All the President's Lies

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Trump Reiterates Falsehood About California Water Diversions

California officials not sure what to make of presidential claims


President Donald Trump on Monday again falsely stated that the California government is diverting river water into the Pacific Ocean that could be used to fight forest fires, but he also signaled he will fast-track federal help.

For the second consecutive day, the president took to Twitter to contend Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown’s administration is sending water from “the North” into the Pacific Ocean. Trump contended Monday that water could be used for “fires, farming and everything else.”

The California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection has been puzzled by the claims from the president, according to Fox News. But that has not stopped Trump from calling out Brown by name. ...

A day later, the president used the same tweet with the false water claim to promise "Fast Federal govt. approvals.” That likely references either future federal funding assistance or his approval to move water stored in federal facilities to help fight the California fires.


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Post by Addie » Mon Aug 06, 2018 6:31 pm

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Trump Loses a Battle in His War on Truth

President Donald Trump admitted over the weekend that the true purpose of the 2016 Trump Tower meeting between his senior campaign team and a group of Russians was to obtain actionable information on Hillary Clinton. The admission is a landmark in Trump's awkward struggle to contain the Russia scandal. But it may also signal a landmark defeat in Trump's larger battle against truth.

The essential tool of democratic politics is speech. As Karlyn Kohrs Campbell and Kathleen Hall Jamieson wrote in “Deeds Done in Words,” their study of U.S. presidential rhetoric, “Public communication is the medium through which the national fabric is woven.”

Trump's furious assault on truth claws at that fabric daily. But it has yet to shred it. When he is forced to retreat from falsehoods -- such as the series of lies that he and his aides told about the Trump Tower meeting -- it's a victory for truth and for democratic institutions.

While Trump's unprecedented dishonesty is well-documented -- see Susan Glasser's fine piece last week in the New Yorker -- it's still unclear what it means for American democracy. "I don't believe our democracy can function for long on lies," writes former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper in a new book.

That's no doubt true. But how many political lies, of what sort, does it take to break the democratic camel’s back? ...

The courts, which continue to value evidence over propaganda, have arguably been the most successful defense against Trump's assault. The news media, which still struggles to convey Trump's unique unfitness, has embraced fact-checking -- a truth test -- as a useful, if incomplete, heuristic for Trump's undemocratic ways. (Although Fox News and some other right-wing outlets seem more devoted than ever to propaganda.) Even Congress, which has a rich history of hypocrisy, evasion and untruths, appears to be no more fertile ground for lies today than in the pre-Trump era.


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Post by Fortinbras » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:34 pm

It may happen that, altho the latest revelation about Don Jr's meeting with the Russians does not amount to an impeachable offense nor an indictment against Pres. Trump, it could send Junior to the slammer (for lying to Congress among other things). At that point, to save Junior from having to worry about his soap, Daddy might work a deal in which he steps down in return for a break for his son.

And, of course, altho Manafort is being prosecuted for crimes in which Trump was uninvolved, when the prospect of spending years in a different sort of gated community presents itself, Manafort - and others similarly situated - may opt to regale Meuller and others with interesting anecdotes about the President.

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Post by Gregg » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:50 am

Screw Manafort. I hope that Mueller gives up on him and says, in effect, he doesn't need anything that Manafort could tell him, and he hopes that he enjoys his retirement in prison.


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Post by Volkonski » Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:52 am

The nation should have sent more white people to college. :(

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Post by Till Eulenspiegel » Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:58 am

College Degree, is that 9th grade? (Asking for myself) .


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Post by Foggy » Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:17 am

No, generally it means 16th grade, provided that you finish. It's not a specific number of years after 12th grade, there are varying requirements ... and there are 2 year colleges in addition to 4 year colleges.


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Post by Addie » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:02 am

A wrestling term, apparently. :confused:
Associated Press: We’re all living in President Trump’s kayfabe world, says Jonah Goldberg


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Post by Slim Cognito » Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:19 am

Volkonski wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:52 am
The nation should have sent more white people to college. :(

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How long before Trump tweets about his 58% approval level from Gallup?


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Post by Volkonski » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:40 am


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The AP says that Trump is "pulling numbers out of thin air" when it comes to the economy, jobs and the deficit. "The numbers don't even come close" to the reality.

