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Re: Democratic Debates 2020 Presidential

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Post by Addie » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:50 pm

I thought Bernie and Elizabeth both did great tonight. Beto and Klobuchar did well, too. Williamson did a bit better than last time. I didn't hear enough from my man Pete, but what I heard was good, natch. I wish he was on tomorrow night, too. I could have gone the rest of my life without hearing from Delaney, Ryan and Bullock.

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Re: Democratic Debates 2020 Presidential

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Post by Turtle » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:06 pm

Some of them are realizing they can go over time and just talk over the moderators.

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Post by TexasFilly » Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:54 pm

I thought Pete was great also. Bullock was a disappointment, spoke mostly in platitudes. I have never been a Tim Ryan fan but after his first two statements, he got stronger and started to make sense. His response about moving to electric vehicles was practical and sensible. Amy was shaking like a leaf. We were worried about her health. Marianne Moonbeam was wearing stiletto heels and almost fell on her ass when she walked onto the stage. Delaney is a rich prick who successfully occupied a lot of screen time. Those are my intellectual observations.
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Re: Democratic Debates 2020 Presidential

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Post by Foggy » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:04 am

TexasFilly wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:54 pm
Marianne Moonbeam was wearing stiletto heels and almost fell on her ass when she walked onto the stage.
Yeah but then she said "dark psychic energy" and my EEG went kablooie. :lovestruck:
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Re: Democratic Debates 2020 Presidential

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Post by Addie » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:55 am

I didn't notice that. I don't have a TV and watching the youtube wasn't ideal. I might watch the second half this morning yet, maybe. Also too, I'm thinking they should bring back the League of Women Voters to run the debates, I don't like how the TV pundits run them.
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... Amy was shaking like a leaf. We were worried about her health.

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Post by Addie » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:20 am

Associated Press: AP FACT CHECK: Off notes from Democrats on climate, economy
CNN: Debate coach: Elizabeth Warren gets an A+
Vox - Ezra Klein: Pete Buttigieg had the most important answer at the Democratic debate

Buttigieg is right about why Democrats keep failing to pass their big plans.
Bloomberg - Jonathan Bernstein: Can Someone Please Vote CNN Off the Stage?

The Democratic debate on Tuesday night failed to showcase important issues because its moderators were too busy showcasing themselves.
The Hill: CNN roasted over debate production, format: 'A disservice to serious people'
Politico: Moderates warn that Sanders, Warren risk throwing 2020 to Trump

Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, Rep. Tim Ryan and ex-Rep. John Delaney spent the debate saying liberal policies would alienate swing voters.
New Republic: This Is the Soul of the Democratic Party

Warren and Sanders easily countered attacks from desperate moderates at Tuesday's debate and delivered compelling visions for America.
The Atlantic: Why Millennial Socialists Aren’t Into Elizabeth Warren

The young progressives who gathered in D.C. last night to watch the Democratic debate believe Bernie Sanders is their best bet to overhaul the system.
Courthouse News: Bernie Sanders Campaign Reports Big Post-Debate Boost

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Re: Democratic Debates 2020 Presidential

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Post by Addie » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:37 pm

WaPo
Who talked the most during the first night of the second Democratic debate

Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders grabbed more airtime than the other candidates on Tuesday night, speaking for nearly 18 minutes apiece. From center stage, the pair fielded questions and defended their stances on liberal policies such as Medicare-for-all and the wealth tax. CNN moderators often pitted them against centrists like former Maryland congressman John Delaney and Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, giving those outside candidates more talking time than would have been expected, given their position in the polls.
Adding:
Hollywood Reporter: Democratic Debate Ratings on CNN Take Steep Fall From Round 1

The news network's coverage of the 10 candidates slides by more than 40 percent over the first debate of the primary cycle in late June.
New York Mag - Eric Levitz: Here’s Who Won (and Lost) the Second Democratic Debate, Night One
WaPo: Delaney says Warren’s put-down of him on the debate stage was ‘dishonest’ and ‘lazy’
The Guardian: It's Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren v the 'No We Can't' Democrats
Axios: Progressives own the first debate night
Vox: America deserves a debate between Joe Biden and his main progressive critics

Elizabeth Warren versus John Delaney is not the drama we’ve been craving.
Politico - John F. Harris: It’s a center-left party after all

Sanders and Warren kept their voices but a parade of centrists finally found theirs.

