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I think the House Oversight Committee was waiting for the fraudit to be over.

CN's part is over.

This Congressional investigation is why Logan refuses to release documents to Sen Fann.
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Five takeaways from Arizona's audit results

The Arizona Senate on Friday heard testimony from the firm it hired to conduct a so-called audit of more than 2 million votes cast in Maricopa County during the 2020 elections, the latest in a cavalcade of election disinformation spread at the behest of former President Trump.
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Here are five takeaways from the report and the testimony delivered Friday before the state Senate, which underscored what were already the results of the election: President Biden won both Arizona and the Electoral College.

Maricopa's count was correct

The main event of the so-called audit was a hand recount of the roughly 2,089,000 ballots voters in Maricopa County cast in 2020.
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The count raises more questions about Cyber Ninjas than Maricopa

About that misleading statistic: The information Cyber Ninjas include in its report shows that human error was present in its hand count.

The Florida-based firm recounted ballots cast in both the race for president and the race for a U.S. Senate seat, in which Democrat Mark Kelly ousted Republican Martha McSally. If everything went according to plan, the same number of ballots should have been counted in both elections - ballots cast for the Democratic candidate, ballots cast for the Republican candidate, ballots cast for any third-party candidates and ballots that either did not record a vote, recorded too many votes or recorded a write-in vote.

The Maricopa County canvass count reflects that reality: It recorded 2,089,563 votes cast in both the presidential contest and the Senate contest - including 21,419 non-votes or write-ins in the presidential contest and 40,964 non-votes or write-ins in the Senate contest.

But the Cyber Ninjas count is different. The hand recount, a multistep process that included manual data entry from volunteers who were not professionally trained by election administrators, found 2,088,569 votes in the presidential contest and 2,088,396 votes in the Senate race - a difference of 175 ballots.

It's not a statistically massive difference, but it is a difference. In its first data point, Cyber Ninjas showed its count was marred by human error.

The report is full of made-for-TV misleading numbers

The Cyber Ninjas report includes several recommended areas that the firm suggests warrant further scrutiny, broken down by level of severity - critical, high, medium, low and unknown (or, in its term, "informational").

The top priority - one that Trump seized on even before the final report came out - is mail-in ballots cast from a voter's prior address. The Cyber Ninjas report suggests 23,344 ballots were cast by voters who no longer live at the address at which they are registered.

"Phantom voters!" Trump said in a context-free statement released Friday.

But election analysts and experts said that figure is meaningless without more context. Cyber Ninjas matched voters with commercial data, rather than official data maintained by county elections office. Those who cast ballots but now live in different areas may have moved since the election, or moved out of a parent's house around Election Day.

Just over 1 percent of voters who cast a ballot in the 2020 elections may have moved since - a figure well within the normal range of the share of people who change residences in a given year.

Garrett Archer, a former top aide in the Arizona secretary of state's office who now reports for Phoenix's ABC affiliate, told The Hill that the official data maintained by the county would have answered questions raised by the commercial data - but that Cyber Ninjas did not take that step.

"They didn't go far enough," Archer said.

Cyber Ninjas undercuts some of the most egregious conspiracy theories

In the weeks after November's election, a particularly bizarre conspiracy theory floated around Facebook and other social media networks: Arizona ballots cast with a Sharpie marker were allegedly disqualified.

Those allegations were false, but it didn't stop some Trump voters from claiming their votes had been disproportionately thrown out.

In its report, Cyber Ninjas dedicates a 158-word paragraph to a description of how ink bleeding through paper might affect a ballot - but really, only the last eight words of that paragraph matter: "No images that were reviewed met these conditions."

At the same time, some conspiracy theorists suggested that ballots had been imported from overseas. Inspectors spent days looking closely at the paper on which those ballots were printed, looking for evidence of impropriety - some suggested that ballots might have bamboo fibers, evidence of foreign interference.

Cyber Ninjas dedicates a section of its report to the paper on which ballots were printed. Its conclusion: Election administrators used different paper weights. Not a word about bamboo.

"The large number of papers utilized during this election and the lack of official reporting about what paper stocks were utilized made it difficult to identify any potential counterfeit ballots.
Standardization on these details would more greatly facilitate future audits," the report says.

The report won't mollify election deniers

Some Republicans seeking to align themselves with Trump raced to perpetuate the former president's wrong claims despite the audit results.

In a statement released even before the official report was delivered, Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich (R), who is running in a crowded Republican primary to face Kelly in next year's elections, promised action.

"I will take all necessary actions that are supported by the evidence and where I have legal authority," Brnovich said. "Arizonans deserve to have their votes accurately counted and protected."

Brnovich, pointedly, did not cite any evidence offered by Cyber Ninjas.


