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Post by Addie » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:16 am

I'm very very pissed off about this. They're all but handing it over as an issue to the Repugs. Just watch. :madguy:
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HuffPo: Democratic National Committee Votes To Reject Climate Debate

The vote came a day after the 2020 climate candidate Jay Inslee, who had been pushing for the debate, dropped out of the race.

The Democratic National Committee has rejected a proposal to host a single-issue debate on the climate crisis.
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It was a predictable outcome. Top brass at the DNC opposed the climate debate from the get-go, fearing it could sow discord in the base and hamper the eventual nominee in the general election.

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Which "base" is that, I wonder? Because I thought I was part of the Democratic "base", and I think the choice to oppose climate debate is the sower of discord. Or maybe they mean "base" the way MSM uses it 99 percent of the time: 45's "base". Maybe "base" now means looney right-wing science-deniers who are the only ones the count.

Or maybe they were translating from the Arabic.

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Post by p0rtia » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:49 am

The Dem leadership cannot lead. None of them. Not the DNC, not the DCCC, certainly not Schumer, and, sadly, not Pelosi. Their version of leadership appears to be micromanaging the daily flow of news in hopes of either enticing the infamous undecided voters into their camp by not offending them and assuming that the staunch progressives will never leave, so they can be safely ignored.

IMO, they are complicit with the downfall of our economy and the rule of law.

Which is why, whenever I see Dem candidates for pres. actually leading (which I define here as providing a vision for a better future and by taking a stand on well-established progressive principles), I am briefly happy. Warren, Sanders, Gillibrand, Inslee, Buttigieg, Booker, Castro, Harris, and even Beto and Amy, have often made me briefly happy. Not every minute of every day, but more often than I've seen for a long time.

And Obama stays on the sidelines. :-(
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Nice of the Dems to hand the Climate Crisis issue over to the Repugs. :brickwallsmall:

Politico - Aug 22
A new tone from some Republicans on climate change — mostly behind closed doors

POLITICO’s latest Global Translations podcast episode explores whether modest climate legislation could pass as soon as this year.


Republicans are beginning to feel the heat on climate change.

Though a significant bloc of the party continues to deny the basic science of the issue, some senior Republicans are showing a willingness to consider incremental legislation to turbo-charge clean energy research funding, invest in greening buildings, support electric vehicle charging infrastructure and promote energy efficiency.

And a few others are going farther, notably Rep. Francis Rooney, who supports a carbon tax — an idea that hasn’t attracted Republican support since a failed cap-and-trade bill nearly a decade ago.

“I don't understand what it is about people in politics that they seem to be immune from some of these large shifts in opinion out there in the real world. I mean almost all the large-company CEOs are for taking reasonable steps to deal with climate change and sea level rise,” said Rooney, who represents a coastal Florida district and served as an ambassador in the George W. Bush administration.

He credited pressure from corporate leaders as helpful for ultimately setting a price on carbon despite ongoing resistance from many in his party.

And behind closed doors, Republicans are even more candid in acknowledging that action is needed, according to their Democratic colleagues. ...

The tonal shift among some Republicans comes as a federal government report last fall warned of hundreds of billions of dollars in annual costs related to climate change by mid-century across every region of the country. And the United Nations last year warned the world must achieve net-zero emissions by mid-century to stave off the worst impacts from climate change.

Amid the overwhelming scientific consensus and growing public demands for actions, some senior Republicans, like Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, have acknowledged that human activity is driving climate change. Other senior lawmakers have voiced support for more federal funding for clean energy research and other technologies like carbon capture and sequestration. Famed GOP pollster Frank Luntz, who famously pushed Republicans to cast doubt on the science of climate change in the 2000s, pointedly said last month: “I was wrong.”

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Climate Debate’s Uncertainty Hangs Heavy Over Democratic Party Meeting

Many of the 2020 candidates at the Democratic National Committee gathering were silent on climate change, underscoring concerns it’s getting scant attention.


SAN FRANCISCO ― Mounting friction over the need for a single-issue debate on climate change was the elephant in the room Friday as the Democratic National Committee convened for the second day of its annual summer meeting.