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Re: Democratic Debates 2020 Presidential

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Post by p0rtia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:25 pm

Bullock can go fuck himself. That is all.
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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:47 pm

Kirsten Gillibrand is kicking ass in this debate. For everyone else it's a circular firing squad. Joe is doing better but he's still meh. Booker warns about giving ammo to Trump and then he does it, too. I'm becoming less and less enamored with Kamala Harris. I really like Jay Inslee. Unfortunately a Gillibrand-Inslee ticket would be a little too white.

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Post by TexasFilly » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:48 pm

Is anyone else bored with tonight's debate?
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Post by pipistrelle » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:53 pm

TexasFilly wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:48 pm
Is anyone else bored with tonight's debate?
No. But then I'm not watching it. :D

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Post by bob » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:07 pm

Twitter aflutter that a hot mic caught Biden telling Harris, "go easy on me, kid."
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Post by p0rtia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:27 pm

I <3 Joe Inslee.
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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:30 pm

p0rtia wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:27 pm
I <3 Joe Inslee.
:like:

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Post by Lani » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:52 pm

bob wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:07 pm
Twitter aflutter that a hot mic caught Biden telling Harris, "go easy on me, kid."
I thought he was just joking with her.
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Post by bob » Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:53 pm

Lani wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:52 pm
bob wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:07 pm
Twitter aflutter that a hot mic caught Biden telling Harris, "go easy on me, kid."
I thought he was just joking with her.
He probably was. Still, some were not amused.
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Post by TexasFilly » Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:24 am

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:30 pm
p0rtia wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:27 pm
I <3 Joe Inslee.
:like:
Pssst: His name is Jay.
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Post by p0rtia » Thu Aug 01, 2019 7:02 am

TexasFilly wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:24 am
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:30 pm
p0rtia wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:27 pm
I <3 Joe Inslee.
:like:
Pssst: His name is Jay.
:bag: Past my bedtime.
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Post by Addie » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:58 am

Newsweek: Racist, Anti-Immigrant Flyer Turns Up at Texas University a Month Before Democratic Debate Comes to Town

A month before the third Democratic 2020 presidential debates come to one university in Houston, a flyer that appeared both racist and anti-immigrant showed up at another school.

Cordero Lopez, a student at Rice University, posted a photo of the flyer on Twitter. The flyer shows a cartoon image of the four freshman Democratic congresswoman of color known as "The Squad"—reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.), Ayanna Pressley (Mass.) and Rashida Tlaib (Mich.).

Above the drawing, the flyer states "Send them back." And underneath the photo of the women, it reads, "deport the commie brown infestation."

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Post by Addie » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:48 am

Somebody's not happy.

The Vindicator
Ryan, who won’t qualify for next presidential debate, criticizes the process ...

“It’s horse[bleep],” he said. “It’s not a fair process. We’re weeding people out in August. Bill Clinton didn’t get into the [1992] campaign until October 1991. They’re trying to shut out the more moderate voices of the party. To start eliminating people now isn’t fair.” ...

To qualify for the third presidential debate in Houston in September, candidates need at least 130,000 unique donors, with a minimum of 400 different donors from at least 20 states, and at least 2 percent support in four qualifying polls from June 28 to Aug. 28.

Ryan reported he had about 13,000 donors as of June 30. That’s since grown, he said without giving specifics. But it’s not close to the 130,000 needed. Also, he hasn’t polled at 2 percent in any qualifying poll since June 28. ...

When asked about Steyer, Ryan said, “Why create a system where a billionaire can buy his way onto the debate stage? The 130,000 number is not reflective of the Democratic electorate.”

The debate is scheduled for Sept. 12 with Sept. 13 as an additional date if more than 10 candidates qualify. To date, nine qualify. Like Steyer, Julian Castro, a former U.S. Housing and Urban Development secretary, needs just one more poll to qualify.

The threshold to qualify for the first two debates – June 26 and 27, and July 30 and 31 – were either 1 percent in three qualifying polls or 65,000 unique donors with preference given to those who had both. Ryan qualified both times through polls, getting an advantage over others because he received 2 percent in a University of New Hampshire poll of that state’s Democrats.

Despite being excluded from the September debate and almost certainly the October debate as it has similar requirements – though the Aug. 28 deadline will be extended to an unspecified date – Ryan said he’s continuing to campaign. ...

“Other candidates are getting out and stumbling while we’ve been getting a ton of media,” Ryan said. “We’re going to keep going. We’re continuing to build this out. I’m running a start-up operation. I’m in it to win it.”

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Post by Addie » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:43 pm

NPR: Julián Castro Is 10th Democrat To Qualify For September Presidential Debate

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Post by Addie » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:16 am

The Hill
ABC unveils moderators for third Democratic debate ...

