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Post by RVInit » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:27 pm

I'm really frustrated with CNN today, more than usual. I saw clips of Republican voting women being asked about whether Trump's comments about the four congresswomen going "back where they came from" is racist. They all parroted the talking points about if these women hate America they should go live somewhere else.

Did the interviewer bother to ask those women to please tell me what exactly was said by any of the four women that makes you think they "hate America"? Of course not. I bet not one of those women would be able to actually tell us what exactly did any one of those congresswomen say that proves they "hate" America. I am getting tired of seeing these damn interviewers that can't think on their feet enough to recognize when people are parroting what they have heard as opposed to actually hearing something specific and then coming to their own conclusions about what was said.

Rant over. Carry on.

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Post by AndyinPA » Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:32 pm

Crooks and Liars had more information on these women:

https://crooksandliars.com/2019/07/texa ... -racist-he
Although CNN didn't disclose this, Google tells me that Dena Miller is the national director of Trumpettes for America, a network of socialites who work to gin up support for Trump in the media. Well done, Dena!

Gina O’Briant, Geni Manning, and Kathleen Lieberman are members of the Texas Women for Trump Coalition. So they're not your typical housewives, either.

Republican Cami Dean ran for Congress (TX-3) in 2014.

These are not ordinary Republican women. These are people who are deeply invested in Republican activism, and their appearance here tells me they can't come up with enough mainstream Republicans for this focus group. They're only talking to the true believers -- which makes Trump look more popular than he really is.
I think I also saw this on Talking Points Memo, too.

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Post by RVInit » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:35 pm

Thanks Andy. That helps.

It also brings up another point that pisses me off about CNN and other media, but I'm in too foul a mood to post right now. Maybe later.
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Post by DejaMoo » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:36 pm

That's one side of the problem. The other side, the biggest problem, is the media's lack of interest in performing actual investigative journalism, especially with the broadcast media. They've stopped asking questions. They've quit working on developing stories. They are mainly acting as a passive conduit for the corporations that own them and those who buy ad spots, and for the political party those same corporations have bought. We thus get advertising presented as news, and political propaganda unquestioningly presented as factual news, with absolutely no interest in digging deeper, in presenting alternative viewpoints.

Professional mainstream media doesn't exist anymore. There's only corporate media, local media and social media.
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Post by AndyinPA » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:40 pm

They quit doing this a long time ago. It's just getting worse and the stakes are much higher with someone like twitler in the White House and the republicans so far down the rabbit hole. :x

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Post by p0rtia » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:58 pm

So horrified by rapidly rising racist sludge that I broke down and listened to AM Joy this morning.

Good discussion on the insanity of media types repeatedly asking 45 types if what 45 said this time was racist. Like it's up for debate.

TV was still on at noon (don't judge me, I was doing exercises) and I heard various people asking Mulvaney if 45 was a racist and his chickenshit, unchallenged answer like FIVE TIMES before I threw a shoe at the TV to make it stopped.

In this one instance "threw a shoe at the TV" means "turned it off."

Same Bat Channel, wholly different effect. I swear, MSNBC sounded like the State TV. The State TV of a state I didn't want to live in. Chilling.
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Post by p0rtia » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:26 am

Jesus H Christ. Finally.

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Post by stoppingby » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:18 am

Just my general observation, but I find the media bends over backward to fit Trump into a normal presidential box. In doing so, they have normalized his abnormal behavior.

And just a pet peeve of mine: they keep implying that Trump is some sort of Svengali genius to have risen to the presidency. He's not. He's a moron who got a lot of help from Putin and the media's obsession with "OMG can you believe he said that!?" style reporting as opposed to, actually treating him like a normal candidate.