Friday’s event in downtown San Francisco, which was largely dedicated to short speeches from 13 of the candidates, came a day after the DNC’s resolutions committee voted 17-8 against such a debate.

Activists fed up with the party’s opposition to a debate on climate ― which got only 12 minutes of airtime during last month’s Democratic debates ― flooded the room in outrage Thursday. Tensions from that standoff lingered Friday as delegates assembled to hear directly from the 2020 candidates.


Sunrise Movement activists lobbied for a candidate debate focused solely on climate change outside the DNC’s meeting Friday in San Francisco.
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Yale.edu: Climate Note · Feb 21, 2019
A Growing Majority of Americans Think Global Warming is Happening and are Worried
Vox: The DNC rejects a climate change debate and puts virtual caucusing in doubt

Activists have called for a climate change debate for months. The DNC says one won’t happen and raised new questions about changes to caucusing.

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NBC News: New poll doesn't add more Dems to debate stage, field holding at 10

The survey also showed a steep drop for Biden, who is now in a statistical three-way tie at the top with Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.


In a blow to their hopes of making the debate stage next month, billionaire Tom Steyer, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York and a number of other presidential candidates missed a chance to advance in a new poll on Monday, just two days before the cutoff.

Ten candidates have already qualified for the ABC-sponsored Democratic debate in Houston in September, but Steyer, Gillibrand, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii and author Marianne Williamson were hoping some last-minute surveys would push them across the threshold.

Now they'll have to hope that new polls come out before Wednesday — a tall order, especially considering that pollsters often avoid surveying Americans in August, when many people are on vacation.

Candidates need four polls showing them at 2 percent or higher and 130,000 unique donors.

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Post by Addie » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:42 am

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The DNC Is About To Cut The 2020 Field In Half, And Spark Plenty Of Controversy

The massive Democratic presidential field could begin its inevitable reduction this week with only half of the current candidates set to make the cut for next month's debate.

The controversial decision will please many party stalwarts who worry that the often dizzying number of Democrats seeking the nomination could endanger their chances of defeating President Trump.

But other candidates who have struggled to gain traction and meet the debate qualifications set forth by the Democratic National Committee are already complaining party leaders are trying to manipulate the process — and voters won't even weigh in for more than five months.

The 2020 election has presented the DNC with a new set of challenges as it tries to maneuver the largest field in modern presidential history. Here's how the party got here, the historical precedents that led up to this cycle and why, ultimately, the party does end up playing an outsized role in the nominating process.

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Post by Addie » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:24 am

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A few of Joe Biden’s 2020 Democratic rivals still have time to catch fire

Is it early in the 2020 Democratic presidential race, or is it late?

The question arises as new polls today affirm the rank order of President Trump’s potential challengers. The answer, four months before voting starts, appears clear: very late for most, and still early for a few.

The separate surveys by Suffolk and Quinnipiac universities tested the same 21 Democratic candidates. In each case, five of them received at least five percent of the vote, and 16 did not.

Those 16 face grim prospects. Ten of them – Steve Bullock, Bill de Blasio, John Delaney, Tulsi Gabbard, Kirsten Gillibrand, Wayne Messam, Tim Ryan, Joe Sestak, Tom Steyer and Marianne Williamson – won’t appear in the third Democratic debate next month.

The other six – Cory Booker, Julian Castro, Amy Klobuchar, Beto O’Rourke, Andrew Yang and Michael Bennet – have little to show for months of campaigning and two previous debates. They have brief, narrow windows of opportunity now.

That leaves three men and two women – Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg - confident they’ve already made the political equivalent of the major league baseball playoffs. Not only do they lead national surveys, those five also top polling averages for the four critical early-voting states: Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina.

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Post by Foggy » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:21 am

North Carolina is a critical early voting state next year. Maybe someday CNBC might learn that. :doh:
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ABC News: Final lineup set for sole night of ABC Democratic primary debate

The final lineup for the third Democratic debate is set for a single night in Houston in two weeks on Sept. 12.

