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That settlement in the wilderness of Montana must be growing exponentially to accomodate all those splunky experts :lol:
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RTH10260 wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:06 pm That settlement in the wilderness of Montana must be growing exponentially to accomodate all those splunky experts :lol:
hrm. Did anything ever really come up about the place they sent all that voter data to? I feel like that part of the story kinda fell off the radar.
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The July 15, 2021 CN's briefing to the senate has raised many concerns in the DOJ.

The Justice Department Is Sending States A Second Warning About Partisan "Audits" Of The 2020 Election
The Justice Department on Wednesday issued a second warning to states considering their own so-called audits of the 2020 election, highlighting federal laws that those efforts may violate.

According to the new guidance, DOJ is “concerned that some jurisdictions conducting [audits] may be using, or proposing to use, procedures that risk violating the Civil Rights Act,” which requires that elections officials retain and preserve federal election materials for 22 months after an election.
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The DOJ official would not answer questions about whether the department will take any action regarding the Arizona audit or other states that are trying to follow that path, saying that they cannot “can’t comment on any investigations that might be ongoing.”

The guidance “sets down a marker that says the Justice Department is concerned about this,” the official said.

Like the May letter, the guidance also warns against voter intimidation. It notes that Cyber Ninjas had initially planned to knock on voters’ doors to confirm that they voted and lived at the correct address, a plan the Arizona Senate abandoned after receiving DOJ’s letter.

DOJ also made clear Wednesday that it believes that the Arizona Senate, Cyber Ninjas, and any other contractors who may participate in a future audit are responsible for preserving and retaining ballots and other election materials, not just elections officials, and warned of a “significant risk of the records being lost, stolen, altered, compromised, or destroyed” when elections materials are no longer controlled by officials. “This risk is exacerbated if the election records are given to private actors who have neither experience nor expertise in handling such records and who are unfamiliar with the obligations imposed by federal law, the guidance said.”

The guidance notes that it is a federal crime to “willfully fail to comply with the retention and preservation requirements” and that anyone found guilty could “face fines of up to $1000 and imprisonment of up to one year for each violation.”
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DOJ's new election audit publication, published July 28, 2021.

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Chilidog wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:26 pm "Willfully."

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Seriously, as much as it pains me, I'm not convinced that would apply to them. I don't think it is so much _willfully_ as it is sheer ignorance and incompetence. Although now that they have been notified... Twice. Maybe it _does_ count as willful.

And the clown show continues...
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Bennett says he intends to resign. He presents himself as the intrepid everyman hero. Fann is trying to do damage control.
The Republican serving as liaison between the Arizona state Senate and the private company conducting a partisan ballot review said Wednesday he intends to resign, citing his inability to back the final product.

Ken Bennett, a former Arizona secretary of state, said he made the decision after it became clear he would not regain access to the Phoenix fairgrounds where the private company, Cyber Ninjas, continues its examination of millions of ballots cast last November in Maricopa County.

"Right now I’m the liaison in name only," he told conservative radio host James Harris Wednesday. "I don’t know if that makes me a LINO or what."

Bennett, who has been the public face of the review, was first barred from entering the audit site Friday after he shared some results with outside election experts, according to The Arizona Republic. Those experts told the paper that what they reviewed indicated the auditors' vote tally was in line with the results reported by the county.

"I’ve always tried to act as a man of integrity and honesty :faint: and I’m sure I don’t accomplish that all the time, but I cannot put a rubber stamp on a product I am being locked out of its development," he said Wednesday. "I’m going to step down today. I’ll issue a statement later for the press later this morning."

Arizona state Senate President Karen Fann, a Republican, said in a statement to NBC News on Wednesday that a liaison is no longer needed on-site because the tabulation of votes is complete and ballots will be returned to Maricopa County on Thursday.

