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@FierceRedPand

As I noted with "Uninformed" previously, in a similar vein, your statement "The financial problems you describe are basically the same ones faced by every post-colonial nation that has ever existed." is not even a vague parallel to this situation.

Scotland is not a "post colonial nation" any more than and in fact many times less than so describing Hawai'i, an independent nation that was overthrown by US commercial interests as a preliminary to the US government forcibly annexing the nation in 1898.

Scotland is and has been a peacefully and legitimately integrated part of the United Kingdom since the Act of Union in 1707, spurred in no small part by Scotland’s need for economic security and material assistance. Same passport, same currency, same history, same access.

For over 300 years the Scots have been living economically beyond their means, supported by the horrid English and very comfortable with that, thank you very much, until the early/late 60's when the first SNP MP was elected.

Every single, solitary element of public life from healthcare to power distribution, to banking, defence and sanitation is integrated with and bound as a singular system with the rest of the UK.

Yes, Scotland can try and go it's own way, the separation however has inherent and massively complex ramifications far in excess of the deliberately obscured purblind ignorance spewed by the politicians pushing this separation. The romantic, make believe history pushed by the likes of the SNP as some justification for the split is no substitution for planning to manage the cold, hard economic reality of what will happen to the people of Scotland if this occurs.
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One hopes that the Scottish people will listen, research, and reflect before coming to any decision (and I tend to think this will be the case).
Notwithstanding the obvious financial, and other negative, consequences it is possible that they will vote for separation. Brexit is an example of “emotion” overcoming logical thought. In the USA, the election of the DFO and the widespread belief that the 2020 presidential election was “stolen” are two things I, as a foreigner, find almost too incredible to believe but they are true.
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Mr brolin wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 4:22 pm @FierceRedPand

As I noted with "Uninformed" previously, in a similar vein, your statement "The financial problems you describe are basically the same ones faced by every post-colonial nation that has ever existed." is not even a vague parallel to this situation.

Scotland is not a "post colonial nation" any more than and in fact many times less than so describing Hawai'i, an independent nation that was overthrown by US commercial interests as a preliminary to the US government forcibly annexing the nation in 1898.

Scotland is and has been a peacefully and legitimately integrated part of the United Kingdom since the Act of Union in 1707, spurred in no small part by Scotland’s need for economic security and material assistance. Same passport, same currency, same history, same access.

For over 300 years the Scots have been living economically beyond their means, supported by the horrid English and very comfortable with that, thank you very much, until the early/late 60's when the first SNP MP was elected.

Every single, solitary element of public life from healthcare to power distribution, to banking, defence and sanitation is integrated with and bound as a singular system with the rest of the UK.

Yes, Scotland can try and go it's own way, the separation however has inherent and massively complex ramifications far in excess of the deliberately obscured purblind ignorance spewed by the politicians pushing this separation. The romantic, make believe history pushed by the likes of the SNP as some justification for the split is no substitution for planning to manage the cold, hard economic reality of what will happen to the people of Scotland if this occurs.
If the Scots are living comfortably at the expense of the English, why do the English want this to continue if the UK has to survive with limited resources after Brexit? I don't understand.
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A. Britain's economic resources haven't been particularly restricted by Brexit, Covid certainly has had an economic hit, Brexit not nearly so much. The EU (not the nations but the political system of the EU) will be starting to feel the pinch since the expected medium to long term revenue from the UK has left a substantial hole in their fiscal planning.

B. In general the English believe in the the Union and don't have any issues with Scotland or the Scottish people
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When the UK is looking for (qualified) workers and many EU workers do not return after Brexit
EU citizens arriving in UK being locked up and expelled
Europeans with job interviews tell of detentions and expulsions despite rules allowing non-visa holders to attend interviews

Giles Tremlett in Madrid and Lisa O'Carroll
Thu 13 May 2021 15.13 BST

EU citizens are being sent to immigration removal centres and held in airport detention rooms as the UK government’s “hostile environment” policy falls on them after Brexit, according to campaigners and travellers interviewed by the Guardian.

Europeans with job interviews are among those being denied entry and locked up. They have spoken of being subjected to the traumatic and humiliating experience of expulsion, despite Home Office rules that explicitly allow non-visa holders to attend interviews.