8:00 AM - 12 Aug 2018
TRUMP: “Great financial numbers being announced on an almost daily basis. Economy has never been better, jobs at best point in history.” — tweet Monday.

THE FACTS: He’s exaggerating. The economy is healthy now, but it has been in better shape at many times in the past.

Growth reached 4.1 percent at an annual rate in the second quarter, which Trump highlighted late last month with remarks at the White House. But it’s only the best in the past four years. So far, the economy is expanding at a modest rate compared with previous economic expansions. In the late 1990s, growth topped 4 percent for four straight years, from 1997 through 2000. And in the 1980s expansion, growth even reached 7.2 percent in 1984.

It’s not clear what Trump specifically means when he declares that jobs are at the “best point in history,” but based on several indicators, he’s off the mark.


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Post by kate520 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:22 pm

kayfabe:
In professional wrestling, kayfabe /ˈkeɪfeɪb/ is the portrayal of staged events within the industry as "real" or "true", specifically the portrayal of competition, rivalries, and relationships between participants as being genuine and not of a staged or predetermined nature of any kind. Kayfabe has also evolved to become a code word of sorts for maintaining this "reality" within the direct or indirect presence of the general public.[1]

Kayfabe is often seen as the suspension of disbelief that is used to create the non-wrestling aspects of promotions, such as feuds, angles, and gimmicks, in a manner similar to other forms of fictional entertainment. In relative terms, a wrestler breaking kayfabe during a show would be likened to an actor breaking character on-camera. Also, since wrestling is performed in front of a live audience, whose interaction with the show is crucial to its success, kayfabe can be compared to the fourth wall in acting, since hardly any conventional fourth wall exists to begin with. In general, anything in a professional wrestling show is to some extent scripted, or "kayfabe", even though at times it is portrayed as legitimate.
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Post by Addie » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:49 am

WaPo - Greg Sargent
Once again, Trump blows up his own lies

An intriguing pattern is developing: President Trump resolves to strike a blow against the Russia investigation. He enlists his people in developing a rationale for his pending action that disguises its real motive. He carries out the act. He releases a carefully vetted statement elaborating that fake rationale. He then blows up the fake rationale by forthrightly declaring in a freewheeling interview that the act was really about the Russia probe all along.

The latest example of this: In an interview with the Wall Street Journal published Wednesday night, Trump openly declared that his revocation of former CIA director John Brennan’s security clearance was actually about the Russia investigation.

The detailed statement that the White House released Wednesday to justify this act only referred obliquely to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe, insisting Brennan had misrepresented the importance of the “Steele dossier” to the investigation. (This was the latest in a dishonest effort to spin that dossier as proof the probe is tainted. In fact, independent reporting confirmed its genesis was legitimately based on other information.) The statement’s reasons were that Brennan publicly criticized the administration — this was stated openly — but also, absurdly, that this fact helps our “adversaries” to “sow division.” The statement also argued that Brennan’s “erratic” behavior poses “risks” that disqualify him from holding clearance.

The last two of those are straight up falsehoods. If anything, public criticism of Trump’s posture toward Russia makes it politically harder for him to do nothing about the next round of Russian efforts to “sow division” via more electoral sabotage. The “risk” from Brennan, then, is only a political risk to Trump, which isn’t disqualifying.


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Post by AndyinPA » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:08 pm

I've never seen a better example of projection than twitler accusing Brennan of being unhinged.



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Post by Foggy » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:12 am

Addie, I was THIS CLOSE to fixin' your YouTube, and POOF! "This post does not exist." :lol:


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Post by Addie » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:38 am

Thanks anyway, Fogs :blink:
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Post by Fortinbras » Mon Aug 20, 2018 9:27 pm

Guiliiani's very recent bit of nonsense - "Truth isn't truth" - besides having a haunting effect, seems to be an announcement made well in advance that, if put under oath, Trump would lie. Just like he does when he's not under oath.

In the Code of Professional Responsibility for lawyers, lawyers are instructed, rather forcefully, not to allow their clients to commit or promote perjury, and if they happen to have a client whose is determined to do so, to scrape that client off pdq and let him find another lawyer and/or become truthful. But it seems that Guiliani is shackled to Trump and cannot quit him. So he's talking this nonsense to try to prepare a defense to a perjury charge; it is nonsense but there really isn't any reasonable way to try to excuse a pathological liar.