"At this point, we do not need a Senate liaison on site since all data gathered will now be taken to the auditors labs for analysis," she said. "After the auditors have submitted their draft report, Ken will be part of this process as the authorized Senate liaison. Ken and the entire Senate team will have full access to all the core audit data to verify their findings. The Senate contract with the auditor explicitly says all data and findings gathered from the entire audit is the property of the Arizona Senate."
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On Tuesday, Fann said it was "imperative anyone working with the audit is required to adhere to the rules of not disclosing unconfirmed information."

But in that same statement, she said Bennett "will be involved and a vital part of the draft and final reports to ensure their accuracy with his knowledge and contributions throughout the audit process."

In his Wednesday interview, Bennett said he was "appreciative" of Fann's statement indicating he would play a role in drafting the final report, "but I’ve got to have access to the source data and everything that will be the building blocks to that final report."

"I can’t just come in at the last minute and be asked to endorse something that I can’t be a part of really building," he said.
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The Republican-controlled state Senate authorized the review of ballots in Arizona's most populous county and hired the private company to conduct it after President Joe Biden flipped the state blue for the first time in decades, winning Arizona by more than 10,400 votes last fall. The audit's findings will not overturn his certified victory in the state.

In his interview, Bennett said he spoke with Logan on Tuesday and reiterated he would only give his stamp of approval on the final report if he was reinstated with full access to the audit. He also said the final report could be thousands of pages long.

"If I’m going to put my credibility on the line that it’s something they can trust and believe in, I can’t be locked out until the last minute,” he said.
:snippity:
Notice that Fann talks about an "on-site" liaison? Bennett was the senate liaison off-site too.

Later today we should know more about Bennett's intentions. We might also have a statement from the MCBOS. This morning they met with their counsel to decide what to do with the bullshit subpoenas Fann issued.
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In my book, "ignorance" and "willfulness" are not mutually exclusive.

Fann and CN are textbook examples of that.
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p0rtia wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:42 pm In my book, "ignorance" and "willfulness" are not mutually exclusive.

Fann and CN are textbook examples of that.
In my (IANAL) understanding, the legal definition of doing something "knowingly" is through negligent or willful ignorance, so I would think that the courts agree with you. On the other hand, since simply ignoring information you don't like has become so normalized, who knows what standard people can actually be held to.
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My personal opinion is that if you present yourself as a subject matter expert, and you accept a contract to conduct an activity for a government entity and the work is covered by various local, state, and federal laws and regulations, you had better damned well know those laws and regulations backwards, forwards and sideways.
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all data gathered will now be taken to the auditors labs for analysis,
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And... he's back.
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raison de arizona wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:18 pm And... he's back.
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The county should do their own count to ensure everything has been returned fo shure.
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Here we go...


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p0rtia wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:42 pm In my book, "ignorance" and "willfulness" are not mutually exclusive.

Fann and CN are textbook examples of that.
Agreed.

IANAL, but, IMHO, blatant disregard for the very concept that the law might have something to say about what Cyber Ninjas are doing constitutes willfulness.

Even a neophyte like me knows that there are state and federal laws governing the handling, security and retention of ballot information, as well as laws regarding voter intimidation. I couldn't quote you those laws, or even identify exactly what statutes apply.

However, if I were to take on any task that required me to have physical custody of original paper ballots, I would sure as hell find out what those laws are and how they applied to my project. Before I did anything else. And, I would formulate procedures that insure that we didn't violate any of those laws.

There has been little to no evidence that CN did any of that. They blithely charged into the project, confident that they are "patriots" and therefore, by definition, acting within the law. To me, that's "willful".
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orlylicious wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:32 pm Here we go...



Close to $6 million, just enough to pay for the new voting machines. I certainly hope Maricopa County sues the bejeezus out of CN for spoiling their voting system.

Also, its a bunch of dark money PACs, so we still know squat about who is funding it.
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Slarti the White wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:02 pm
p0rtia wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:42 pm In my book, "ignorance" and "willfulness" are not mutually exclusive.

Fann and CN are textbook examples of that.
In my (IANAL) understanding, the legal definition of doing something "knowingly" is through negligent or willful ignorance, so I would think that the courts agree with you. On the other hand, since simply ignoring information you don't like has become so normalized, who knows what standard people can actually be held to.
No, knowingly really means you have to know.