Confusion about whether EU citizens can explore the UK job market and then go home with an offer in order to apply for a work visa has added to the growing number of detentions. In other cases, visitors are clearly breaking rules, such as those now barring EU citizens from taking up unpaid internships.

At least a dozen European citizens – mostly young women – were detained and expelled at Gatwick airport alone over 48 hours last week, two female Spanish detainees told the Guardian. Some were sent two hours’ drive away to Yarl’s Wood detention centre in Bedfordshire, where a Covid scare meant they were confined to their rooms.

Other countries whose citizens have been held at a UK airport or detention centre include Italy, France, Bulgaria and Greece. It is understood one French man was held at Edinburgh airport for 48 hours recently, while the Bulgarian ambassador to the UK confirmed a number of his nationals had been held at immigration removal centres.

The two Spanish women were detained at Gatwick on 2 and 3 May after arriving on separate flights from Valencia and Bilbao.


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Hey, if the UK doesn't want any EU workers then the EU should pay to repatriate its citizens from the UK and expel UK citizens now working anywhere in the EU.

Once repatriation is completed fill in the channel tunnel and sink all the ferries. ;)

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We know someone in Europe who was born in Sweden, works in Norway, and lives in Denmark. We have met a lot of others, mostly tour guides and managers, who are working in one country, but are from somewhere else. It's become a way of life for people there in the EU. Of course, Brexit changes that for some people.
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Volkonski wrote: Fri May 14, 2021 3:29 am Hey, if the UK doesn't want any EU workers then the EU should pay to repatriate its citizens from the UK and expel UK citizens now working anywhere in the EU.

Once repatriation is completed fill in the channel tunnel and sink all the ferries. ;)

Let the UK die on the vine.
The EU has issued a memorandum as to UK citizens already working in the EU prior to Brexit: as long as they had correctly register at their place of residency by end of the transition period end of 2020 they keep their status.

What the coronavirus and related travel restrictions covers up is that as of now: all UK workers need to apply for a work visum in each country they wish to work in. That includes consultants, eg from the London financial world that wish to visit their client on the continent. Fun fact: eg Austria only issues work permits to residents of a third country "when the same service cannot be delivered by an EU national". Other countries will have similar restricitive policies. Note - truck drivers do not need a work visa as they reside and are paid in the UK (but it is still open if they fall under the 90-days-per-180-days stay limitation).
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UK farmers sound alarm over Australia trade talks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57157094

“The Department for International Trade (DIT) would not be drawn directly on reports it is willing to concede to zero tariffs in return for an Australia deal. However, it said a deal would be "an important stepping stone" to joining the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a sprawling trade group that includes New Zealand, China, Japan, Vietnam, as well as Australia.”

Yay, we’re moving to the Pacific. Hopefully get warmer weather too, also. :blissy:
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The BBC said:
The Department for International Trade (DIT) would not be drawn directly on reports it is willing to concede to zero tariffs in return for an Australia deal. However, it said a deal would be "an important stepping stone" to joining the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a sprawling trade group that includes New Zealand, China, Japan, Vietnam, as well as Australia.”
I do not believe that the (CP)TPP includes China. In fact, it was formed at least in part to provide an alternative to China for the member-participants at least until China opens up its economy.
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A “typo” for Chile I think. According to Wikipedia calling the it TPP is wrong too. The BBC isn’t what it used to be.

“The Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), also known as TPP11 or TPP-11,is a trade agreement among Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam. It evolved from the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which never entered into force due to the withdrawal of the United States.”
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Jeez, maybe we should join that group. I hear we actually have a Pacific coast now, we'd be a better fit than some little island in the North Atlantic. :mrgreen:
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Foggy wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 7:17 am Jeez, maybe we should join that group. I hear we actually have a Pacific coast now, we'd be a better fit than some little island in the North Atlantic. :mrgreen:
Pah! Boris will simply prefix the names of all the seas around the UK with “Pacific”. This will have the added bonus of notionally moving us several thousand miles from the European continent. :taunt:
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Yeah - Boris can send the fishing fleet to pick fish in the Pacific after they cannot work in the nearby Atlantic waters.
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UK like an ‘enemy state’ to EU nationals detained by Border Force
Confused over regulations, Home Office border staff meet legitimate visitors and workers with suspicion

Lisa O'Carroll Brexit correspondent
Fri 21 May 2021 06.00 BST

EU citizens living and working in the UK have revealed how they are being met with suspicion and threats that they will be refused entry at the UK border for the first time in their lives, fuelling fresh fears that Border Force officials have not been trained in the new Brexit rules.

