"The Media is a goddam problem" General Thread

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RoadScholar wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:36 am
Not MSNBC. I have challenged others, and now you, to show me a single instance of them broadcasting lies.

Not difference of opinion about a fact, a non-fact.

Broadcasting intentional misinformation is the sole province of Fox ‘News’ and other right-wing media.
I agree. And not because I am a left wing nut. I grew up on Fox "news" and quit watching it all on my own without the input of any single person's opinion, other than I finally figured out how utterly and completely devoid of actual real facts I was becoming, and realizing that virtually every single other outlet had the same facts as each other, if not the same pundits with the same opinions about those facts. But... the same facts nonetheless. Fox and right wing outlets have a non reality all of their own.

The deep dive Fox has taken into the Trump cult was inevitable. They had themselves wrapped so tightly around the Republican party that when Trump took over the party they had no place to go except right into the belly of the cult. I don't know how they pull themselves out of it, I don't see it. But, what I do know is they can do a 180 in the same sentence and their brainwashed cult viewers don't even notice the dissonance.
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Vox: Coverage of the first impeachment hearing illustrates how the media is falling short

The first public impeachment hearing on Wednesday featured testimony from two State Department officials, Bill Taylor and George Kent, who detailed why they concluded that President Donald Trump’s Ukraine policy was not about the national interest, but about digging up dirt on his political opponents. It also included a new revelation about a July phone call involving Trump that indicated just how focused the president was on cajoling the Ukrainian government into undertaking politically beneficial investigations.

The proceedings got to the very core of what the office of the presidency is supposed to be about in our country. It was the stuff of history. But to hear Reuters and NBC tell it, one of the major faults of the hearing was that it simply lacked pizzazz.

Both outlets were roundly dragged for posting news analysis stories that focused on the entertainment value (or purported lack thereof) of the hearing. NBC’s piece, authored by Jonathan Allen, claimed that the hearing “lacked the pizazz necessary to capture public attention” — a turn of phrase that quickly became a meme and echoed the talking points Trump family members and administration officials used.
The article features Jeff Mason's (you know, the head of the WHCA!) piece entitled "Consequential, but Dull," among others. That particular headline sent me through the roof yesterday, and inspired me to send Mason an angry tweet that I thought he was a better reporter than that. I don't know how we're supposed to function in a world where reporters are covering things like this in approximately the same fashion as professional wrestling announcers.
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Interesting challenge. I accept!

What constitutes "lying" for the purposes of showing that "MSNBC lies"?

- Is there a restriction on "who" is lying? Must it be a show host? Just someone on the payroll?

- What about lies of ignorance/ lazy lies?

- What about generalizations (intellectual lies), and a failure to identify who is being talked about? I admit I am triggered every time someone says, for example "New Hampshire voters" as if any group these days is best defined by a single character--whilst in the next segment someone is sure to use "polarization" to support the ineffectiveness of government institutions today.

- What about common misstatements of fact, e.g., "Americans voted for 45," to support a point?

- What about spinning and cherry picking the facts to support a lie (trolling)?

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When they have broadcast something in error, they have issued an on-air retraction. I’ve seen it. Good luck finding an instance of Fox doing the same.

But based on your weasel-word qualifications, it’s plain you have no interest in finding an instance of MSNBC broadcasting a plain old lie.

You know what the hell I mean; don’t pretend you don’t.
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Well, I thought that would be fun. I guess I was wrong.

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The Christmas Eve Confessions of Chuck Todd
‘Round midnight on Christmas eve, Rolling Stone posted a short interview with Chuck Todd, host of “the longest running show on television,” NBC’s Meet the Press.

Its contents were explosive, embarrassing, enraging, and just plain weird.

Three years after Kellyanne Conway introduced the doctrine of “alternative facts” on his own program, a light went on for Chuck Todd. Republican strategy, he now realized, was to make stuff up, spread it on social media, repeat it in your answers to journalists — even when you know it’s a lie with crumbs of truth mixed in — and then convert whatever controversy arises into go-get-em points with the base, while pocketing for the party a juicy dividend: additional mistrust of the news media to help insulate President Trump among loyalists when his increasingly brazen actions are reported as news.

Todd repeatedly called himself naive for not recognizing the pattern, itself an astounding statement that cast doubt on his fitness for office as host of Meet the Press. While the theme of the interview was waking up to the truth of Republican actions in the information warfare space, Todd went to sleep on the implications of what he revealed. It took him three years to understand a fact about American politics that was there on the surface, unconcealed since the day after inauguration. Many, many interpreters had described it for him during those lost years when he could not bring himself to believe it. (I am one.)
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Published dec 24th

https://www.wonkette.com/pelosi-continu ... mpeachment
CBS News correspondent Marc Liverman reported on the impeachment standoff yesterday, and anchor Ann-Marie Green asked him about new emails revealing how Trump tried to screw over Ukraine for his own ends. Green asked Liverman, "How are the Democrats spinning it and how is the White House spinning it." Gonna stop Green right here. It's not about dueling "spins" but what the emails actually prove, which is Trump's obvious guilt. The media is gonna "both sides" us to an early grave. Maybe Pelosi should do their jobs, as well.
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An angry Nicole Wallace just blasted the Republicans in Congress (this is the morning after the Parnas - Maddow interview and the lead up to the swearing in of the Senate). I have never heard her angry like this. Her face was extraordinary. For reasons that escape me, it did my heart good.

Then Michael Steele came on and, for the very first time, was angry and upset and did not mince words. Anger directed at the hypocrisy of the Republican senators and the idea that they are about to take oaths that they have no intention of keeping.

Extraordinary Times.
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