"The purpose of this audit was to overturn the result of Arizona's presidential election, prove fraud and expose flaws in our election system. The audit went 0-3," said Mike Noble, a Phoenix-based pollster and political strategist. "Its one potential true impact is the lasting damage to our trust in our electoral process."
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LM K wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:24 am Five takeaways from Arizona's audit results

The Arizona Senate on Friday heard testimony from the firm it hired to conduct a so-called audit of more than 2 million votes cast in Maricopa County during the 2020 elections, the latest in a cavalcade of election disinformation spread at the behest of former President Trump.
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Cyber Ninjas undercuts some of the most egregious conspiracy theories
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Cyber Ninjas dedicates a section of its report to the paper on which ballots were printed. Its conclusion: Election administrators used different paper weights. Not a word about bamboo.

"The large number of papers utilized during this election and the lack of official reporting about what paper stocks were utilized made it difficult to identify any potential counterfeit ballots. Standardization on these details would more greatly facilitate future audits," the report says.

:snippity:
Correct about making any future (???) audit easier. But of course those green slimy men from outer space will also read the specifications and have identical paper at hand to insert fake votes for the Democratic candidate. And they will use the wrong paper specifications to insert votes for the Republican candidate. ;)
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I like the way The Hill's report (quoted by LM K above) not only points out that the Candy Nutjobs failed to find errors in the official counts, but also identified the mismatch as showing error in the Candy Nutjobs' count (not in the county's count) and justified that conclusion with reference to the overall tallies. The Nutjobs failed that consistency check — the size of that error could I guess be used to estimate the probable sizes of errors in their other totals. But I don't care enough to even start on that!
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LM K wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:24 am Five takeaways from Arizona's audit results



But the Cyber Ninjas count is different. The hand recount, a multistep process that included manual data entry from volunteers who were not professionally trained by election administrators, found 2,088,569 votes in the presidential contest and 2,088,396 votes in the Senate race - a difference of 175 ballots.

It's not a statistically massive difference, but it is a difference. In its first data point, Cyber Ninjas showed its count was marred by human error.
Am I missing something? AFAIK, it is absolutely normal for the number of votes cast in different contests or issues on the same ballot to differ. A voter may have cast a vote for President but not for the Senate seat, or vice versa. This happens all the time.

Personally, I seldom cast a vote in every contest or issue on my ballot. I often don't know anything about the judges or other down-ballot candidates, so I leave that race blank, rather than cast a random vote for a candidate about whom I know nothing.

So, to me, the fact that there was a discrepancy between the number of votes cast for President and for the Senate seat is a huge nothing burger. Frankly, I would be more surprised if the counts DID match.
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noblepa wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:14 pm
LM K wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:24 am Five takeaways from Arizona's audit results



But the Cyber Ninjas count is different. The hand recount, a multistep process that included manual data entry from volunteers who were not professionally trained by election administrators, found 2,088,569 votes in the presidential contest and 2,088,396 votes in the Senate race - a difference of 175 ballots.

It's not a statistically massive difference, but it is a difference. In its first data point, Cyber Ninjas showed its count was marred by human error.
Am I missing something? AFAIK, it is absolutely normal for the number of votes cast in different contests or issues on the same ballot to differ. A voter may have cast a vote for President but not for the Senate seat, or vice versa. This happens all the time.

Personally, I seldom cast a vote in every contest or issue on my ballot. I often don't know anything about the judges or other down-ballot candidates, so I leave that race blank, rather than cast a random vote for a candidate about whom I know nothing.

So, to me, the fact that there was a discrepancy between the number of votes cast for President and for the Senate seat is a huge nothing burger. Frankly, I would be more surprised if the counts DID match.
The issue is not the number of votes cast for an office, but the number of ballots. That count includes those who don't vote for a particular office. As both Biden and Kelly were on the same ballot, the ballots counted for each should be the same, as it was with the official count. The official count did differentiate between votes and non-votes for a particular office and broke them out.
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The irregularities identified by the “cyber ninjas” in Arizona mean nothing. All wasted energy and resources.

If you want to send your money to these feckless efforts, feel free.

Have Republicans set up any ballot harvesting?
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orlylicious wrote: Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:53 am PS: A thank you to Suranis for the reminder to use the spoiler tag so folks who don't want to see it won't have an endless scroll, it's a great point. Trying to do that, if I miss one please mention it or mods can always do that, always give permission for that.
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woodworker wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:44 pm
noblepa wrote: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:14 pm
Am I missing something? AFAIK, it is absolutely normal for the number of votes cast in different contests or issues on the same ballot to differ. A voter may have cast a vote for President but not for the Senate seat, or vice versa. This happens all the time.