I took a bunch of journalism classes in college. This was years ago, and the journalism theory expounded at the time was that the media reports both sides, and trusts the reader to figure out which is right. However, that theory started back before their were media consultants and all of the ways they have figured out how to obfuscate things. An article I read in one of the British newspapers a few years ago did a wonderful of dissecting the flaw in this theory on the issue of climate change. Oil companies set up alleged non-profit research organizations, give them some sort of vague name like "Institute for Climate Change," fund them completely, and have them churn out junk science. Then some newspaper prints their garbage, and then prints, I dunno, some nobel prize scientist who carefully explains why its junk science, and it all goes over the average reader's head (and taxes their attention span) and the reader comes away with a "hey, the science on climate change is not clear!" theory. The British newspaper article pointed out that a British newspaper would make the judgement that the fake organization was just a shill for the oil company, and either say so, or refuse to print their information.

Journalism standards and rules need to be updated. Once corrupt people learn to game the system to their own advantage and at other's costs, you need to update your ethical standards to prevent that. And journalism has failed miserably to do so. Trump is the result of that failure.

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Post by p0rtia » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:39 am

:yeah:

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p0rtia wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:39 am
:yeah:

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:yeah: I KNOW I love you! (both) :bighug:
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Post by stoppingby » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:10 pm

RVInit wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:34 pm
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:39 am
:yeah:

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:yeah: I KNOW I love you! (both) :bighug:
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Post by Dolly » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:52 pm

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Post by p0rtia » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:21 pm

Thank you soooo much, Dolly.

This message needs to be broadcast again and again (though possibly in shorter form, ehem).

That and the need for the MSM to provide context for their reporting. Links to established facts so that every damnable lie is not repeated in isolation. We need them to adapt.
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Post by Suranis » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:48 am

The fact is that there is not enough news to fill a 24 hour news channel AND be lazy about it. Trumps shit was like manna from heaven, they could take a tweet and fill an hour or 2 with it. Or have 10 GOP shitheads coming in and they could easilly fill an hour or 3 lying about Obama or Pelosi or whoever.

But that isn't going to keep them going anymore. Trumps shit is finally, FINALLY played out. How the hell it lasted this long I have no idea. They are going to have to try and rejig themselves into something else.

If I was them I would just copy France News 24. Half an hour of News, half an hour of analyses or a special program.
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Post by Orlylicious » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:31 am

Here comes Project Veritas and CNN... says by Eric and by James. There are lots of typos, guess two weren't enough. Press release:
On the Eve of the CNN Insider blowing the whistle on his own network…
by Eric Spracklen October 12, 2019 in News Posts / Top Stories
By James O’Keefe

“It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.” – Samuel Adams.

This week, a CNN insider will blow the whistle and through Project Veritas will release dozens of recordings made of officials at the highest levels of CNN, revealing a political agenda, bias and misconduct hidden from public view. This series of tapes — which we think will be the biggest story of the year for Project Veritas — blends two extraordinary series of events; a brave insider secretly recording at work. This is a hard-hitting piece of hidden camera muckraking into one of the supposed “most trusted names in news.” A major aspect of this story is the heroic actions of an insider.

By far, the most often asked question (and most important) is “What can I do?” There is a new genre of answer—you can wear a hidden camera and blow the whistle on your employer through Project Veritas. This new movement, which we are calling “Be Brave. Do Something” is enabling citizens to become catalysts for reform. It is the modern incarnation of what Jack Anderson once described as “the sirens of Greek mythology, who, by their seductive singing, enticed unknowing wayfarers to abandon the cramped boredom of safe passage for a hazardous try at strange excitements and gratifications.”

If Project Veritas is the siren, the wayfarers this year have included two Google employees, a Facebook subcontractor and a Pinterest engineer who gave up their salaries and careers for the public’s right to know. We’ve had the privilege to entice these angels, knowing full well an army of grateful citizens are behind them. Project Veritas supporters have their backs no matter what as long as they stand up for what is true and important for the public to know. “This was an act of atonement. An attempt to make my conscience clear,” said Zach Vorhies, who leaked us the “Algorithmic Unfairness’ document inside Google. “Are we going to just let the biggest tech companies decide who wins every election from now on?” said Greg Coppola, who lost his job inside Google speaking out. “I felt the public had a right to know,” said the Facebook insider who was fired for taking screenshots of them “Deboosting” videos for political reasons. “For me there was no other option. I could go through the comforts of life, but what are we saving our ammo for,” said Eric Cochran, the Pinterest engineer, who was escorted out the building. “They can stop one man, but they can’t stop all of us.