Wolfgang, a German national who runs an IT business, was detained at Heathrow airport despite having proof of settled status, indefinite leave to remain and a British passport on the way.

He is furious that his rights were suspended on the whim of a Border Force official.

“I have settled status,” he said. “I have indefinite leave to remain. I am about to become a British citizen. How is it that a border official with one tick can suspend those rights?”



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ANIMAL TESTING IN A POST-BREXIT WORLD

Brexit is just one disaster. Because a load of greedy Tory politicians saw the opportunity, not for the people they serve but to line their own pockets.
Well, this work has already been undertaken and collected within the EU REACH chemical Database. The database is the biggest in the world and contains results from methods of testing which is now banned in the EU.

The UK has no choice but to resume those testing methods since 17.4 million people put the cross in the wrong box.

Since leaving the EU REACH chemical database the UK has confirmed its intention to build its own imaginatively called the UKREACH!



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https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit- ... nts-2021-6
Up to 100,000 British citizens living in mainland Europe have less than a month to apply for permanent residency on the continent or risk becoming unauthorized immigrants with the threat of lost rights or deportation.

Under post-Brexit rules, UK citizens who live in countries including France, Malta, and Luxembourg are required to apply for residency by June 30 or risk losing basic rights. But tens of thousands living abroad have still not applied, leading to concerns that those affected could lose access to services such as healthcare as a result of their new status.

"We are now less than a month before our deadline, and people just do not know what the consequences will be -- they don't know exactly how their lives will be impacted," Kalba Meadows, a resident in France who cofounded the citizens-rights group France Rights, told Insider.

"If they haven't applied before the deadline and they aren't due to have reasonable grounds for a late application, they're going to become undocumented migrants. "What the actual consequences of that will be we don't know, but it is highly likely that they will lose access to healthcare. That has serious consequences, especially for the elderly and vulnerable."
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Holidaymakers face being turned away by hotels due to staffing shortages following ‘amber list’ chaos
A nationwide staffing crisis could force hotels, restaurants and visitor attractions to refuse would-be customers

By Katie Grant
Consumer Affairs Correspondent
June 5, 2021 6:00 am(Updated 2:24 pm)

Thousands of Britons planning to holiday in the UK this summer could find themselves out of pocket or with nowhere to stay as hotels nationwide contend with severe staff shortages.

With just a handful of countries making it onto the Government’s safe “green” list for travel, and Portugal now relegated to the “amber” list, hotels and campsites are preparing for a wave of UK-based visitors in the coming weeks.

However, an acute shortage of hospitality workers means many hotels, restaurants and visitor attractions will not be able to operate at full capacity, putting thousands of holidaymakers’ plans in jeopardy.

Those who are able to secure bookings could end up paying over the odds for their trips – some providers are raising prices to offset the losses of operating at reduced capacity, while others are simply capitalising on the high demand.


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Italian and Romanian couples receive letters telling them to “go home”
The letter said "we have won Brexit" and "we won't be happy until you people leave our country".
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June 17, 2021in News, Politics


An Italian couple and their Romanian neighbours who live in York have received letters telling them to “go back to where they came from”.

Nicoletta Peddis, 35, sales finance executive and Cristian Vinci, 40, who is a chef, said the letters were both put in the Romanians’ letterbox, and they brought it to them yesterday afternoon.

Peddis told The London Economic: “They were quite shaken, they have a small child as well.

“We always exchange a few words, before they moved to the UK they lived in Italy so it’s nice to have a chat with them in our mother tongue.”

She added: “Before we opened the letter we knew what it would be, they showed us what they have received. It was still very upsetting.

“It made me really sad and really angry, I had mood swings the whole day yesterday. I was sad and angry that someone would think it’s okay if to post something like that.”

‘We are considering going back‘
Peddis, who has been living in the city for almost 13 years, initially worked in hospitality, then studied an English Literature degree and a Masters and is now working for a multinational.