Personally, I seldom cast a vote in every contest or issue on my ballot. I often don't know anything about the judges or other down-ballot candidates, so I leave that race blank, rather than cast a random vote for a candidate about whom I know nothing.

So, to me, the fact that there was a discrepancy between the number of votes cast for President and for the Senate seat is a huge nothing burger. Frankly, I would be more surprised if the counts DID match.
The issue is not the number of votes cast for an office, but the number of ballots. That count includes those who don't vote for a particular office. As both Biden and Kelly were on the same ballot, the ballots counted for each should be the same, as it was with the official count. The official count did differentiate between votes and non-votes for a particular office and broke them out.
Immediately after the hand count, Fann purchased a ballot counter.

Now we know one of the reasons why.
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Flashback: Orly Taitz v Ken Bennett

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Orly chimes in. Haven't seen the stye in a long time, it's so sad, not a single comment. Swore a tumbleweed blew past. Foggy, what can Orly do to get back ON TOP?

Just as I found back in 2009 -2011 with Obama’s bogus IDs, massive election fraud. Let’s hope AZ senate and AG Brnovich will find one honest judge who will decertify the election, send culpable to prison and order a nation-wide audit
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AZ Audit Finds Proof of Pre-Meditated Fraud: Multiple Ballot Envelopes Had “Verified and Approved” Stamp That Appears to be PRE-PRINTED
BEHIND Signature Box – Several Approved With No Signature at All
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I made some smart ass comment on a Maricopa County thread on twitter and, wow, these people are seriously disturbed.

Nobody threatened or cursed me, nothing report-worthy, but I was told repeatedly that, deep down inside, I was running scared because I knew Biden and MC were caught red-handed and they were all going to prison. I responded with a gif of a crying baby and most of them blocked me, (after sending one last promise that Biden was, indeed, going to prison).

How do these people function?

Oops, forgot to add a link to AZ Central debunking all the CN allegations.

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As always, Twitter is a sewer. The insult-then-block is a common maneuver.

Many people are there to talk, and not to converse. It is best to manage expectations: Don't believe that you'll change any minds, expect people to be steadfast in the delusions, expect projection and gaslighting. (Although: is it gaslighting if they really believe their delusions?)
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Mike Huckabee fell for the fake report and still hasn't caught on to the fact that he was trolled.


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I was having a perfectly normal conversation on NextDoor yesterday about the Fraudit, the stolen election, Judicial Watch, you know, the usual topics. :roll: Someone asked why i didnt believe the election was stolen and I laid my arguments out. No snark, no dissing, just…my reasons.

The last time I talked politics on ND was over a year ago when I asked the Recall folks why they wanted Newsom gone. No one could give me a real answer then (“along with the criminal Pelosis and Browns, the Newsom family has been robbing California blind for generations” was a favorite. “Oh yeah? How?” Well, it turns out that Pelosi is mobbed up, the Browns just flat out stole money from the treasury, and Newsom is a monster. So I made a snarky comment and withdrew from the “conversation”.

Yesterday the guy who first asked me my reasons, and who had not responded to a woman who said “I looked it up. Judicial Watch was rated untrustworthy, a far-right organization”, told me I was arguing in bad faith when I added to her comment: Judicial Watch is made up largely of partisan hacks; one of their founders basically can’t practice law anymore, he’s burned so many bridges with judges and courts.

Then he added that I was probably a communist if I had voted for Biden, I was biased, incapable of being persuaded by logical arguments. :shock: :o he pulled up my comment from a year ago and said “See? Bad faith”

OMG these people are fucking nuts!!! Or is it me?
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Fucking nuts.

I don't think we need a poll.
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Phoenix520 wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:16 pmOMG these people are fucking nuts!!! Or is it me?
You are nuts for expecting a reasoned discourse. :towel:

Seriously, someone who can't accept the election results by now isn't going to engage in a good-faith debate about them. Especially about an "audit" that was flawed from its inception.
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They're crazy people incapable of reasonable conversation. Unfortunately.
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What are we going to do? However many truly nuts folks there are, they are loud and obnoxious and hell-bent on wearing us all down

Who let these whackos in⁉️
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In.my case, my sister married him.
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Chilidog wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:16 pm Mike Huckabee fell for the fake report and still hasn't caught on to the fact that he was trolled.


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Lani wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:28 am
Chilidog wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:16 pm Mike Huckabee fell for the fake report and still hasn't caught on to the fact that he was trolled.


https://www.mikehuckabee.com/latest-new ... 4-QiGXbIcI
Even if he finds out, he won't correct it.
That's exactly what happened.


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With A Straight face, Trump Lies And Says Arizona Audit Found He Won

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