And so it was destiny that the CNN wayfarer met me in the Spring by a happenstance, inspired by the actions of the others who came before him, I received a simple answer as to why: “I started at CNN with a dream to work in media, but my dream had become a nightmare,” With that, a hidden camera began to record…well…everything. In our current media landscape, people are famous figures for notoriety. Celebrity is a big name. Hero is a big man. So there is a new breed of heroes – the sort that Daniel Boorstin spoke about in his book The Image: “In our world of big names, our true heroes tend to be anonymous. In this life of illusion and quasi-illusion, the person of solid virtues who can be admired for something more substantial than his well-knowness often proves to be the unsung hero: the teacher, the nurse, the mother, the honest cop, the hard worker at lonely, underpaid, unglamorous, unpublicized jobs. “These anonymous heroes become part of the Veritas army.”

And then there is the act of investigating the media itself. Critics and political marketing industry operatives will rush to condemn this series of tapes with broad platitudes on how any efforts are “anti-journalist.” We’ve heard “The truth is more important than ever,” “Democracy Dies in Darkness,” and so forth. But behind the veneer of “holier than thou” sanctimonious attitudes are some ugly truths about the 4th estate. But they are not new gathering. And our press isn’t truly free. In fact, based upon what the people in these tapes say, it’s no longer even doing legitimate news gathering. The media has become an industrial system of production that manufactures consent. This is true whether said by Noam Chomsky, James O’Keefe, or Glenn Greenwald. Political implications aside, the media has become an organ of propaganda that is only about commercialism, clicks, ratings, power and influence and political advocacy. All the while, the press evades scrutiny by appealing to rights afforded by the 1st amendment, while adhering to none the accompanying duties.

Big Tech and Big Media Corporations have more power than all three branches of government, but who holds them accountable? Who watches the watchmen? And why is it so important somebody holds them to account? Because doing their jobs is required in a Democracy. The public’s right to know make all other rights in our society possible, because our government exists with the consent of the governed, and this consent must be informed. People will make their own decisions when they are properly informed. Real journalism shouldn’t only be discourse, moral judgments, and conclusions. It shouldn’t have to engage in relentless speculation, punditry and stenography, opining to the masses. It should not abuse participation in advocacy work for anonymous leakers where sources in government get to set the agenda. Investigative reporters (the real ones) have the duty to go beyond what somebody wants us to publish. What journalists ought to do is simply engage in the empirical method — to a degree so real — that the resulting truths transfix and anesthetize. When people are able to see what is happening, it becomes more real. We show that transgressions are in fact transgressions. The way to achieve proper reforms is to precisely capture reality.

On the Economic side, there is no question that much of corruption is due to economic pressures. Real truth finding often is a loss-leader in any business sense, and that’s why it is almost completely extinct from commercial news gathering. Being “the tip of the spear” often puts us in an exposed position where the results of our work reverberates into embarrassment, resignations, deeply penetrates the fabric of people’s lives and violates social boundaries. That means litigation, retaliation and economic pressures. “Many of the large media companies are fully integrated into the market, and for the others, too. The pressures of stockholders, directors, and bankers to focus on the bottom line are powerful.”

The first step towards reforming the system is accurately reporting reality that shakes people awake with moral indignation. But in the digital era, with streaming visuals, hard to refute, we’re able to cut through propaganda like a hot knife through butter, trusting the power of free people to make the best policy decisions if they are equipped with the truth. We break down the barrier between the realms of how public officials behave in public and private, and therefore tackle the great lie. It seems like most of the people who are supposed to govern are busy staring into a TV camera. As paraphrase as it was once said, one cameraman has more power than us senators. They are protected from any public scrutiny. They demonstrate Sanctimonious, holier-than-thou smugness. Journalists are no longer about public service, and in private, they will change the subject if you talk about democracy dying in darkness. It’s really about commercialism, clicks, ratings, power and influence.

