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This is worrying. :?

Glock pistol disguised as toy Nerf gun seized in North Carolina drug raid

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 790036001/

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The Glock model 19 pistol with a 50-round drum magazine was painted blue and orange and had a Nerf logo similar to the toys made by Hasbro that fire foam darts, discs or balls.

The Catawba County Sheriff's office said in a Facebook post that while guns are routinely seized during searches involving narcotics, "firearms of this type, while not illegal to possess, are concerning to law enforcement."

Narcotics investigators with the Catawba County Sheriff’s Office, Hickory Police Department and the Newton Police Department executed the search warrant at a residence. Investigators seized 20 guns, quantities of cocaine, psilocybin mushrooms, marijuana and $2,300 in cash.

:snippity:

Actual toy guns have been an issue with police in the past. In January, police in Lakewood, Colorado, held a woman and her boyfriend at gunpoint after a dispatcher received false information that someone in the couple’s car had threatened a Walmart employee with a gun.
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HR 8 and HR 1446 will make more honest people into criminals, though, with no noticeable change in the rate of shootings.

That's really scary.
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John Thomas8 wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:28 pm HR 8 and HR 1446 will make more honest people into criminals, though, with no noticeable change in the rate of shootings.

That's really scary.
ok.. how so?

HR 8 introduces background checks to (some) private transfers.. who is transfering firearms to people who would fail a background check?
HR 1446 increases the 'oh well it took so long so you pass your background check' limit.. what honest people are turned into criminals by having to wait for a background check to actually complete?
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neeneko wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:08 pm
John Thomas8 wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:28 pm HR 8 and HR 1446 will make more honest people into criminals, though, with no noticeable change in the rate of shootings.

That's really scary.
ok.. how so?

HR 8 introduces background checks to (some) private transfers.. who is transfering firearms to people who would fail a background check?
HR 1446 increases the 'oh well it took so long so you pass your background check' limit.. what honest people are turned into criminals by having to wait for a background check to actually complete?
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Yeah, not gonna take an analysis about a gun control law seriously from a guy standing in front of a wall of guns. He might just as well have been standing in front of a sign that says he's not going to agree with anything anyone proposes and he'll spend 11 minutes telling you why.

Next up, a 15 minute video of Lauren Boebert telling you why this is a bad law.
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And a bit more about his background, which might have some impact on his motives and opinions.
Matthew Larosiere is a legal associate in the Cato Institute’s Center for Constitutional Studies. Prior to joining Cato, he wrote on the subject of firearms and taxation in several publications. Matthew graduated cum laude from the University of Alabama with a J.D. and Master of Laws in Taxation. During law school, he served as the president of the Federalist Society, the ethics opinion editor of the Journal of the Legal Profession, mediator for the Alabama Family Law clinic, and as an officer of several other student organizations. Matthew holds a B.S. in business management and entrepreneurship from the University of Central Florida.
Matthew Larosiere is Director of Legal Policy for the Firearms Policy Coalition.
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sugar magnolia wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:23 pm And a bit more about his background, which might have some impact on his motives and opinions.
Matthew Larosiere is a legal associate in the Cato Institute’s Center for Constitutional Studies. Prior to joining Cato, he wrote on the subject of firearms and taxation in several publications. Matthew graduated cum laude from the University of Alabama with a J.D. and Master of Laws in Taxation. During law school, he served as the president of the Federalist Society, the ethics opinion editor of the Journal of the Legal Profession, mediator for the Alabama Family Law clinic, and as an officer of several other student organizations. Matthew holds a B.S. in business management and entrepreneurship from the University of Central Florida.
Matthew Larosiere is Director of Legal Policy for the Firearms Policy Coalition.
Oooh 'orrible, somebody cares about the rights of gun owners.

Sigh, the scary ggggguuuuunnnnns make smart people stupid.
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John Thomas8 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:12 pm
Oooh 'orrible, somebody cares about the rights of gun owners.

Sigh, the scary ggggguuuuunnnnns make smart people stupid.
You have definitely proven that guns make otherwise decent people otherwise.
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No fair piling on johnthomas. :fingerwag: He is NOT an ammosexual, he’s one of the good guys. Reasonable gun owners are rare enough these days.

Please be kind.
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There are more than a few of us here who own guns, and I don't think any of us qualify as gun humpers.
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He so eloquently made his point that one cannot help but give him all the credit that he is due for such a comment.
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John Thomas8 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:12 pm
sugar magnolia wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:23 pm And a bit more about his background, which might have some impact on his motives and opinions.
Matthew Larosiere is a legal associate in the Cato Institute’s Center for Constitutional Studies. Prior to joining Cato, he wrote on the subject of firearms and taxation in several publications. Matthew graduated cum laude from the University of Alabama with a J.D. and Master of Laws in Taxation. During law school, he served as the president of the Federalist Society, the ethics opinion editor of the Journal of the Legal Profession, mediator for the Alabama Family Law clinic, and as an officer of several other student organizations. Matthew holds a B.S. in business management and entrepreneurship from the University of Central Florida.
Matthew Larosiere is Director of Legal Policy for the Firearms Policy Coalition.
Oooh 'orrible, somebody cares about the rights of gun owners.

Sigh, the scary ggggguuuuunnnnns make smart people stupid.
So the Federalist Society is bad, until it's not?