The 10 candidates certified by the Democratic National Committee to participate in the debate, hosted by ABC News in partnership with Univision, will appear on stage in the following order, from left to right:

Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar
New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker
South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders
Former Vice President Joe Biden
Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren
California Sen. Kamala Harris
Entrepreneur Andrew Yang
Former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke
Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro

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DNC sets date for October presidential primary debate

Washington (CNN)The October Democratic presidential primary debate will take place in Ohio on October 15 with a potential second debate the following night if enough candidates qualify, according to an email sent by the Democratic National Committee to the 2020 democratic presidential campaigns and provided to CNN by a source.

The DNC said it will release more information on the venue and news outlet hosting the debate in the coming days.

The October debate will retain the same heightened qualification threshold as the debate set for September 12 -- a 2% polling threshold in four qualifying polls and at least 130,000 unique donors including 400 donors each from at least 20 states. Qualifying polls released between June 28 and 11:59 p.m. ET on October 1 will count toward certification to participate in the debate and certification materials will be due to the DNC by 11:00 a.m. ET on October 2, according to the email.

This polling window means that candidates who qualified for the September debate will automatically qualify for the October contests. It gives candidates who did not qualify in September additional time to make the next debate stage.

Qualifying for the October debate will be an important target for candidates excluded in September after the raised polling and fundraising criteria slashed the crowded primary field in half with 10 qualifying candidates.
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Columbus Dispatch: Ohio to host Democrats' presidential debate in October

State party chairman David Pepper believes the Buckeye State's 18 Electoral College votes are up for grabs in 2020.

"As is happening across the nation, Democrats are energized, formerly Republican suburbs are trending blue and voters across the state are waking up to Donald Trump's many broken promises," he said in a news release.

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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:26 am

Irritant Bret Stephens* is back at it, asking a Democratic POTUS candidate on David Gura's UP program on MSNBC this morning a question that he framed like this (paraphrasing the question): "Do you think a Democrat can win by offering LOTS OF FREE STUFF AND HEALTH CARE TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS?"

His questions are like push polls. His framing is something VDARE or Breitbart would be proud of.

*I'm not going to call him a roach because then he'd whine and compare that name-calling to the deaths of millions of people in the Holocaust. At the end of the day, he is as desperate as the people he writes for to be deemed a victim.

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Tom Steyer to join U.S. Democratic debate in October

U.S. Democratic presidential hopeful Tom Steyer, a billionaire environmentalist and political donor, said on Sunday he has qualified to participate in the fourth Democratic debate in October, putting him on stage alongside the leading contenders for the first time.

The 62-year-old former hedge fund manager from San Francisco, who is not well-known beyond political circles, will be one of 11 candidates who has met the Democratic National Committee's minimum requirements to participate in the Ohio debate on Oct. 15-16.

Steyer launched his self-funded campaign to win the White House in November 2020 on July 9 after saying earlier this year that he would not run and focus on efforts to impeach President Donald Trump. His campaign is focusing on getting corporate money out of U.S. politics.

He has worked for years on climate change and voter engagement and donated about $170 million since 2015 to his independent political action committees, Need to Impeach and NextGen America.

During the 2017-2018 election cycle, he was the second-largest donor to Democratic and liberal candidates and causes, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

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Warren waves away talk of a debate confrontation with Biden

The Democratic debate in Houston this week has been billed as Elizabeth Warren's first chance to go head-to-head with former Vice President Joe Biden now that she has reached top-tier status in an array of national and state polls.

But her strategy, the Massachusetts senator suggested Saturday, will be to avoid criticizing the other Democrats on stage, including Biden.

“All I can do is stand up and talk about why I'm running,” Warren told ABC News’ Rachel Scott before speaking at the New Hampshire Democratic Convention on Saturday. "I'm not here to criticize any other Democrat or anyone else's campaign." ...

While Warren has avoided criticizing the former vice president explicitly on the campaign trail, this will not be the first time the two have an opportunity to air out their disagreements. More than a decade ago, Warren, then a Harvard Law School professor, testified against a bankruptcy bill that she said would hurt struggling families at the expense of credit card companies. Biden, a supporter of the bill, was tasked with questioning Warren. ...