It’s not just politicians who kowtow to the cable news order and to the power it yields, it’s the wealthiest man in the world saying that his most proud accomplishment was purchasing his woke, clickbait farm. Jeff Bezos wrote on the Medium: “Even though The Post is a complexifier for me, I do not at all regret my investment. The Post is a critical institution with a critical mission. My stewardship of The Post and my support of its mission, which will remain unswerving, is something I will be most proud of.” This man who has built the most powerful company on earth is most proud of the fact he bought a newspaper which isn’t going to earn him any money. But make no mistake: for Bezos, this isn’t about informing the masses, it’s about power and influence. So, in a country governed by public opinion, and where public opinion is largely governed by the press, isn’t it critical to understand what governs the press? And this is why Project Veritas will be exposing CNN this week.
https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/10/ ... n-network/

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Post by Suranis » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:05 am

Wow, I've seen less masturbation in hardcore porn. So much text, saying absolutely nothing.

What it will probably is is a load of people saying Trump is a jackass which will be edited to look bad but will have fuck all substantive behind it. You know, a Project Veritas Video.
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Post by Dolly » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:00 pm

Good riddance: The last gasp of Baby Boomer politics
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Along with politics, their influence over media has been profound, turning a once-sober news landscape into a wrestling arena filled with ideologically-driven commentary.

It began from a place anyone could understand. The 1960s presented young people with constant challenges to American ideals: attacks on civil rights, traumatic political assassinations, the war in Vietnam and government lies that allowed that war to continue. Out of that shock to the system emerged the “underground press.” This movement informed a generation that mainstream media couldn’t be trusted, journalistic objectivity was a farce, and factual truth was less important than a “deeper truth.”
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In the 1970s, the right began to establish its own forms of alternative media, mostly restrained opinion journals published by newly funded conservative think-tanks. That changed in 1987 when, in the waning years of President Ronald Reagan’s second term, his Federal Communications Commission did away with something that had been around since 1949 — the Fairness Doctrine. In essence, this regulation required broadcasters to air both sides of any political issue, a sort of enforced objectivity.

By this time, Boomers left and right had waged a long struggle against the notion of down-the-middle objective reporting — and they were ready for the Fairness Doctrine’s finale. The right jumped in first, initially with talk radio and hosts like Rush Limbaugh, and then, in 1996, with the creation of Fox News.

MSNBC was launched that same year as a just-the-facts news channel, but executives quickly realized Boomers and facts weren’t a good match. The service tacked right to copy Fox, then found its footing as a left-wing antidote.
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Post by p0rtia » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:23 pm

Thank you, Dolly :bighug:

From the above:
Still, there is a hunger for something different; younger consumers are smarter about media overall, and can more easily sort out facts from commentary. In one research project, students surveyed defined news as the “objective reporting of facts,” a phrase that would make Walter Cronkite weep with joy.

There are signs that things actually may get better. All it takes is for a certain generation to grow up — or step out of the way.
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Post by RoadScholar » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:15 am

Shame on CNN for showing bias... they should be more fair and balanced, like Fox “News,” right? :rotflmao:
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Post by voxpopuluxe » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:13 pm

Identifying her only as a "freelance writer," the NYT gives former Pence/Heritage/National Review staffer, Ericka Anderson, a column to stump for Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang and to beg Democrats to be more like Republicans.

Why Are Democrats Jilting G.O.P. Voters Who Want to Like Them?

The whole thing is a goddamn parody—concluding with "But with both women {Gabbard and Klobuchar] currently polling at about 1 or 2 percent, their chances of facing off with Mr. Trump next November are slim. Front-runners would be wise to steal from their playbooks." Why it would be wise for a front-runner to steal from the playbooks of candidates running at 1 or 2 percent, Ms. Anderson does not explain.

The NYT's choice to run a piece which is nothing more than convoluted propaganda exhibts exactly what's wrong with the institution.
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