The debate will be moderated by ABC chief anchor George Stephanopoulos, "World News Tonight" anchor David Muir, ABC News correspondent Linsey Davis and Univision anchor Jorge Ramos, the network announced.

The debate will be held at Texas Southern University on Sept. 12. A second debate will be held on Sept. 13 if more than 10 candidates qualify.

So far, 10 candidates have met the requirements for the debate, which the Democratic National Committee (DNC) raised after the first two debates featured 20 candidates seeking the nomination to challenge President Trump.

The qualifying candidates are former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro, former Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas), Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and tech entrepreneur Andrew Yang.

Candidates have until Aug. 28 to qualify for the debate by receiving donations from at least 130,000 individual donors and reaching at least 2 percent in four DNC-approved polls.

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Post by Addie » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:49 pm

Shitheads.
HuffPo: Democratic National Committee Votes To Reject Climate Debate

The vote came a day after the 2020 climate candidate Jay Inslee, who had been pushing for the debate, dropped out of the race.


The Democratic National Committee has rejected a proposal to host a single-issue debate on the climate crisis.

At a party conference Thursday in San Francisco, top DNC officials voted 17-8 against a resolution that had become a cause célèbre for activists and for more than a dozen presidential contenders who felt the traditional debate format failed to adequately address the looming threat of catastrophe.

The DNC voted in favor of another resolution to sanction a less-formal forum on the issue.

It was a predictable outcome. Top brass at the DNC opposed the climate debate from the get-go, fearing it could sow discord in the base and hamper the eventual nominee in the general election. CNN and MSNBC announced plans last month to host forums on climate change in September. DNC Chair Tom Perez affirmed the forums in a resolution introduced earlier this month, which some activists saw as setting the stage for voting down the climate debate.

Symone Sanders, a senior adviser of presidential candidate Joe Biden, was among those who urged the DNC committee on Thursday to vote down a climate debate, saying it would be “dangerous territory in the middle of a Democratic primary process.”

That contrasts with what Biden had earlier said during a campaign stop in Iowa this summer. The former vice president had endorsed having a climate debate, telling Greenpeace, “I’m all in.”

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Re: Democratic Debates 2020 Presidential

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Post by Addie » Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:31 am

WaPo
Hard choice ahead for low-polling Democrats

Low-polling candidates are facing banishment from the prime-time glow of a national audience. The party's rules for the next faceoff, on Sept. 12 and 13, will cut off any candidate who can't score at least 2 percent in four approved polls and attract 130,000 donors.

After the first two Democratic debates, Rep. Tim Ryan's audiences grew from two or three people to 20. Former congressman John Delaney noticed an uptick in people approaching him in airports: "They grab my shoulder and say, 'Hang in there. Your message is what we need to hear.' "

But now those low-polling candidates, and at least six others, are facing banishment from the prime-time glow of a national audience. The party's rules for the next faceoff, on Sept. 12 and 13, will cut off any candidate who can't score at least 2 percent in four approved polls and attract 130,000 donors.

That means the first real winnowing of this historically large field is at hand. About half the current candidates could be tossed off the debate stage and see their profiles sharply downgraded within days - a change likely to be cheered by many Democratic voters, who often say they find the sprawling field overwhelming.

It also presents those candidates with a tough choice as the Aug. 28 deadline to qualify approaches. Do they gracefully bow out of the presidential race, hoping to preserve goodwill and maybe a chance at higher office? Or do they become "zombie" candidates, staying alive long after the viability of their presidential dreams has ended?

That dilemma is prompting difficult conversations in many campaigns.

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Post by p0rtia » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:54 am

Addie wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:49 pm
Shitheads.
HuffPo: Democratic National Committee Votes To Reject Climate Debate

The vote came a day after the 2020 climate candidate Jay Inslee, who had been pushing for the debate, dropped out of the race.

The Democratic National Committee has rejected a proposal to host a single-issue debate on the climate crisis.
:snippity:

It was a predictable outcome. Top brass at the DNC opposed the climate debate from the get-go, fearing it could sow discord in the base and hamper the eventual nominee in the general election.

:snippity:
Which "base" is that, I wonder? Because I thought I was part of the Democratic "base", and I think the choice to oppose climate debate is the sower of discord. Or maybe they mean "base" the way MSM uses it 99 percent of the time: 45's "base". Maybe "base" now means looney right-wing science-deniers who are the only ones the count.

Or maybe they were translating from the Arabic.
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