Asked about the upcoming debate, Biden said Friday that sharing a stage with candidates like Warren, "will be a good thing.”

“I’ve never had to break through,” Biden said as he left a campaign stop in Laconia, New Hampshire. “Anyway, I’m looking forward to it.”

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LA Times - Robert Kuttner
Opinion: There’s a reason populists like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are gaining on Joe Biden

Looking beyond personalities, Thursday’s Democratic debate will be about three fundamentally different paths to 2020: embrace moderation; mobilize a “majority-minority” electorate; or come out strongly as economic populists.

Populists Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are gaining on Joe Biden, not because they perform better on their feet but because they have the more compelling story of what ails America. The problem with a centrist politics of returning America to “normal,” as Biden commends, is that normal meant a four-decades slide in the living standards for most Americans. That brand of normal brought us Donald Trump.

Centrism in practice has meant a Democratic Party in the pocket of Wall Street. When 15 Democratic senators voted with Republicans in March 2018 to weaken the Dodd-Frank Act, it was not because the constituents of senators such as Michael Bennet of Colorado, Tom Carper of Delaware or Tim Kaine of Virginia were urging more license for investment bankers. The vote was pure inside baseball on behalf of financial elites.

The all-too-accurate perception that Democrats haven’t stood up for working people gave Trump his opening in 2016. His strategy was to racialize grievances that were in reality a complex stew of cultural and economic. Hillary Clinton, running as a social liberal on race, gender and other forms of identity, while taking large speaking fees from Wall Street, fell right into the trap — letting the plutocrat Trump play the populist. ...

To win, the Democrats need to address race in the context of common pocketbook interests. For decades, the entire working and middle class, of all races and identities, has suffered in an economy that rigs the rules in favor of the wealthiest. ...

If the election is about drastic economic change to benefit working people generally, it will bridge differences and not default to an election about identity. Trump talked a good game about making America great for working families, but he delivered little. In an election mainly about pocketbook issues, he is vulnerable.

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Eight Dem presidential candidates appear in campaign for gun safety at schools ...

In the video, titled "Our Kids Deserve to be Safe at School," the candidates called for the passage of stricter gun laws, which they said would prevent mass shootings at schools.

It is the first ad in a series produced by Giffords's Courage to Fight Gun Violence that will air around this week's third Democratic primary debate.

The video is edited to make it seem like the eight candidates are finishing each other's sentences, emphasizing the candidates' united front on the need for stricter gun laws to protect children.

Former Vice President Joe Biden, former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (Texas), South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sens. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Kamala Harris (Calif.), Cory Booker (N.J.) and Amy Klobuchar (Minn.) all participated in the video.

All eight will appear in the third Democratic primary debate this Thursday along with entrepreneur Andre Yang and former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro.

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CNN: Joe Biden expected to argue in upcoming debate that 'we need more than plans'
Business Insider: Democratic primary voters expect Elizabeth Warren to crush the third 2020 Democratic debate, while expectations of Joe Biden have taken a sharp downturn

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Poll: Democrats Most Like Warren, But Voters Overall Are Lukewarm On Democrats, Trump

Elizabeth Warren is on the rise among Democratic voters, but she and other Democrats are less popular with the overall electorate, raising concerns about a bruising primary that could go on for the better part of the next year, a new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll finds. ...

Warren on the rise

Warren finds herself in a strong position with Democratic voters ahead of Thursday's Democratic presidential debate.

Seventy-five percent of Democratic voters now say they have a favorable impression of Warren — that's up from 53% in January, the last time the poll asked the favorability of candidates or potential candidates. That's a whopping 22-point jump.

What's more, those saying they have a negative impression has gone down from 17% to 11%.

"Elizabeth Warren seems to be on the verge of starting to make significant and serious inroads into this contest," said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion, which conducts the poll. He added, "Heading into the debate, she's very well positioned."

Biden holding up

Former Vice President Joe Biden, who leads in most national polls of the Democratic contest, is also well liked, but he's seen a decline since January — 71% of Democrats say they have a positive impression of Biden, a 5-point drop, and 22% don't, an 11-point increase in his negative rating.

