or they'd all walk. They let Davis stay, the first Black American to stay on The Strip.
/thread jack
Pup Dennis in training to be a guide dog & given to a deserving vet. Thx! ImageImageImage x4
User avatar
Tiredretiredlawyer
Posts: 7541
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:07 pm
Location: Rescue Pets Land
Occupation: 21st Century Suffragist
Verified: ✅🐴🐎🦄🌻5000 posts and counting

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#48

Post by Tiredretiredlawyer »

Good for the Rat Pack standing up for Sammy Davis, Jr.!
"Mickey Mouse and I grew up together." - Ruthie Tompson, Disney animation checker and scene planner and one of the first women to become a member of the International Photographers Union in 1952.
User avatar
raison de arizona
Posts: 17654
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:21 am
Location: Nothing, Arizona
Occupation: bit twiddler
Verified: ✔️ he/him/his

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#49

Post by raison de arizona »

AZ Attorney General
“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” —John Adams
User avatar
Frater I*I
Posts: 3210
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:52 am
Location: City of Dis, Seventh Circle of Hell
Occupation: Certificated A&P Mechanic
Verified: ✅Verified Devilish Hyena
Contact:

Re: 2020 Election Lawsuits

#50

Post by Frater I*I »

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:37 pm I love the George Clooney/ Brad Pitt Oceans 11. I tried watching the original Rat Pack Ocean's 11 but my 1960's mindset is long gone and I couldn't finish it. It wasn't as complex as the newest one and I got bored. Not fighting Slim, just saying.... :biggrin:
Everybody loves the Cloontang....
"He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see, He tries to tell me what I put inside of me
He's got the answers to ease my curiosity, He dreamed a god up and called it Christianity"

Trent Reznor
Post Reply

Return to “Biden Administration”