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TV Hotel Inspector Alex Polizzi reveals she's serving breakfast to guests at her new property HERSELF because she can't get staff after Brexit, the Covid exodus and British workers realising 'there are easier jobs'
  • Polizzi, 49, opened The Star in East Sussex with her mother Olga in June
    TV Hotel Inspector says she's 'never, ever had it so bad' when it comes to trying to recruit hotel staff - saying she's serving guests 'less than perfectly' herself
    Hotelier blamed Brexit, loss of migrant workers during Covid and British staff realising that a hospitality job requires a 'lot of hours on your feet'
    Last week, Devon millionaire Giles Fuchs revealed he'd washed pots at the Burgh Island hotel he owns because he also couldn't get staff
    Exodus of foreign workers going back to home countries during the pandemic has put additional pressure on UK hospitality industry
By JO TWEEDY FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 11:36 BST, 16 June 2021 | UPDATED: 12:52 BST, 16 June 2021

Television hotel inspector Alex Polizzi has called the current shortage of staff in the hospitality industry 'heartbreaking' - admitting she had to serve breakfast to 50 guests at her own hotel herself in a 'less than perfect manner' this morning.

Polizzi, who is the granddaughter of Lord Forte and niece of luxury hotelier Rocco Forte, told This Morning that it was 'impossible' to get staff following the pandemic and she'd resorted to training people up herself for her latest hotel venture.

The host of Channel 5's The Hotel Inspector has been renovating The Star in Alfriston, East Sussex, since buying it in 2019, and opened in June after working on the project with her mother Olga.

However, she told This Morning hosts that the pandemic meant that the hotel's launch had been hit by a 'perfect storm'.



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Food shortages now ‘inevitable’ due to labour crisis, industry warns
By Harry Holmes18 June 20213 min read

Workers across the supply chain are in short supply

Worsening supermarket food shortages are now “inevitable” in the coming weeks as labour shortages across the food supply chain approach crunch point, the sector has warned.

Chronic driver shortages have been compounded by shortfalls across other low-paid sectors including harvesting, manufacturing and packaging, and the supply chain is creaking under the pressure.

Trade bodies, logistics firms and suppliers all warn that the continued reopening of the economy combined with the start of the summer holidays will see a tipping point in supermarkets’ ability to keep shelves fully stocked.

“The real crisis for food supplies starts now,” said Shane Brennan, CEO of the Cold Chain Federation, adding that while he was typically wary of empty shelf warnings, “this time definitely feels different”.

Many of the factors fuelling the driver shortages are the same now causing problems in other sectors: European workers returning home due to Brexit and Covid, new visas needed for unskilled workers, and the winding down of furlough placing a renewed strain on the labour pool.

“Everywhere you look in a supply chain there are problems,” said Brennan. “Food already isn’t being replenished into supermarkets quick enough and it’s not just because of logistics but a lack of production.”

The start of summer is expected to intensify the strain as workers start using up to five weeks holiday accumulated while on furlough. While most years see a diminished workforce during the summer months, it is usually balanced out by an equivalent drop in demand as holidaymakers flock abroad. But with many Brits to remain in the UK this year, the demand on supply chains will be relentless.



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RTH10260 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:09 am
TV Hotel Inspector Alex Polizzi reveals she's serving breakfast to guests at her new property HERSELF because she can't get staff after Brexit, the Covid exodus and British workers realising 'there are easier jobs'
  • Polizzi, 49, opened The Star in East Sussex with her mother Olga in June
    TV Hotel Inspector says she's 'never, ever had it so bad' when it comes to trying to recruit hotel staff - saying she's serving guests 'less than perfectly' herself
    Hotelier blamed Brexit, loss of migrant workers during Covid and British staff realising that a hospitality job requires a 'lot of hours on your feet'
    Last week, Devon millionaire Giles Fuchs revealed he'd washed pots at the Burgh Island hotel he owns because he also couldn't get staff
    Exodus of foreign workers going back to home countries during the pandemic has put additional pressure on UK hospitality industry
By JO TWEEDY FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 11:36 BST, 16 June 2021 | UPDATED: 12:52 BST, 16 June 2021

Television hotel inspector Alex Polizzi has called the current shortage of staff in the hospitality industry 'heartbreaking' - admitting she had to serve breakfast to 50 guests at her own hotel herself in a 'less than perfect manner' this morning.

Polizzi, who is the granddaughter of Lord Forte and niece of luxury hotelier Rocco Forte, told This Morning that it was 'impossible' to get staff following the pandemic and she'd resorted to training people up herself for her latest hotel venture.