"One of the initial senses of what Joe Biden presented was that he seemed to be less of a risk," Miringoff said, "but his performance so far has not been gaffe-proof, and, as a result, people are not as comfortable, and that opened up the door for others, and particularly Warren." ...

The broader electorate isn't quite sold on either of Biden or Warren. Biden has the higher name recognition, and voters overall give him just a 45% favorable, 46% unfavorable rating. Voters are similarly split on Warren, who gets a 41% favorable and 42% unfavorable rating.
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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:40 am

Looking forward to seeing this although 3 hours seems like a lot to ask people to tune in to.
The third Democratic debate — and the first to feature all the major candidates onstage together — will be a three-hour extravaganza taking place this Thursday, September 12, from 8 pm to 11 pm ET in Houston, Texas, and broadcast on ABC.
The uncertainty of broad, sweeping, hugely expensive changes isn't what my friends are looking for. They've looked to Biden as a moderate compared to what will be $1 billion presidential ad budget spent on SOCIALISM if it's a strong progressive. The GOP has nothing, what's even their agenda this Fall? The 2016 campaign rarely dealt with issues, rightly or wrongly... and Donald is going to try to keep it that way. So I hope we can find a candidate who doesn't scare voters. Get elected, then announce further plans, people know the basics of what the Democratic Party stands for. And I wish someone would say if you hear it called the "Democrat Party", the person saying it is maliciously incorrect (or stupid) so anything else they say is bogus.
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I may be a wimp, but that's why I want Biden. He's a decent person whose policies are close to the center. We have a national emergency and must unseat the Putinpuppet now despoiling American democracy and its institutions, to say nothing of the international structures that have kept the world from war for over 70 years.

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ABC News: Trump campaign to counter Dems' debate by flying massive banner blasting socialism ...

President Donald Trump's campaign intends to counter-program the Democratic primary debate hosted by ABC News and Univision with an ad blitz that includes two full-page newspaper ads and flying a massive banner in the air that blasts socialism just before candidates take the stage.

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ABC News: Trump campaign to counter Dems' debate by flying massive banner blasting socialism ...

President Donald Trump's campaign intends to counter-program the Democratic primary debate hosted by ABC News and Univision with an ad blitz that includes two full-page newspaper ads and flying a massive banner in the air that blasts socialism just before candidates take the stage.
Good! Maybe this will get the media to actual talk about policies that fall under the rubric of socialism, rather than using it as scare word. And if not, maybe a few voters will make a positive connection between socialism and what the candidates are talking about.
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Deadline: How To Watch The Third Democratic Debate On TV And Online

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:32 am
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:25 am
ABC News: Trump campaign to counter Dems' debate by flying massive banner blasting socialism ...

President Donald Trump's campaign intends to counter-program the Democratic primary debate hosted by ABC News and Univision with an ad blitz that includes two full-page newspaper ads and flying a massive banner in the air that blasts socialism just before candidates take the stage.
Good! Maybe this will get the media to actual talk about policies that fall under the rubric of socialism, rather than using it as scare word. And if not, maybe a few voters will make a positive connection between socialism and what the candidates are talking about.
Setting aside Medicare and Social Security, the only socialism today is for the billionaires, the land speculators and the farmers. On economic issues, the Democratic Party today would be comfortable with Dick Nixon circa 1969-1973 leading it. Even "Obamacare" is just the Heritage Foundation's health plan.

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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:52 pm

They get more time to answer in this debate. Don't understand why they don't get closing statements, it's a 3 hour event.
Who is moderating the 3rd debate?
Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos, "World News Tonight" Anchor David Muir, ABC News Correspondent Linsey Davis and Univision Anchor Jorge Ramos will moderate the debate on Thursday.

What is the format for the 3rd Democratic debate?
The presidential hopefuls will have one minute and 15 seconds for direct responses to questions and 45 seconds for responses and rebuttals. Candidates will have the opportunity to deliver opening statements, but there will be no closing statements.
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