And I am a gun(s) owner and care about rights. I'm just not willing to torture the language of the laws to preserve them.
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It’s not to late to regulate the militia.

Those who choose not to be well regulated would have no right to bear arms, but private ownership would be subject to sane legislation that included governing when they can be in public and for what purpose.
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I cannot understand why any reasonable person would object to reasonable gun regulations and bans on semi-automatic weapons and limits on open carry and large capacity magazines and bullet piercing ammunition and background checks on all gun purchases and transfers.
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Patagoniagirl wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:05 pm I cannot understand why any reasonable person would object to reasonable gun regulations and bans on semi-automatic weapons and limits on open carry and large capacity magazines and bullet piercing ammunition and background checks on all gun purchases and transfers.
I don't understand it either, but I accept that it is so.

That said, something around 80 percent of American citizens favor reasonable gun regulations, bans, limits on magazines, and background checks.

What's stopping it is the Republicans in Congress.

I'll tell you what I don't understand: How LE and FBI et al, and every damned news person on the TV today, can ask "why this happened" with a straight face. Yeah right. They all know it happened because The Republicans in Congress have blocked reasonable gun regulations, that's why.

We have no choice about there always being nut jobs amongst us. We have a choice about whether or not to arm them with WMD. Most people are against it. But we are owned in the country by the right, and the media in large part accepts their norm.

Which sickens me as much as does the shooting news.
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p0rtia wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:14 pm
Patagoniagirl wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 1:05 pm I cannot understand why any reasonable person would object to reasonable gun regulations and bans on semi-automatic weapons and limits on open carry and large capacity magazines and bullet piercing ammunition and background checks on all gun purchases and transfers.
I don't understand it either, but I accept that it is so.

That said, something around 80 percent of American citizens favor reasonable gun regulations, bans, limits on magazines, and background checks.

What's stopping it is the Republicans in Congress.

I'll tell you what I don't understand: How LE and FBI et al, and every damned news person on the TV today, can ask "why this happened" with a straight face. Yeah right. They all know it happened because The Republicans in Congress have blocked reasonable gun regulations, that's why.

We have no choice about there always being nut jobs amongst us. We have a choice about whether or not to arm them with WMD. Most people are against it. But we are owned in the country by the right, and the media in large part accepts their norm.

Which sickens me as much as does the shooting news.
True, true. I hear the echo-chamber response...laws don’t stop criminals! Uhhhh, well, why have laws at all then? Drunk driving, shitting in the sidewalk, speed limits, child porn, stealing, beating your wife, setting fire to a school. This is the most ridiculous argument ever. Delve into the “slippery slipe@ discussion and it’s even more hairy and distasteful.
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Excellent analogy, Sen. Kennedy.

Let's have licensing, registration, and insurance requirements for firearms like we do for cars.
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Gun in supermarket shooting bought 6 days earlier

https://apnews.com/article/colorado-sup ... _medium=AP
The affidavit also said employees of the supermarket told investigators that the suspect identified by police as Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa, 21, shot an elderly man multiple times outside the store before going inside.

Another person was found shot and in a vehicle next to a car registered to suspect’s brother, the affidavit said.

Multiple 911 calls paint a picture of a chaotic, terrifying scene, according to the affidavit.

One said the suspect had opened fire out the window of his vehicle. Others called to say they were hiding inside the grocery store as the suspect opened fire on customers.
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Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) cites the Kenosha protests as an example of guns helping protect Americans.

(Kyle Rittenhouse shot and killed two protesters with a rifle at these protests.)
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:crazy:
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Ok, let's use cars as an analogy.

Car deaths have reduced by almost 80% in the last 50 years, because lawmakers passed laws to make us safer.

The Senate hasn't passed a major gun safety law in 27 years and gun violence is at a record high. It's time to act.
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Just give up. :mad:

Top Wisconsin Republican says arresting perpetrators is likely the only thing that can be done in response to mass shootings

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/pol ... 971511002/
The leader of the Wisconsin Assembly said Tuesday there is little the state can do about mass shootings other than arrest the perpetrators after they commit their crimes.

Republican Assembly Speaker Robin Vos of Rochester made his comment after a string of shootings around the country, including ones that killed two in Oconomowoc, eight in Atlanta and 10 in Boulder.

Democrats disputed his contention, saying legislation to expand background checks would help stem gun violence. They called for action after the killings.

But Vos said he did not see a reason to require background checks for all gun purchases because checks are already required for most of them.
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What exactly does a background check do given how badly it has been implemented.
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John Thomas8 wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 6:46 pm What exactly does a background check do given how badly it has been implemented.
Perhaps then it needs to be better implemented.

That would require a nation wide approach with uniform reporting and implementation.

Perhaps what is needed is for the next 2 years a complete ban on firearms in public places.
(only exception is LEO and transportation in locked gun safes)

That might, just might, get people to think twice about why they are carrying killing devises about.

It won't impact on people having firearms in/on private property, so there will still be a stupid number of suicides, assault, murder and criminal negligent shootings.. but it may, just may.. break into the mindset that "it is my RIGHT to put others at deadly risk".
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For those who haven’t seen it this is Jim Wright’s ideas for initial gun control legislation:
http://www.stonekettle.com/2015/06/bang ... anity.html
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