The host of Channel 5's The Hotel Inspector has been renovating The Star in Alfriston, East Sussex, since buying it in 2019, and opened in June after working on the project with her mother Olga.

However, she told This Morning hosts that the pandemic meant that the hotel's launch had been hit by a 'perfect storm'.



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I call Bull Sh17!.

The hospitality industry in Australia is genuinely screaming out for workers.

The guy that runs my favorite Indian restaurant told me JUST LAST NIGHT that he is busier than he has ever been - NOT because he has more customers, that is about the same as always - but because he can't get any wait staff and he's got to do everything himself (he does have very fine and loyal kitchen staff).

Australian hospitality industry depends on British working holiday makers, Asian students, and backpackers from all over. But there ain't any this year. The Government managed to carve out a 'bubble' with Tavalu to bring in some pickers or the entire citrus crop and most of the strawberry crop and who knows what else would have been lost. But they sure didn't bring in any British waitstaff or bartenders.

So if the hoards of British working holiday makers can't get to Australia to work in our restaurants and bars and vineyards and orchards and tourist attractions, why isn't there a GLUT of qualified hospitality workers stuck in the old dart that this guy can connect with?

I think that lady running 'The Star' has other problems that she is trying to cover up using the pandemic as an excuse.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-22/ ... /100234234

The good and bad of global isolation
Forecasting is a fraught occupation. It's all about the underlying assumptions. Take a benign view about the future, and you can end up with projections as rosy as you'd like.

There is a slightly different dynamic operating in these numbers. Instead, there are liberal mentions of the federal government's international border closures throughout the budget.

According to the papers, that halt to immigration cut international student numbers by 99.8 per cent and obliterated foreign tourism. The total cost? Around $300 million a month.

Therefore, the forecasts are heavily dependent on the economy reopening sometime next year. That sounds like a responsible caveat.

What we are learning, however, is that the international lockout hasn't been all bad. In fact, in some cases, it's been beneficial.

One of the key reasons our employment prospects have improved is that there is no longer a stream of backpackers and new arrivals.

Workers are in short supply which, if Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe gets his way, should result in higher wages.

Then there's tourism. It may be our third-biggest export industry and it is often cited as having a multiplier effect throughout the economy.

But get this. We spend far more on overseas travel than foreigners spend here.

In fact, according to the state budget papers, the NSW tourism deficit blew out to around $7.5 billion shortly before the pandemic hit.

It's a trend that has been growing since the turn of the century when it was pretty much in balance.

Guess where that excess $7.5 billion is being spent now? We're spending it at home.

It is one of the key reasons that consumer spending on everything from homewares to renovations has rebounded to such an extent. And, given there is little alternative, we are travelling more at home.
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a geophysical wonder: the Brisish islands drift to the Pacific
Pacific trade deal ‘worth tiny fraction’ of UK’s EU losses as Johnson warned over exports

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Official figures released today show the benefit to the UK economy of a new proposed trade deal with Asian countries is small compared to the losses expected from Brexit.

The Government launched negotiations to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP) on Monday, which Boris Johnson said would “open up unparalleled opportunities”.

Figures released today by the Department for International Trade (DfT) forecast a boost to UK GDP of £1.8bn in 15 years time from the partnership, compared to the 4 per cent long-term hit to GDP forecast by the government’s independent Office for Budget Responsibility as a result of Brexit.

It comes as Mr Johnson has today been warned that the EU could “slow down” exports or shut off the flow of important business data in the event of a trade war.

If the dispute over the Northern Ireland Protocol worsened then Brussels has a number of levers that could cause “significant economic consequences” for the UK, said Jonathan Portes, of the UK in a Changing Europe think-tank.



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OMFSM - British expats will lose even more after tv distribution in the EU was restricted
EU prepares to cut amount of British TV and film shown post-Brexit
Exclusive: number of UK productions seen as ‘disproportionate’ and threat to Europe’s cultural diversity

Daniel Boffey in Brussels
Mon 21 Jun 2021 12.58 BST

The EU is preparing to act against the “disproportionate” amount of British television and film content shown in Europe in the wake of Brexit, in a blow to the UK entertainment industry and the country’s “soft power” abroad.

The UK is Europe’s biggest producer of film and TV programming, buoyed up by £1.4bn from the sale of international rights, but its dominance has been described as a threat to Europe’s “cultural diversity” in an internal EU document seen by the Guardian.



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