In all/most/some (?) states it's statutory.

https://law.justia.com/codes/missouri/2 ... on-562.016
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noblepa wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:05 am
p0rtia wrote: Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:42 pm In my book, "ignorance" and "willfulness" are not mutually exclusive.

Fann and CN are textbook examples of that.
Agreed.

IANAL, but, IMHO, blatant disregard for the very concept that the law might have something to say about what Cyber Ninjas are doing constitutes willfulness.

Even a neophyte like me knows that there are state and federal laws governing the handling, security and retention of ballot information, as well as laws regarding voter intimidation. I couldn't quote you those laws, or even identify exactly what statutes apply.

However, if I were to take on any task that required me to have physical custody of original paper ballots, I would sure as hell find out what those laws are and how they applied to my project. Before I did anything else. And, I would formulate procedures that insure that we didn't violate any of those laws.

There has been little to no evidence that CN did any of that. They blithely charged into the project, confident that they are "patriots" and therefore, by definition, acting within the law. To me, that's "willful".
:yeahthat: Also IANAL, but damn, this can't be legally OK.
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Trapazoid is a good account to follow, he finds interesting information. Jeremy Duda from AZ Mirror too also.


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My point was the Fann and CN are dumb as all fuck out. Stupid. Ignorant. Uneducated. Blockheads. Out of their league. The-former-guy-talking-about-bleach for COVID level oblivious.
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Bennett now has access. CN must be thrilled!
The Arizona Republican charged with serving as a "liaison" between the GOP-led state Senate and the controversial 2020 presidential election audit in Maricopa County announced that he is stepping down on Wednesday, but in the evening took back his statement, saying he will not resign.

Ken Bennett, who served as the Arizona Secretary of State from 2009 to 2015, made the remarks during a Wednesday interview with conservative talk radio host James T. Harris. Bennett told Harris that, despite having played an integral role in the months-long effort, recent events have made him question whether his continued participation in the audit could put his own credibility at risk. :rotflmao:

Republican State Senate leaders permanently banned Bennett from the building where the audit is taking place last week after it emerged that he had shared audit data with outside analysts without receiving prior permission from State Senate President Karen Fann, according to The Arizona Republic. Bennett said that he was "surprised" that Fann on Monday insisted that he would still "be involved and a vital part of" the audit's final reports.
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But on Wednesday evening, Bennett announced that he would not resign, having made an agreement with Fann, according to The Arizona Republic. He will also be allowed back in the building where the recount was taking place.
:snippity:

While Bennett insisted that he still supports the audit despite stepping down from his role on Wednesday, he is far from the first prominent Republican in the state who previously professed enthusiasm for the audit but is now voicing concerns about its credibility and transparency.

Republican State Senators Paul Boyer and Michelle Ugenti-Rita have both recently denounced the audit. Boyer said that supporting the "ridiculous" audit made Republicans state lawmakers "look like idiots," while Ugenti-Rita called the audit "botched" and accused Fann of a "total lack of competence."
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Update (7/28/2021, 10:00 p.m.): This article has been updated to reflect that Bennett changed his mind about resigning.
Thankfully, Bennett can't put the horse back in the stable. He:
*Publicly questioned the credibility of the fraudit.

*Was so deeply concerned about CN's methods and results that he took data to an experienced election audit group.

*Announced that his resignation was due to his concerns about CN's credibility and transparency.

This fraudit has been seriously damaged by Bennett's actions. I know; the conspiracy nutters following this fraudit make excuses to try to reverse the damage done by Bennett.

Bennett keeps saying he's just a liaison between CN and the AZ Senate. Liaisons don't have access to complete data collections and the materials used to create the data. They absolutely don't have enough access to data to secretly give data to a competitor.

This is more evidence that Fann knows she's unleashed a beast and has lost control of the beast. She's been in full damage control for over a week.
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