Before this is all over Guiliani might be disbarred and Trump might be locked up.



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Post by Kendra » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:00 pm


He believes reporters lie and sources lie because he lies and did so when he was an "anonymous" source.



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Post by tek » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:02 pm

Projection once again..


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Post by Turtle » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:12 pm

That's sorta the game the WH press office is playing now. Host a conference call or backroom meeting where they give out info under the condition that it be on background. This way they can say whatever (true or not) and when it gets printed, Trump just tells everyone not to believe them because they don't name a source.



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BuzzFeed News
Donald Trump Fabricated A Near-Death Experience, Three Biographies Say

It's a harrowing tale of real estate mogul Donald Trump narrowly escaping death: After meeting with Trump casino executives Stephen Hyde, Mark Grossinger Etess, and Jonathan Benanav, Trump at the last minute decides to not join them on their helicopter ride back to Atlantic City. ...

"Donald is still sitting in his office commiserating with some of his staff when he gets a call from yet another reporter," reads Harry Hurt's biography of The Donald, Lost Tycoon. "He switches on the speakerphone so that he can hear what the reporter is saying but puts on the mute button so the reporter cannot hear what is being said in the Trump Tower office."

"Mr. Trump, I know this must be horrible for you," the book quotes a reporter on the other line "I know it must be terrible for you to lose your three top casino executives all in the same day. I'm so sorry about what happened...I guess the only thing that could have been worse is if you had been on the helicopter with them."

Trump, according to the book, then looked at one of his vice presidents and said he needed to get publicity out of the incident. ...

"Then Donald releases the mute button on his speakerphone and informs the reporter, 'You know, I was going to go with them on that helicopter…' Donald goes on to confide that for some unexplained reason he changed his mind and decided not to go," the book reads.


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WaPo - The Fact Checker
Anatomy of a Trump rally: 68 percent of claims are false, misleading or lacking evidence

More than two-thirds of every factual claim made by President Trump at two of his rallies turns out to be false, misleading or unsupported by evidence.

In July, The Fact Checker examined every factual claim made by the president at a rally in Montana. He returned to Montana on Sept. 6, and we decided once again to put every statement of material fact to the truth test to see whether the July rally was an outlier.

In July, 76 percent of his 98 statements were false, misleading or unsupported by the evidence. Last week the tally, out of 88 statements, was 68 percent. The average percentage for the two rallies was 72 percent. ...

All told, on Sept. 6, only 32 percent of his statements could be considered accurate or mostly accurate. At both events, at least 40 percent of his claims were false or mostly false.

Small wonder then that the president is on the cusp of surpassing 5,000 false or misleading claims since the start of his presidency, according to The Fact Checker’s database.


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Trump questions number of deaths attributed to Hurricane Maria, falsely says Democrats created a higher count to make him look bad

President Trump took issue Thursday with the number of deaths attributable to Hurricane Maria, falsely saying a higher count had been generated by Democrats to “make me look as bad as possible.”

A sweeping report from George Washington University released last month estimated there were 2,975 “excess deaths” in the six months after the storm made landfall in Puerto Rico in September 2017.

Trump said on Twitter that “they had anywhere from 6 to 18 deaths” at the time he visited the island after the storm.

“As time went by it did not go up by much,” Trump wrote. “Then, a long time later, they started to report really large numbers, like 3000. ... This was done by the Democrats in order to make me look as bad as possible when I was successfully raising Billions of Dollars to help rebuild Puerto Rico. If a person died for any reason, like old age, just add them onto the list. Bad politics. I love Puerto Rico!” ...

Contrary to Trump’s characterization in his tweets, the study did not attempt to catalog particular individuals who died because of Maria. Instead, the study made a comparison of mortality rates with what would have been expected without a natural disaster. Given the methodology, there was not an opportunity to misclassify someone who died from old age, as Trump suggested.


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Trump questions number of deaths attributed to Hurricane Maria, falsely says Democrats created a higher count to make him look bad

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Post by kate520 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:03 am

His bubble is made of Teflon. How does he function, seriously?


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